Earth, Created to stand forever

[Harvest 1874]

You got that right. I will only add by saying, God not only love life, but He also loves to rule, so He made human beings like Himself, so He can enjoy watching them rule the way He does. God created the universe for His children to have their own place to rule. We can't rule in Heaven, because that is God's territory. Our home will also be the Earth, but God's children will exercise their right to rule throughtout the universe.....this is why God created countless
galaxies with uncountable plants.....those plants will be populated by various life forms whom God's children will create.

Very astute thought, we think along similar lines, that is with respects to mankind venturing out into the cosmos one, day, but of course God is not going to allow this until man has been perfected. Right now the permission of evil is contained to this one little spear, no need in polluting the universe.

 

[Harvest 1874]

God's children will rule planets and create life forms?

What part of the Holy Bible is that in?

Sounds like the book of Mormon to me?

God's spiritual children, not his earthly children. Those proven worthy who receive of the divine nature, inherent life, life in themselves, and thus able to bestow life even as the Father. As God did not create the earth in vain, but created it to be inhabited, so too many of the worlds found throughout the universe.

 

[Harvest 1874]

Why do you think God created space and decked it with galaxies? Have you never read where it say in the Bible that when Jesus returns to the Earth, the increase of the government will never end?

Isaiah 9:6-7 (KJV)
6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.

Not only will the government never end, but the increase of that government will not end or stop. For that to happen, it means that the government of God have to extend beyond the Earth. Scientist have discovered that the universe is not only expanding, but it's speeding up as it expand. God have to give the universe a head start, because when human beings fully realize whom they are and are glorified, the universe will hardly be able to keep up.


Do you know that eternal life is better than immortal life? Eternal life is what human beings are being given. Eternal life is uncreated life....it's the very life that God has.....unlimited, which means one can create life, but angels only have immortal life.

Actually this last part you have backwards, eternal life is what mankind is going to receive, but this life is dependent on an outside source for its existence, viz. the trees of life (the Christ head and body). Those who inherit the divine nature, the nature of God will have life inherent, life in themselves a life not dependent on an outside source, immortality.

 

[Truth7t7]

God's spiritual children, not his earthly children. Those proven worthy who receive of the divine nature, inherent life, life in themselves, and thus able to bestow life even as the Father. As God did not create the earth in vain, but created it to be inhabited, so too many of the worlds found throughout the universe.

You also believe in world's being inhabitated throughout the universe.

Biblical citation to this Star Wars Story?

Beam Me Up Scotty!

Book of Mormon Don't Count!

 

[verzanumi24]

Actually this last part you have backwards, eternal life is what mankind is going to receive, but this life is dependent on an outside source for its existence, viz. the trees of life (the Christ head and body). Those who inherit the divine nature, the nature of God will have life inherent, life in themselves a life not dependent on an outside source, immortality.

This is what Jesus say.

John 10:28 (ASV)
28 and I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, and no one shall snatch them out of my hand.

When God give someone something it becomes there's. They are not The source, but a source just as Jesus is a source and got His life from The Father.

John 5:26 (ASV)
26 For as the Father hath life in himself, even so gave he to the Son also to have life in himself:

Being A source comes with the same authority to give life just as much as The source. Just look at it this way. The tap in one's house is not The source but A source, because it's connected to The source. So as long as the tap is connected to the source, the home owner will never have to go directly to The source to get water.

 

[verzanumi24]

Very astute thought, we think along similar lines, that is with respects to mankind venturing out into the cosmos one, day, but of course God is not going to allow this until man has been perfected. Right now the permission of evil is contained to this one little spear, no need in polluting the universe.

That is correct.

 

[verzanumi24]

God's spiritual children, not his earthly children. Those proven worthy who receive of the divine nature, inherent life, life in themselves, and thus able to bestow life even as the Father. As God did not create the earth in vain, but created it to be inhabited, so too many of the worlds found throughout the universe.

