Drawing the wrong conclusions

[Jay Ross]

Oh my.... :

But sadly, you will not see the truth of that statement.

 

[Episkopos]

But sadly, you will not see the truth of that statement.

That's what's sad...there's no truth in your understanding of this. And you are unteachable as well. Which seals the deal.

 

[Jay Ross]

That's what's sad...there's no truth in your understanding of this. And you are unteachable as well. Which seals the deal.

So be it. I know that my fate is God's prerogative based on my what I have/will have done. Your fate is sealed by your own words of condemnation.

You have claimed to be a teacher of the truth, but for me, I find misunderstanding in your words.

Jesus also said not to call down death and destruction upon the likes of you and your followers. So I will watch and leave you alone knowing that my words of correction are being ignored and return to offering up my praises to God.

Good day them.

 

[Episkopos]

So be it. I know that my fate is God's prerogative based on my what I have/will have done. Your fate is sealed by your own words of condemnation.

You have claimed to be a teacher of the truth, but for me, I find misunderstanding in your words.

Jesus also said not to call down death and destruction upon the likes of you and your followers. So I will watch and leave you alone knowing that my words of correction are being ignored and return to offering up my praises to God.

Good day them.

Such drama...very sad. If you have nothing to contribute to the thread but self-justification...then it's more sadness.

 

[Episkopos]

Maybe one of the nay-sayers on this thread could start their own thread...like... How I always get things right....or...how all Christians are always right...even though no two people agree. :)

 

[CoreIssue]

Maybe one of the nay-sayers on this thread could start their own thread...like... How I always get things right....or...how all Christians are always right...even though no two people agree. :)

As I said before, you do not own the thread.

 

[Jay Ross]

Such drama...very sad. If you have nothing to contribute to the thread but self-justification...then it's more sadness.

These are your words that I will use about you: -

"That's what's sad...there's no truth in your understanding of this. And you are unteachable as well. Which seals the deal."

Your justification is that I am unteachable which implies that only you have the right knowledge to teach and pontificate on.

I initially provided my reasoning as to why your understanding was flawed, but all you have done is attempted to blow my arguments out of the water with no scriptural rational or justification to support your views as being right other than to say that I am unteachable because I have dared to suggest that your rational is flawed and based on drawing the wrong conclusions.

So be it.

Good day sir.

 

[Episkopos]

These are your words that I will use about you: -

"That's what's sad...there's no truth in your understanding of this. And you are unteachable as well. Which seals the deal."

Your justification is that I am unteachable which implies that only you have the right knowledge to teach and pontificate on.

I initially provided my reasoning as to why your understanding was flawed, but all you have done is attempted to blow my arguments out of the water with no scriptural rational or justification to support your views as being right other than to say that I am unteachable because I have dared to suggest that your rational is flawed and based on drawing the wrong conclusions.

So be it.

Good day sir.

I have tried speaking with you before. Are you not the one that says that Jesus taught parables about Satan's kingdom?

 

[Jay Ross]

I have tried speaking with you before. Are you not the one that says that Jesus taught parables about Satan's kingdom?

That is because you have the wrong understanding of both of the Parable of the Pound and the parable of the Talents and who Jesus was referring to in both of these parable.

Both of these parables is about what it will be like when the Everlasting Kingdom of God is established here on the earth.

In these two similar parables, Jesus is teaching what Satan will put in place while he is locked up in the Bottomless pit so that there will be an opposition to the Everlasting Kingdom by his "Good and Faithful Servants," through their oppression of the people using "money" as their means to do so.

The claim that I was saying that Jesus taught parables about Satan's kingdom, are your words of accusation against me as that was not what I was stating in that particular exchange between us.

For those with understanding, they already know that these two parables condemn your understanding, because they Know that Jesus has every right to the harvest where as the lead character in these two parable acknowledges that he has no right to the gains of the harvest, but that he wants it anyway.

That does not sound like Jesus to me, which is who you want to have the lead role in these parables.

The title of this thread is perfectly pitched to what you are doing: - Drawing the wrong conclusions.

Have a good day, now you hear me.

 

[amadeus]

We are a body...and members one of another. :)

And there is only One Head of the Body of Christ and it is NOT any one of those irregular globes of flesh and bone sitting on top of any of the bodies of flesh and bone which house us for the moment. With the Baptist, we need to lose our old head and have it replaced with the new One, which is Jesus!

 

[amadeus]

Maybe one of the nay-sayers on this thread could start their own thread...like... How I always get things right....or...how all Christians are always right...even though no two people agree. :)

"Two are better than one; because they have a good reward for their labour.
For if they fall, the one will lift up his fellow: but woe to him that is alone when he falleth; for he hath not another to help him up.
Again, if two lie together, then they have heat: but how can one be warm alone?
And if one prevail against him, two shall withstand him; and a threefold cord is not quickly broken." Ecc 4:9-12

Then again there is a unity that is NOT a unity with God and His Son... and from thence comes the confusion known as Babel:

"And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.
Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.
So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.
Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth." Gen 11:6-9

But Jesus prayed in this way:

"Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me." John 17:20-23

 

[amadeus]

We do the same thing with the bible. We purchase a bible...or get a free copy...and then proceed to do the same thing with it. Anything that we deem we want within it's pages...we claim for ourselves.

When we find that the grace of God is given freely...we immediately claim the free stuff for ourselves. After all, it is OUR bible, and anything that we want in it is ours for the taking.

