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This year's celebration is humorous as it restores Jesus' corpse to life 22
days before he gets crucified during Passover towards the end of April. Oh
well; it's the thought that counts rather than the date.

Anyway; we should probably start discussions of Easter now rather than
waiting till the last minute.
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Bouncing from Matt 12:40 we get Jonah 1:17, which says:

"The Lord provided a great fish to swallow Jonah, and he was inside the fish
three days and three nights."


FAQ: Was Jonah alive in the fish?

REPLY: Yes. (Jonah 2:1)

FAQ: The whole time?

REPLY: No; at some point in his nautical adventure Jonah went to a place
called sheol (Jonah 2:2) which is located at the roots of the mountains.
(Jonah 2:6)

Well; the roots of the mountains aren't located in the tummies of fish, nor
are they located under the sea, rather: they're located underground deep in
the Earth. So, the only way that Jonah could possibly be at the roots of the
mountains while simultaneously in the belly of a fish was for the man and his
body to part company and go their separate ways. (This is not impossible
because according to Matt 10:28 people can exist as disembodied souls.)

Also, the language of Jonah's prayer strongly suggests that his corpse was
restored to life, i.e. resurrected.

Jonah 2:6 . . I descended to the roots of the mountains. The earth with its
bars was around me forever, But Thou hast brought up my life from the pit,
O Lord my God.

The Hebrew word for "pit" basically pertains to holes in the ground, but
sometimes speaks of putrefaction too, e.g. Ps 16:8-10 & Acts 2:25-31. In
other words; had Jonah's body been left inside that fish's tummy for much
longer, it would've been digested to oblivion.

Matt 12:40 . . For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of
a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the
heart of the earth.

Now when you think about it; Jesus' remains weren't laid to rest in the heart
of the Earth; and in point of fact they weren't even buried in the Earth's soil.
They were laid to rest up on the surface of the earth in a rock-hewn tomb.
So the only way that Jesus could be up on the surface of the Earth and down
its interior simultaneously was for he and his body to part company and go
their separate ways the same as Jonah's did.

Also: it was essential to get Jesus back up on his feet again before a fourth
day to prevent his body from being lost to rot. (John 11:39, Ps 16:8-10,
Acts 2:25-31)


NOTE: Jonah 2:5-7 strongly suggests that he was already deceased via
drowning prior to the fish; which makes sense seeing as Jesus was deceased
prior to the tomb, viz: neither man was buried alive.
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Jesus was dead the whole time. He was resurrected to life.
 

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One sure fact is that somebody will always post, either at Easter or Christmas, telling us all how wrong we are to celebrate in a particular way or on a particular day.

I say, get over yourself we don't want 'clever' people telling us how wrong we are as we celebrate and honour the birth, life , death and resurrection of the greatest person who ever lived. It is Jesus himself who is the important factor here, regardless of the days or dates.
 
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Shouldn’t be an issue for those who affirm the decisions made at the Council of Nicaea.

”The First Ecumenical Council of Nicaea in the fourth century (325 A.D.) was convened by Roman Emperor Constantine the Great to solve the problems raised by Arianism, but it also decided a number of other issues including the determination of the Easter date celebration. It decreed that Easter should be celebrated on the first Sunday after the first full moon in Spring or after the Spring Equinox.

 

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Matt 12:40-41 . . For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly
of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in
the heart of the earth.

An abundance of textual evidence indicates Jesus' crucified dead body was
restored to life during the third day rather than later after the third day was
completely over and done with, viz: his actual time interred was less than 72
hours.

Matt 17:22-23
Matt 20:18-19
Mark 9:31
Luke 9:22
Luke 18:33
Luke 24:5-8
Luke 24:21-23
Luke 24:46
John 2:19
Acts 10:40
1Cor 15:4


FAQ: What about Matt 27:63 and Mark 8:31? They say "after" the third day
rather than during the third.


REPLY: To begin with, those verses are outnumbered 11÷2.

Plus; the Greek word translated "after" is somewhat ambiguous. It can
indicate moments following the conclusion of an event, but it can also
indicate moments within an event. I suggest letting the 11÷2 majority
decide how best to interpret the intent of Matt 27:63 and Mark 8:31.


