Does "LAW" matter?

[Ac28]

Since the Law pertains only to Israel and since Israel hasn't existed since 63AD, there is no law today. The present 2000 year all-Gentile period we're living in is a period of Pure Grace, for the first time in history. This period is a parenthesis for Israel - like it didn't happen. The purpose of this period is to fill Heaven with Gentile Saints. No one is in heaven yet, except Christ (Jn 3:13), but there will be at the resurrection. Since all Biblical prophecy is of Israel and, since there is no Israel, no prophecy is being fulfilled during this period. It will soon be over, though (my guess is 2063). Israel will then be back on the scene and prophecy will again be fulfilled.

 

[Truth]

Since the Law pertains only to Israel and since Israel hasn't existed since 63AD, there is no law today. The present 2000 year all-Gentile period we're living in is a period of Pure Grace, for the first time in history. This period is a parenthesis for Israel - like it didn't happen. The purpose of this period is to fill Heaven with Gentile Saints. No one is in heaven yet, except Christ (Jn 3:13), but there will be at the resurrection. Since all Biblical prophecy is of Israel and, since there is no Israel, no prophecy is being fulfilled during this period. It will soon be over, though (my guess is 2063). Israel will then be back on the scene and prophecy will again be fulfilled.

WELL!!!!!!!!!! with the exception of the LAW about Homosexual's and the LAW about paying Tithes, are these not LAWS from the OT, if you keep one of them you must keep them all, Thank you for the song!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Ac28]

WELL!!!!!!!!!! with the exception of the LAW about Homosexual's and the LAW about paying Tithes, are these not LAWS from the OT, if you keep one of them you must keep them all, Thank you for the song!!!!!!!!!!

That was a strange post. Those aren't Laws. The only Law in the Bible is the one covered in the Pentetuch that Israel will have to keep forever, once they get back in action in about 45 more years. The Gentiles have NEVER been under any portion of the Law of Moses.

The homosexual thing is a sin, of course, but a law - no way.

Surely you don't believe that tithing ever had anything to do with Gentiles. It was used in the OT to support the Levitical Priesthood. Don't tell me you've been suckered into paying tithes by a lying, greedy, crooked preacher. The huge lie about tithing is the primary lie that puts crooked charismatic preachers in mansions and buys them airplanes.

No where in the Bible does it even hint that Gentiles were ever under ANY sort of law.

 

[Truth]

That was a strange post. Those aren't Laws. The only Law in the Bible is the one covered in the Pentetuch that Israel will have to keep forever, once they get back in action in about 45 more years. The Gentiles have NEVER been under any portion of the Law of Moses.

The homosexual thing is a sin, of course, but a law - no way.

Surely you don't believe that tithing ever had anything to do with Gentiles. It was used in the OT to support the Levitical Priesthood. Don't tell me you've been suckered into paying tithes by a lying, greedy, crooked preacher. The huge lie about tithing is the primary lie that puts crooked charismatic preachers in mansions and buys them airplanes.

No where in the Bible does it even hint that Gentiles were ever under ANY sort of law.

I do Agree with your take on tithing, But if Homosexuality is a Sin then it is a transgression of the Law. Anyway I was expressing the very fact that today's church's do use these two! from the OT, Man shall not lye with man as like a woman, sounds pretty imperative, kinda like thou shall not!
I never claim to be right, I only refer to what I read!

 

[Enoch111]

Orthodoxy says "The Law" (however you consider it) does not apply today, at all.

Which orthodoxy are you referring to? Antinominianism is the opposite of orthodoxy.

 

[Enoch111]

That said...I do not believe that there are ANY laws that apply to the Believer ..except...LOVE .

Did you fail to read and study Acts 15?

28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; [OUT OF THE LAW OF MOSES]

29 That [1] ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and [2] from blood, and [3] from things strangled, and [4] from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

 

[Ac28]

Did you fail to read and study Acts 15?

28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; [OUT OF THE LAW OF MOSES]

29 That [1] ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and [2] from blood, and [3] from things strangled, and [4] from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

All of that ended 1955 years ago in Ac 28:28, 63AD. Nothing that happened in Acts applies directly to any Gentile today. The Acts church was all-Israel because all the Gentiles were grafted in to Israel and were, therefore, part of Israel. That's all different today. Israel ceased to exist in God's eyes in about 63AD, along with everything associated with Israel. The all-Gentile church today, found only in Paul's 7 epistles written after Acts, has no ordinances. Those 4 ordinances imposed on the Gentiles in Ac 15 were just to appease the Jews. Since the ONLY purpose of Acts was to get Israel to accept Christ, no one wanted to upset them.
Col 2:20 and several other verses
"Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances"

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Since the Law pertains only to Israel and since Israel hasn't existed since 63AD, there is no law today. The present 2000 year all-Gentile period we're living in is a period of Pure Grace, for the first time in history. This period is a parenthesis for Israel - like it didn't happen. The purpose of this period is to fill Heaven with Gentile Saints. No one is in heaven yet, except Christ (Jn 3:13), but there will be at the resurrection. Since all Biblical prophecy is of Israel and, since there is no Israel, no prophecy is being fulfilled during this period. It will soon be over, though (my guess is 2063). Israel will then be back on the scene and prophecy will again be fulfilled.

