Drinking Alcohol, should a Christian do it?

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Nice try .......for the uniformed.

Mathew 25, says you are wrong. Three servants trusted with money. When the owner returns home .....Two have produced and gained money. Each rewarded but one. One buried the money in the sand and returned exactly what was given him ....He was driven from the property.

Some of your examples from the Old Testament ......this one from the New Testament. Who is right?

I have turned four failing Corporations around. My success led to people being paid more while business expanded. Increased employment and increased business. I enjoyed the fruits of my labor as well.

Your list reads like a "How to fail in business venture."

How do you provide for those in need if you can't succeed yourself ?

Careful trying to slice and dice the Bible to fit your cause ....
Donald? Is that youuuuuu? :hearteyes:
 

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As a person who knows the Bible fairly well, my traits of darkness


Those that have been born again are new creatures in Christ, old things are passed away behold all things are now and of God. (2 Corinthians 5:17)

I got born again and have no "traits of darkness" according to God's Word.



Anyone who says they do not sin, makes God out to be a liar


We all have sinned in the past, but once we get born again we should not be doing sinful things according God's Word.

1 John 3:6
Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not




Then the passage would have read, Jesus turned water into grape juice. It did not state that.
Jesus turned water into wine.


And, you cannot prove the wine He made was fermented wine.



No, he doesn't.


Maybe He doesn't love you

John 3:16 says He loved the whole world, but apparently you think He loves you but rejects others.

That's definitely in error.



Post book, chapter and verse that proves your claim


1 Corinthians 6:9,10
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.


Biblical definition of "drunkards"

G3183 - methusos -- pronounced: meth'-oo-sos
from 3184; tipsy, i.e. (as noun) a sot: KJV -- drunkard.
See Greek No. 3184 <G3184>

G3184 - methuo -- pronounced: meth-oo'-o
from another form of 3178; to drink to intoxication, i.e. get drunk: KJV -- drink well, make (be) drunk(-en).
See Greek No. 3178 <G3178>

Those that drink alcohol are engaging in the appearance of evil even if not
getting drunk, and they are being friendly with the world as well as abusing
their body all of which are not biblical and is sinful behavior.

1 Thessalonians 5:21,22
Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
Abstain from all appearance of evil.

James 4:4
Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the
friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever
therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.


Plus, it's known medical fact that alcohol is harmful to your health and Christians
have been bought with a price they are not their own and are called to glorify
God in their bodies (1 Corinthians 6:19-20) so drinking alcohol is sinful behavior.

1 Corinthians 3:17
If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy;
for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.


Christians have no right to abuse their body by ingesting alcohol.
Those that don't take their relationship with the Lord seriously
would be the ones drinking booze while claiming to be Christians.
 

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And, you cannot prove the wine He made was fermented wine.
Yes, I can. Wine is fermented grapes.
Even in today's parlance.


Grape juice is not.


Maybe He doesn't love you

John 3:16 says He loved the whole world, but apparently you think He loves you but rejects others.

That's definitely in error.
Yes, you are in error. You should study scripture before entering a forum amid those who do.



1 Corinthians 6:9,10
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.


Biblical definition of "drunkards"

G3183 - methusos -- pronounced: meth'-oo-sos
from 3184; tipsy, i.e. (as noun) a sot: KJV -- drunkard.
See Greek No. 3184 <G3184>

G3184 - methuo -- pronounced: meth-oo'-o
from another form of 3178; to drink to intoxication, i.e. get drunk: KJV -- drink well, make (be) drunk(-en).
See Greek No. 3178 <G3178>

Those that drink alcohol are engaging in the appearance of evil even if not
getting drunk, and they are being friendly with the world as well as abusing
their body all of which are not biblical and is sinful behavior.

1 Thessalonians 5:21,22
Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
Abstain from all appearance of evil.

James 4:4
Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the
friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever
therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.


Plus, it's known medical fact that alcohol is harmful to your health and Christians
have been bought with a price they are not their own and are called to glorify
God in their bodies (1 Corinthians 6:19-20) so drinking alcohol is sinful behavior.

1 Corinthians 3:17
If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy;
for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.


Christians have no right to abuse their body by ingesting alcohol.
Those that don't take their relationship with the Lord seriously
would be the ones drinking booze while claiming to be Christians.
 

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You claim God does not love everyone, that might mean you!
Watch your mouth.

And read the scriptures sometimes.

You should focus on whether God knows your name and has it written in his book of eternal life.
God never commanded Christians to drink booze!

That's pretty funny tho
No. Your lack of knowledge regarding our faith isn't at all funny.
 

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Watch your mouth.


You're the one trash talking about the Lord!

I said "God loves everyone, and you said:
No, he doesn't.

After that I commented and said maybe God does not love you since you claim He does not love everyone.

You are contradicting yourself so which is it?

Do you believe God does not love everyone meaning He may not love you?

Or does God love everyone including you. Which is it today?


No. Your lack of knowledge regarding our faith isn't at all funny.

Says the one that has no bible verses teach or command Christians to drink alcohol.


God did and his son did at the last supper. I already provided the verses.