FAQ: Luke 24:21-23 says the morning that women came to the cemetery
was the third day. How can that be true when according to John 20:1 the
sun wasn't up yet when they arrived?


REPLY: That's an excellent point because according to the first chapter of
Genesis, day is when the sun is up and night is when the sun is down.

However, liturgical days-- e.g. feasts and sabbaths --complicate things a bit
because they begin at sunset instead of sunrise; for example:

Matt 28:1 . . In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the
first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the
sepulcher.

According to Genesis time, it was not yet a new day when the women
arrived; whereas liturgically it was because the sabbath wrapped at sundown
the previous day.


FAQ: Can the hours of darkness during Jesus' crucifixion be counted as one
of the three nights?


REPLY: Jesus survived those hours. Matt 12:40 requires that he be dead and
buried.
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Shouldn’t be an issue for those who affirm the decisions made at the Council of Nicaea.

”The First Ecumenical Council of Nicaea in the fourth century (325 A.D.) was convened by Roman Emperor Constantine the Great to solve the problems raised by Arianism, but it also decided a number of other issues including the determination of the Easter date celebration. It decreed that Easter should be celebrated on the first Sunday after the first full moon in Spring or after the Spring Equinox.

Oh, now I'm convinced.:rolleyes:
Who cares? Some celebrate, some don't.
I already bought Cadbury Easter eggs for my daughter and granddaughter, and some Reese's eggs. We'll probably have some deviled eggs too , and maybe my family will go to mass if the daughter is well.
For me, Jesus said to commemorate His death, didn't say anything about commemorating the Resurrection.But if others want to, go right ahead.
 

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An abundance of textual evidence indicates Jesus' crucified dead body was
restored to life during the third day rather than later after the third day was
completely over and done with, viz: his actual time interred was less than 72
hours.
WAY less than 72 hours. More like 36-40 (very late Friday to very early Sunday), which is why the Jewish view that any portion of a day constitutes a day becomes important to many.
 

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Oh, now I'm convinced.:rolleyes:
Who cares? Some celebrate, some don't.
I already bought Cadbury Easter eggs for my daughter and granddaughter, and some Reese's eggs. We'll probably have some deviled eggs too , and maybe my family will go to mass if the daughter is well.
For me, Jesus said to commemorate His death, didn't say anything about commemorating the Resurrection.But if others want to, go right ahead.

I’m with you. Kick the Council of Nicaea, in whole or in part, to the curb. The decisions made by the Council have no bearing on my Christian faith.
 

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Without the controversy, the reasoning for Easter's date was to somewhat conform to the Jewish calendar for Passover. However, the church used only a solar calendar and there were no months like the Jews use in their calendar. Since the Gregorian (the Julian back then) have 12 months, they had to use THAT calendar to estimate when Passover would occur to keep with the seasons without regard for the Jewish calendar directly. In other words, Passover happens usually after the Vernal equinox given the barley ripening usually happens just before then at new moon. The following full moon (14th of Nisan, Passover) follow the equinox and the following Sunday is the feast of Firstfruits (it's actually a day they observe but not a Sabbath). Easter occurs on the first Sunday after the first full moon on or just after the Vernal Equinox in which the ecclesiastical calendar deems as March 21, thus March 22nd is the earliest Easter and April 25 if the full moon so happened just before the Vernal Equinox so then they wait another month. Consequently, Easter usually coincides with Passover week but on the years the Jews add a leap month (Adar II), then Passover comes a month later. This year Easter will coincide more with Purim, associated with a late winter festival of the Jews. In short, it's all in the calendars.
 

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FAQ: Was it really necessary to restore Jesus' crucified dead body to life?

REPLY: Jesus' crucifixion made it possible for everyone to obtain a pardon
per Isa 53:6. However, his crucifixion alone doesn't clear them, viz: it leaves
the record of their wrongs intact.