Fact of the matter is that Jesus took up Holy Moses into Heaven and others?
Fact is that Jesus Christ is the King of Israel !!! True Christianity is Israel !

How can the State that duped the world to believe it is Israel, by using this Name ?
The true devout Jews of the OT reject that the State is Israel in fact, only the fools believe it is Israel, now the fact is true devout Jews reject Jesus just like any other atheist does, but they do believe in Holy Moses, they do not know God and they are not Israel and the true devout Jews who follow Holy Moses know this for a fact. just like they did 2000years ago, but there was a Jew called Nathanial who was a true Israel ! in fact as Jesus in fact said this was so and why it was so and fact of the matter was that Nathaniel knew who Jesus Christ was directly.

Fact is that anyone who is a true Israel knows who Jesus Christ is in fact, it's been that way for 2000 years.

We Christians are under Grace, there is no Grace without Jesus Christ at the head of you or a Nation that is under Christ Jesus.

We are being led by Satan the one who leads the whole world astray now to believe just total BS, rubbish of idolising Anti-Christ Jews ! Idolising so called Jews, Idolising Zionist Nazis and the one thing in all such nonsense is that all such filth reject Jesus Christ for a fact ! totally !!!
The Jews are Lost and have been for 2000years, to go bact to them is like a dog that goes bact to it's own vomit.
The Jews were kicked out of the Land by God, they rejected his Son Jesus Christ, but not all Jews rejected him, now who do you think they are ? Jewish Christians !!! they were the first Christians and the fact is when Jesus went up to Heaven all people are nether Jews or Greeks etc etc, it's madness to claim one is a Jew by Race because they were never a race to begin with, they were a Tribe of Semitic people just like the Arab people are and the fact is that race has nothing to do with any religion as it's foundation, it's the Spirit that guides them and Israel did not want others entering into their flock because of others bringing in their stupid Idols into the flock, because that would only work to destroy Gods people.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

All of that ended 1955 years ago in Ac 28:28, 63AD. Nothing that happened in Acts applies directly to any Gentile today. The Acts church was all-Israel because all the Gentiles were grafted in to Israel and were, therefore, part of Israel. That's all different today. Israel ceased to exist in God's eyes in about 63AD, along with everything associated with Israel. The all-Gentile church today, found only in Paul's 7 epistles written after Acts, has no ordinances. Those 4 ordinances imposed on the Gentiles in Ac 15 were just to appease the Jews. Since the ONLY purpose of Acts was to get Israel to accept Christ, no one wanted to upset them.
Col 2:20 and several other verses
"Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances"

Mans works religion !
No one is worthy but them in Christ Jesus ever.
To reject Jesus Christ is of Satan the one who leads the whole world astray, the Jews have nothing but mans works.

What Satanist are trying to do is make us all go back to vomit like a dog and that's all you are if you look to the Jews, they are the blind leading to blind who in fact reject God !

 

[Truth]

Did you fail to read and study Acts 15?

28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; [OUT OF THE LAW OF MOSES]

29 That [1] ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and [2] from blood, and [3] from things strangled, and [4] from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

I just read your post # 207, So what is your take on the verse's in purple, And verse 21 in acts 15, which is the end of the exhortation about what is in purple, 21- For Moses has throughout Many Generation's those who Preach Him [Moses] in every City, Being read in the Synagogues every Sabbath. what is your take on verse 21??

 

[Enoch111]

For Moses has throughout Many Generation's those who Preach Him [Moses] in every City, Being read in the Synagogues every Sabbath. what is your take on verse 21??

In order to understand what is being said in v 21, we need to go back to v 5: But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

After the outpouring of the Holy Spirit on the day of Pentecost (Acts 2), thousands of Jews believed on the Lord Jesus Christ and were saved by grace through faith. Among them were many Pharisees, and out of those Pharisees there were some die-hard Jews who felt that even though they were saved by grace, it was necessary for Gentiles (who were saved by grace) to also "keep the Law of Moses" (which would include circumcision for all Gentile believers, and keeping all the commandments in the Old Covenant).