My only disagreement here is in the term God's spiritual children, because the Bible doesn't use that term. They are simply called sons of God or children of Gpd.

 

[Harvest 1874]

My only disagreement here is in the term God's spiritual children, because the Bible doesn't use that term. They are simply called sons of God or children of Gpd.

In the end they are all God's children, just existing on different planes of being. God has earthly sons, angelic or spiritual sons, and very soon divine sons. In my Father house are many mansions, many planes of being.

 

[Harvest 1874]

This is what Jesus say.

John 10:28 (ASV)
28 and I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, and no one shall snatch them out of my hand.

When God give someone something it becomes there's. They are not The source, but a source just as Jesus is a source and got His life from The Father.

John 5:26 (ASV)
26 For as the Father hath life in himself, even so gave he to the Son also to have life in himself:

Being A source comes with the same authority to give life just as much as The source. Just look at it this way. The tap in one's house is not The source but A source, because it's connected to The source. So as long as the tap is connected to the source, the home owner will never have to go directly to The source to get water.

If you examine the scriptures thoroughly you will fine that inherent life is a quality only ascribed to divine beings, immortal beings. Man as well as angels are mortal beings, their life is dependent upon God for their existence and always will be.

Just because the Lord states that man when perfected will not perish does not imply that he has life inherent it only means that those who pass the final test at the end of the millennial age will never die, this because they will have proven themselves loyal to God and thus worthily of everlasting life and as such will always have access to the trees of life.

 

[Harvest 1874]

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You also believe in world's being inhabitated throughout the universe.

Biblical citation to this Star Wars Story?

Beam Me Up Scotty!

Book of Mormon Don't Count!

Sorry my friend, but you accuse others of self interpretation and yet the whole premise of most of your arguments thus far have been based upon your own self interpretation of the scriptures. You can't just simply quote a few scriptures and imagine they support your conclusions. If they don't harmonize with the rest of the divine testimony then you know there's a problem, and since we know the word of God does not contradict itself, the only answer could be is that we have misunderstood and or misinterpreted the scriptures.

 

[Truth7t7]

Sorry my friend, but you accuse others of self interpretation and yet the whole premise of most of your arguments thus far have been based upon your own self interpretation of the scriptures. You can't just simply quote a few scriptures and imagine they support your conclusions. If they don't harmonize with the rest of the divine testimony then you know there's a problem, and since we know the word of God does not contradict itself, the only answer could be is that we have misunderstood and or misinterpreted the scriptures.

Please provide biblical scripture to validate your claim that Christian believers will in the eternal realm be jumping around to other planets, creating whatever.

Please provide scripture to this Star Wars Adventure, im really interested in reading it?

Scripture Please?

 

[verzanumi24]

If you examine the scriptures thoroughly you will fine that inherent life is a quality only ascribed to divine beings, immortal beings. Man as well as angels are mortal beings, their life is dependent upon God for their existence and always will be.

Just because the Lord states that man when perfected will not perish does not imply that he has life inherent it only means that those who pass the final test at the end of the millennial age will never die, this because they will have proven themselves loyal to God and thus worthily of everlasting life and as such will always have access to the trees of life.

What you seem not to see or chose to cherry pick around, is that Jesus said He was given eternal life by His Father, and He in turn will give eternal life to His people. So the glorified sons of God will also have inherit life just as Jesus have inherit life. Angels on the other hand only have immortal life, which means they don't have inherit life.

It's the Father who gave Jesus eternal life or inherent life.

John 5:26 (ASV)
26 For as the Father hath life in himself, even so gave he to the Son also to have life in himself:

The children of God will be partakers of the Divine Nature of God.

2 Peter 1:4 (KJV)
4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

 

[verzanumi24]

In the end they are all God's children, just existing on different planes of being. God has earthly sons, angelic or spiritual sons, and very soon divine sons. In my Father house are many mansions, many planes of being.