What you can't prove is whether Jesus drank fermented wine.

He was a Nazarite so He would have taken a vow to not drink alcohol or cut His hair so Jesus would not have broken His vows meaning He would have drank the fruit of the vine that had not yet fermented, meaning He drank freshly made wine.
 

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Here some bible verses I found that the so called christian booze drinker should learn and obey:

2 Corinthians 6:17
And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,

1 Peter 1:14-16
As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:
But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;
Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.

2 Corinthians 7:1
Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

Hebrews 12:14
Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:

1 Peter 2:9
But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

1 Thessalonians 4:7
For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness.

2 Timothy 2:21
If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

Isaiah 35:8
And an highway shall be there, and a way, and it shall be called The way of holiness; the unclean shall not pass over it; but it shall be for those: the wayfaring men, though fools, shall not err therein.

Leviticus 20:26
And ye shall be holy unto me: for I the LORD am holy, and have severed you from other people, that ye should be mine.

1 Thessalonians 5:23
And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
 

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Here some bible verses I found that the so called christian booze drinker should learn and obey:

2 Corinthians 6:17
And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,

1 Peter 1:14-16
As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:
But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;
Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.

2 Corinthians 7:1
Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

Hebrews 12:14
Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:

1 Peter 2:9
But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

1 Thessalonians 4:7
For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness.

2 Timothy 2:21
If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

Isaiah 35:8
And an highway shall be there, and a way, and it shall be called The way of holiness; the unclean shall not pass over it; but it shall be for those: the wayfaring men, though fools, shall not err therein.

Leviticus 20:26
And ye shall be holy unto me: for I the LORD am holy, and have severed you from other people, that ye should be mine.

1 Thessalonians 5:23
And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Again junk running around in your head, seeing things in the scriptures that constitutes some form of rightness that is not defined.

After posting all those scriptures the words running around in your head are still not in the scriptures but just a fantasy between your ears.

“Drinking is a sin.” Is not in the scriptures. No matter how you wish it was….no matter what fantasy you are dreaming up….it is not there.
 

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Here some bible verses I found that the so called christian booze drinker should learn and obey:

2 Corinthians 6:17
And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,

1 Peter 1:14-16
As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:
But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;
Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.

2 Corinthians 7:1
Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

Hebrews 12:14
Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:

1 Peter 2:9
But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

1 Thessalonians 4:7
For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness.

2 Timothy 2:21
If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

Isaiah 35:8
And an highway shall be there, and a way, and it shall be called The way of holiness; the unclean shall not pass over it; but it shall be for those: the wayfaring men, though fools, shall not err therein.

Leviticus 20:26
And ye shall be holy unto me: for I the LORD am holy, and have severed you from other people, that ye should be mine.

1 Thessalonians 5:23
And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.


I know you mean well. However, the first issue you need to correct ......is elevation illness........
 
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I know you mean well. However, the first issue you need to correct ......is elevation illness........


The Lord has taught me to submit myself to His Word, so I'm not the one thinking they are riding on a high horse.

Let's not fashion ourselves after the world and be separated unto the Lord as His Word teaches.
 

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The Lord has taught me to submit myself to His Word, so I'm not the one thinking they are riding on a high horse.

Let's not fashion ourselves after the world and be separated unto the Lord as His Word teaches.

Then why not read and learn from His Word? Instead of making it up as you go.
 

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Then why not read and learn from His Word?


That's what I've been doing, learning from God's Word which teaches we are to not be like the world.

We are supposed to put on the New Man and walk in Newness of Life. Surprised you don't know this!

Christians are called, and ordained by God to put off the old man and to walk in newness of life. To be a child of obedience, not a child of disobedience. The wrath of God comes upon the children of disobedience. (Colossians 3:5,6)

Here’s a few scriptural truths to consider that the OSAS peoples either don’t want to talk about, try to explain away, or will come up with some excuse to claim these scriptures aren’t for Christians today.

Ephesians 2:10
For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

It's not a matter of trying to earn salvation thru good works... It's a matter of being obedient verses being disobedient!

Those that accept the calling of the Lord and become new creatures in Christ Jesus abiding in Him doing good works by the power of the Holy Spirit within as the Lord leads... these are true children of God.

Those claiming to be saved not walking in obedience have rejected the ordination and calling of the Lord and are the children of disobedience who refuse to put on the new man and walk in newness of life to stop being servants of sin...

Colossians 3:5-9
Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:
For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:
In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them.
But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.
Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;
And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:


Ephesians 4:24
And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

Romans 13:14
But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.

Hebrews 9:14

How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

Romans 6:4-6
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.


Colossians 3:5,6
Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:

As these scripture references indicate, those not accepting the calling of the Lord to be led by the Holy Ghost into walking after the new man are in disobedience... which will NOT end well for them unless they repent of their sin and get with the Lord's game plan!
 

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Do this (drink wine, which is an alcoholic beverage, by definition) in memory of me.


No, I'll get some nice organic UN-fermented wine (NON-alcoholic beverage) and drink it in remembrance of the Lord along with some broken bread.

I'll leave the booze drinking to the posers.