The apostles knew that (1) Torah observance was being taught in the Jewish synagogues every sabbath and (2) even those who were Torah observant Jews could not keep the Law perfectly. So Peter said this (v 10): Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

Then James added (v 21):For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

What was James saying? That it was the unbelieving Jews who have "Moses" (the Torah) being preached and taught in the synagogues. But we are the Christian church in Jerusalem, therefore we do not follow the preaching of Moses. We preach Christ, and Him crucified.

Therefore we (the apostles, the elders, and all of the assembly in Jerusalem) say to the Gentiles in all the churches, "You are not bound to be circumcised or keep the whole Law of Moses. The only commandments from the Old Covenant are as follows..." (verses 29 and 30).

As I indicated in another post, weekly sabbath observance was excluded from these four commandments, since the Christian churches would be observing the Lord's Day (the first day of the week) as the Christian sabbath.

 

[Truth]

In order to understand what is being said in v 21, we need to go back to v 5: But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

After the outpouring of the Holy Spirit on the day of Pentecost (Acts 2), thousands of Jews believed on the Lord Jesus Christ and were saved by grace through faith. Among them were many Pharisees, and out of those Pharisees there were some die-hard Jews who felt that even though they were saved by grace, it was necessary for Gentiles (who were saved by grace) to also "keep the Law of Moses" (which would include circumcision for all Gentile believers, and keeping all the commandments in the Old Covenant).

The apostles knew that (1) Torah observance was being taught in the Jewish synagogues every sabbath and (2) even those who were Torah observant Jews could not keep the Law perfectly. So Peter said this (v 10): Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

Then James added (v 21):For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

What was James saying? That it was the unbelieving Jews who have "Moses" (the Torah) being preached and taught in the synagogues. But we are the Christian church in Jerusalem, therefore we do not follow the preaching of Moses. We preach Christ, and Him crucified.

Therefore we (the apostles, the elders, and all of the assembly in Jerusalem) say to the Gentiles in all the churches, "You are not bound to be circumcised or keep the whole Law of Moses. The only commandments from the Old Covenant are as follows..." (verses 29 and 30).

As I indicated in another post, weekly sabbath observance was excluded from these four commandments, since the Christian churches would be observing the Lord's Day (the first day of the week) as the Christian sabbath.

Thank You for Your response, I was just Curious Because you placed Out of the Law of Moses in Brackets !!!

 

[Truth]

In order to understand what is being said in v 21, we need to go back to v 5: But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

After the outpouring of the Holy Spirit on the day of Pentecost (Acts 2), thousands of Jews believed on the Lord Jesus Christ and were saved by grace through faith. Among them were many Pharisees, and out of those Pharisees there were some die-hard Jews who felt that even though they were saved by grace, it was necessary for Gentiles (who were saved by grace) to also "keep the Law of Moses" (which would include circumcision for all Gentile believers, and keeping all the commandments in the Old Covenant).

The apostles knew that (1) Torah observance was being taught in the Jewish synagogues every sabbath and (2) even those who were Torah observant Jews could not keep the Law perfectly. So Peter said this (v 10): Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

Then James added (v 21):For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

What was James saying? That it was the unbelieving Jews who have "Moses" (the Torah) being preached and taught in the synagogues. But we are the Christian church in Jerusalem, therefore we do not follow the preaching of Moses. We preach Christ, and Him crucified.

Therefore we (the apostles, the elders, and all of the assembly in Jerusalem) say to the Gentiles in all the churches, "You are not bound to be circumcised or keep the whole Law of Moses. The only commandments from the Old Covenant are as follows..." (verses 29 and 30).

As I indicated in another post, weekly sabbath observance was excluded from these four commandments, since the Christian churches would be observing the Lord's Day (the first day of the week) as the Christian sabbath.

Please do not be offended OK, Are you aware of the Man Made Religion of the Pharisees, Do you understand that the Pharisees were no longer teaching Moses, But A Man made religion, filled with Commandment's which they the Pharisees made up! From 300 years before the Birth of Our Savior, up to this Present Day, they claim to have a different Torah, the Oral Torah, most Jew's no longer follow Moses, they are Talmudist. Which is the writings of the then Pharisees, and now Rabbi's called Orthodox Judaism.

 

[Helen]

Good one! I did not know that.

 

[Truth]

Good one! I did not know that.