Angels are not true sons of God. They are only sons of God by being created by God......they are limited. True sons of God are those who are born of God. The only true sons of God are Jesus and His brothers and sisters who are born of God. Have you noticed that Jesus never called angels brothers? but He called human beings brothers.

 

[Harvest 1874]

Please provide biblical scripture to validate your claim that Christian believers will in the eternal realm be jumping around to other planets, creating whatever.

Please provide scripture to this Star Wars Adventure, im really interested in reading it?

Scripture Please?

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There are no scriptures, this was merely a speculative remark, based upon the Lord's word that he did not create the earth in vain, but intended it to be inhabited, thus it is a good assumption that this is his future intention in regards to many of the other worlds throughout the universe.

There is a visible or seen universe and there are spiritual realms unseen to man. Do you truly imagine that the Lord created the universe in vain, that he had no future intention for it. Are the stars in the sky simply for our viewing pleasure? If so why create some which scientist have confirmed are billions of light years away beyond our sight?

Man is part of the seen or visible realm just as is the universe, therefore it is only natural to speculate that the universe was created for him and others who will one day inhabit this universe. Our God is a God of order and purpose we can't imagine him creating things without some purpose.

 

[Harvest 1874]

What you seem not to see or chose to cherry pick around, is that Jesus said He was given eternal life by His Father, and He in turn will give eternal life to His people. So the glorified sons of God will also have inherit life just as Jesus have inherit life. Angels on the other hand only have immortal life, which means they don't have inherit life.

It's the Father who gave Jesus eternal life or inherent life.

John 5:26 (ASV)
26 For as the Father hath life in himself, even so gave he to the Son also to have life in himself:

The children of God will be partakers of the Divine Nature of God.

2 Peter 1:4 (KJV)
4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

You are not "rightly dividing the word of God", you are mixing the reward of the Church (the "crown of life", the divine nature, immortality) with that which mankind will receive. Yes its true Christ will bestow life upon mankind, that he will raise the dead, but the life they receive is not the same as the reward given the Church (which is referred to in the text you cited, 2 Pet 1:4). He intends to restore, to give back to them that which was lost through father Adam's sin, and what was it that exactly, why it was perfect human life and dominion over all the earth. Adam was never promised any spiritual reward, he was simply told what not to do, and if he did right he would continue to have access to the trees of life and live forever.

The Church does not receive life from Christ, their life, the new nature in them comes directly from the Father, they are begotten of the Father not the Son. Christ will be the life giver of the world, thus one of the titles given him is, "The Everlasting Father", that is, of mankind.

In Revelation 21:4 we read "There will be no more death."

This scripture is absolute, positive. There will never again be ANY DEATH OF ANY KIND!

Does this mean man will be immortal? NO! Only God, Jesus and the Church will be immortal, which means they will have life within themselves (life inherent) -- not dependent on any external sustenance such as food, oxygen, etc.

Mankind although in possession of eternal life will NOT BE IMMORTAL, they will always require food and oxygen, thus they are not death proof or immortal. However, once having passed their test, because it was God who promised that they would have everlasting life, Luke 20:36 will be true - "neither can they die anymore," - in the sense that God has promised it, and His promise cannot be broken - He cannot lie.

 

[Harvest 1874]

Angels are not true sons of God. They are only sons of God by being created by God......they are limited. True sons of God are those who are born of God. The only true sons of God are Jesus and His brothers and sisters who are born of God. Have you noticed that Jesus never called angels brothers? but He called human beings brothers.

Then you have a problem because Adam was not a direct creation of God either, and yet he too is referred to as a Son of God. (Luke 3:38) You may choose to disannul the sons of God, but I doubt he does.

 

[verzanumi24]

Then you have a problem because Adam was not a direct creation of God either, and yet he too is referred to as a Son of God. (Luke 3:38) You may choose to disannul the sons of God, but I doubt he does.

No, I don't. Adam wasn't a son of God by being born of God. Adam was a son of God not only by being made, but the also by the fact that the breath of life that God blew into Adam was spirit, which came from God. It's the same spirit that all human beigs have.