So we bring the same covetous attitude to the bible that we use in the world...to get what WE want.

How can this not be a recipe for disaster? Is God playing to our covetousness? Is He being a salesman and wanting to increase church membership?

So we make a god in our own selfish image. What we do...we expect God to do. We ignore the fact that God is fully other...completely different from us. His ways are far above our own.
Yet we don't allow for a change of carnal reasoning in regards to eternal truth. We forget the the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. Instead we build on that faulty selfish reasoning thus drawing all the wrong conclusions to what we are reading in the bible.

Few can just read what the bible is saying in it's own context. Few can receive the truth.

And lo and behold with our foolish ignorance leading us the miraculous healing glory of the brazen serpent of Numbers 21:8-9, which all of the written scriptures could and should be, becomes rather the Nehushtan of II Kings 18:4

 

[Jay Ross]

Without understanding the kingdom of God, the bible remains a huge enigma. But once you understand the rankings in the kingdom...the saints who rule over the righteous who are over the filthy....then everything falls into place very neatly.

The understanding of Episkopos here I cannot find in the scriptures to agree with what he has written.

Perhaps, I have missed the verse(s) were it is found but I doubt it.

Perhaps Episkopos can present the scriptural verses which supports his statement made bold above.

Shalom to those who are righteous.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Without understanding the kingdom of God, the bible remains a huge enigma. But once you understand the rankings in the kingdom...the saints who rule over the righteous who are over the filthy....then everything falls into place very neatly.

Sad thing is people actually believe it. “The saints who rule over the righteous who rule over the filthy.” “Ranking in the kingdom”.

1)Isaiah 52:1
[1] Awake, awake; put on thy strength, O Zion; put on thy beautiful garments, O Jerusalem, the holy city: for henceforth there shall no more come into thee the uncircumcised and the unclean.

2) your term “filth”. Of course you are not considered anywhere near the “filth”.

3) Matthew 5:43-48 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. [44] But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; [45] That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. [46] For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? [47] And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others ? do not even the publicans so? [48] Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

4) it promotes vanity. Upper class, middle class and lower class.

 

[bbyrd009]

Ya, that part seems off

Another huge error is in the false conclusion of being "saved" as a status. A cursory bible study on this subject shows that salvation is mainly about being delivered in our daily troubles. Salvation is deliverance.

Jesus said...deliver (save) us from evil. THAT is the salvation that is mostly confirmed in the bible.

There is a passage where Paul says..."all who remain in the ship will be saved". Now with the wrong conclusions so prevalent in today's church...why is there no sect that believes in living aboard a ship for salvation? It is the same reasoning as they use for their religious "assurances."

good one

 

[bbyrd009]

You are simply denying the truth to support an armchair opinion that you use to justify yourself. And you hate any kind of truth that challenges those smug assumptions.

You deny any knowledge of God that does not pass through your mind first. Limiting God? Oh my...

You have no fear of the Lord...whereas you should be trembling right now...

Where is the wisdom?

I gotta admit I'm not quite getting the rejection of gnosis there in the same breath with "one needs deeper understanding?"
What?

 

[bbyrd009]

OSAS as Clearly declared in Romans 8.

Oh, now I do, ok.

 

[Episkopos]

Sad thing is people actually believe it. “The saints who rule over the righteous who rule over the filthy.” “Ranking in the kingdom”.

1)Isaiah 52:1
[1] Awake, awake; put on thy strength, O Zion; put on thy beautiful garments, O Jerusalem, the holy city: for henceforth there shall no more come into thee the uncircumcised and the unclean.

2) your term “filth”. Of course you are not considered anywhere near the “filth”.

3) Matthew 5:43-48 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. [44] But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; [45] That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. [46] For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? [47] And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others ? do not even the publicans so? [48] Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

4) it promotes vanity. Upper class, middle class and lower class.

People have been believing the words from God for a long time now. Your railings are against God's kingdom order and are are done in ignorance. May the Lord forgive you that ignorance and open your mind.

The rankings of the kingdom are for the next age. In a great house are vessels of honour AND vessels of dishonour.

It is advisable to...

1. Study the bible

2. Pray about things

If the Lord helps you, I am confident that you will come to the same conclusions as I have stated.

 

[Episkopos]

I gotta admit I'm not quite getting the rejection of gnosis there in the same breath with "one needs deeper understanding?"
What?

Epignosis as actual understanding according to knowledge. Gnosticism is about a saving knowledge....but without any reality or change in behaviour...IOW it is the flesh having secret knowledge. Having a faith WITHOUT the miraculous works.

 

[Episkopos]

The understanding of Episkopos here I cannot find in the scriptures to agree with what he has written.

Perhaps, I have missed the verse(s) were it is found but I doubt it.

Perhaps Episkopos can present the scriptural verses which supports his statement made bold above.

Shalom to those who are righteous.

Read Rev. 22:11. These are the 4 destinies of mankind...Jesus states them. The bible testifies to these at all times if you know how to understand prophetic things. For example the first time these 4 paths are stated is in Genesis 2....the 4 rivers.

And there are many others like it that deepen the understanding for the seeker of God.

But the bible also says there are none that seek Me.

People are happy to make up their own dogmas...ones that seem to their own benefit.


I don't seem to have started a thread on the actual subject... not on this site.