Well now when you read the Gospels, and Our Savior is in Dispute with the religious Leader's, you will see why He was Rebuking them!
This is why they wanted to Kill Him, He was tearing down their false religion, and destroying their profit margin

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Please do not be offended OK, Are you aware of the Man Made Religion of the Pharisees, Do you understand that the Pharisees were no longer teaching Moses, But A Man made religion, filled with Commandment's which they the Pharisees made up! From 300 years before the Birth of Our Savior, up to this Present Day, they claim to have a different Torah, the Oral Torah, most Jew's no longer follow Moses, they are Talmudist. Which is the writings of the then Pharisees, and now Rabbi's called Orthodox Judaism.

That's the thing, when one calls something Orthodox ?
I would not call one calling him self a Jew who is a Zionist Orthodox and I would not call a Jew that supports the Talmud Orthodox at all, because they are not truly real Jews in the first place, If one rejects Holy Moses they are out of line.
Zionist and Talmud are not truly Jewish at all, they are not Holy, they are worldly ego driven mad men of Satan who are leading the whole world astray and they are not of Holy Moses at all in fact.
Holy Moses was against Slavery and brought the people out of Slavery, the Talmud is about Slavery and treating people like crap using them for their own ends, not to mention reject Jesus Christ totally and try to undermine him in everyway they can, they have been working this Satanic way of deceiving for years creeping into our Governments the Media and School education, slowly but surely bit by bit as the years go on, they have been trying to undermine the USA constitution for years and they would of done so by now if Trump did not win. they are communist and as any Christian should know is that Satanist were the creators of Communism, there was 80% Jews who controlled the Communist Russian government at it's beginning.

 

[Truth]

That's the thing, when one calls something Orthodox ?
I would not call one calling him self a Jew who is a Zionist Orthodox and I would not call a Jew that supports the Talmud Orthodox at all, because they are not truly real Jews in the first place, If one rejects Holy Moses they are out of line.
Zionist and Talmud are not truly Jewish at all, they are not Holy, they are worldly ego driven mad men of Satan who are leading the whole world astray and they are not of Holy Moses at all in fact.
Holy Moses was against Slavery and brought the people out of Slavery, the Talmud is about Slavery and treating people like crap using them for their own ends, not to mention reject Jesus Christ totally and try to undermine him in everyway they can, they have been working this Satanic way of deceiving for years creeping into our Governments the Media and School education, slowly but surely bit by bit as the years go on, they have been trying to undermine the USA constitution for years and they would of done so by now if Trump did not win. they are communist and as any Christian should know is that Satanist were the creators of Communism, there was 80% Jews who controlled the Communist Russian government at it's beginning.

PLEASE I WOULD RATHER NOT READ ANY RESPONSE FROM YOU, I HAVE READ MANY OF YOUR REPLY'S ON DIFFERENT THREADS AND AT THIS TIME I BELIEVE THAT YOU ARE JUST SPEWING HATE FOR ANYONE THAT CLAIM'S TO BE A JEW. HATE ONLY DESTROY'S THE ONE WHO CARRIES IT!--- ACCORDING TO ALMOST EVERYONE ON THIS FORUM, LOVE IS THE ESTABLISHED ATTRIBUTE OF OUR SAVIOR. [MAY YOU FIND PEACE]

 

[Helen]

Well now when you read the Gospels, and Our Savior is in Dispute with the religious Leader's, you will see why He was Rebuking them!
This is why they wanted to Kill Him, He was tearing down their false religion, and destroying their profit margin

Well, less and less do I feel to come on to this Site anymore. I find very little uplifting or inspiring ...but this post of your made me happy that I had bothered to come on here and read some of the posts.

Thank you.

 

[Truth]

Well, less and less do I feel to come on to this Site anymore. I find very little uplifting or inspiring ...but this post of your made me happy that I had bothered to come on here and read some of the posts.

Thank you.

There You Go Again! I read your first sentence and I thought I had offended You, You Scared Me,LOL WoW. I am Pleased after reading the rest, I do try hard not to be offensive, Be Blessed and Thank You!!!!!!!!!

 

[brakelite]

I think many who reject the law are going to have a problem because the final church, the remnant people of God immediately prior to Jesus' return, are described as "those who keep the commandments of God". (Revelation 12:17;14:12) The vast majority, those in 'Babylon', who accept the mark are set in contrast to the church in that they are commandment breakers...those who teach as doctrines and keep the commandments of men. Too many Christians today fail to see the connection, the living vital union that exists between the law and the love of God, His character. You cannot dispense with one without destroying the other. You cannot receive Christ without receiving His laws. You can't differentiate between God's law and God's commandments. You cannot be changed into the image of Christ without being made conformable to the very same laws He obeyed.
Christians who reject the laws of God are like those in Israel who would seek to escape Egypt but bypass Sinai.
Those of you who reject the law and claim that love is its replacement, fail to recognise that the law is love codified. You cannot have one without the other.