 

[verzanumi24]

You are not "rightly dividing the word of God", you are mixing the reward of the Church (the "crown of life", the divine nature, immortality) with that which mankind will receive. Yes its true Christ will bestow life upon mankind, that he will raise the dead, but the life they receive is not the same as the reward given the Church (which is referred to in the text you cited, 2 Pet 1:4). He intends to restore, to give back to them that which was lost through father Adam's sin, and what was it that exactly, why it was perfect human life and dominion over all the earth. Adam was never promised any spiritual reward, he was simply told what not to do, and if he did right he would continue to have access to the trees of life and live forever.

The Church does not receive life from Christ, their life, the new nature in them comes directly from the Father, they are begotten of the Father not the Son. Christ will be the life giver of the world, thus one of the titles given him is, "The Everlasting Father", that is, of mankind.

In Revelation 21:4 we read "There will be no more death."

This scripture is absolute, positive. There will never again be ANY DEATH OF ANY KIND!

Does this mean man will be immortal? NO! Only God, Jesus and the Church will be immortal, which means they will have life within themselves (life inherent) -- not dependent on any external sustenance such as food, oxygen, etc.

Mankind although in possession of eternal life will NOT BE IMMORTAL, they will always require food and oxygen, thus they are not death proof or immortal. However, once having passed their test, because it was God who promised that they would have everlasting life, Luke 20:36 will be true - "neither can they die anymore," - in the sense that God has promised it, and His promise cannot be broken - He cannot lie.

Jesus' own words say He will give His people eternal life.

John 10:27-28 (ASV)
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 and I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, and no one shall snatch them out of my hand.


I didn't say those who died before Jesus was born or never heard the true gospel are going to be resurrected to eternal life....you assumed that. But nevertheless, they too will be given eternal life just as the saints before them did.

 

[Harvest 1874]

No, I don't. Adam wasn't a son of God by being born of God. Adam was a son of God not only by being made, but the also by the fact that the breath of life that God blew into Adam was spirit, which came from God. It's the same spirit that all human beigs have.

So then you are saying that it was not only the fact that Adam was made by God, but what truly made Adam a son of God was the fact that he received the “breath of life” from God, hummm! Interesting so then that must mean that birds, fish and animals are likewise sons of God seeing as they received the same “breath of life”, the same breath common to every living creature, as noted in the following, (Eccl. 3: 21)

"Who knows [who can prove] that the spirit [ruach-- spirit of life] of man goes upward and that the spirit [ruach--spirit of life] of the beast goes downward to the earth?"

Solomon answered his own question in the preceding verses, saying: "That which befalls the sons of men [death] befalls beasts; even one [the same] thing befalls them: as the one dies so dies the other; yea they have all one breath [ruach--spirit of life, breath of life]; so that a man hath no pre-eminence above a beast" (Also compare Gen 6:17; 7:15, 22, 23)

 

[verzanumi24]

So then you are saying that it was not only the fact that Adam was made by God, but what truly made Adam a son of God was the fact that he received the “breath of life” from God, hummm! Interesting so then that must mean that birds, fish and animals are likewise sons of God seeing as they received the same “breath of life”, the same breath common to every living creature, as noted in the following, (Eccl. 3: 21)

"Who knows [who can prove] that the spirit [ruach-- spirit of life] of man goes upward and that the spirit [ruach--spirit of life] of the beast goes downward to the earth?"

Solomon answered his own question in the preceding verses, saying: "That which befalls the sons of men [death] befalls beasts; even one [the same] thing befalls them: as the one dies so dies the other; yea they have all one breath [ruach--spirit of life, breath of life]; so that a man hath no pre-eminence above a beast" (Also compare Gen 6:17; 7:15, 22, 23)

There is no scripture in the Bible that said God blew spirit into animals. God just spoke them into existance. Man(male and female) is a uniqe creation; the only creation that was made in God's image.