For example; former US President Gerald Ford pardoned former US
President Richard Nixon, but although the pardon kept Mr. Nixon out of
prison, it did nothing to clear his name, viz: he's still in the books for
criminal conduct. So then; the thing that Mr. Nixon really needed was
exoneration which, though impossible in most any of the world's criminal
justice systems, is very possible in Heaven's system via Jesus' resurrection.

Rom 4:25 . . He was delivered over to death for our sins, and was raised
to life for our justification.

The Greek word for "justification" is dikaiosis (dik-ah'-yo-sis) which means
acquittal; defined as an adjudication of innocence: usually due to a lack of
sufficient evidence to convict.

That's comparable to Isa 53:11 wherein is said:

"By his knowledge my righteous servant will justify many; and he will bear
their iniquities."

So, in the end, folks whose names have been cleared by Jesus' resurrection
will have nothing on the books with which to accuse them at the great white
throne event depicted by Rev 20:11-15, viz: it will appear they have never
been anything less than 100% innocent their entire lives.

2Cor 5:19 . . God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not
counting their trespasses against them.

The Greek word translated "counting" pertains to keeping an inventory, i.e.
an indictment. Well; without an indictment, prosecutors would be silly to
haul someone into court because most any sensible judge would refuse to
hear them.

Rom 8:34 . . Who is he that condemns? Christ Jesus who died? More than
that: he who was raised to life, and is at the right hand of God, and is also
interceding for us?
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His body wasn’t crucified. He was crucified.

His body wasn’t resurrected to life. He was resurrected to life.
 

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FAQ: How was Jesus' human sacrifice not illegal seeing as Rom 1:3, Gal 4:4, and
Heb 7:14 attest that he was a Jew born under the jurisdiction of the covenant that
Moses' people agreed upon with God per Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and
Deuteronomy? Wasn't he limited to the atonements specified in that covenant the
same as all other Jews?

Deut 4:2 . .You shall not add anything to what I command you or take anything
away from it, but keep the commandments of The Lord your God that I enjoin upon
you.

Deut 5:29-30 . . Be careful, then, to do as The Lord your God has commanded
you. Do not turn aside to the right or to the left: follow only the path that The Lord
your God has enjoined upon you.


REPLY: First off: note that the language and grammar of Isa 53:4-10 is past tense
rather than future: indicating that Christ's crucifixion was over and done with prior
to Isaiah's prophecy.


FAQ: How so?

REPLY: The laws of God are not retroactive. (Deut 5:2-4, Rom 4:15, Rom 5:13 &
Gal 3:17) Therefore, the cross didn't breach the covenant because Christ was
designated, and scheduled, to die for the sins of the world prior to both the world
and Moses' covenant. (1Pet 1:20 & Rev 13:8)


FAQ: Col 1:18 says God's son is the firstborn from among the dead. How is that
possible when so many others in the Bible underwent resurrections before he did?


REPLY: None of those other dead people are said restored to life with immortality
the way Jesus was. (Rom 6:9, 1Tim 6:14-15, and Rev 1:18)


NOTE: Acts 13:32-34 verifies that Ps 2:7 refers to Jesus' resurrection, to wit:

"You are my son, this day I have begotten you."

Well; I strongly suspect that a time is coming when God will make a similar
announcement to all who undergo resurrections whereby God endows them with
immortality per 1Cor 15:51-53.
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”This is how we know love: he laid down his life for us.”

(1 John 3:16, NTFE)

He laid down what for us? Not just his body; his life.
 

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”He was dead, but he became alive again.”

(Revelation 2:8, EASY)
 

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Jesus and his men ate their Passover dinner the night of his arrest.

Matt 26:17-20
Mark 14:12-17
Luke 22:7-15

The Jews ate theirs after he was dead and buried.

John 13:1-2
John 18:28-29
John 19:13-14
John 19:31)


FAQ: The law of the Passover per the 12th chapter of Exodus is very explicit
about the times and circumstances relative to Passover. How was it not
wrong for Jesus to dine early?


REPLY: The Jews were somehow unaware that their liturgical calendar was
tardy the year that Christ was crucified. He, being a prophet in direct contact
with God, would of course known the precise moment that Passover that
year was supposed to begin.

Ironically, the Jews were careful to avoid going after Jesus during Passover.

Matt 26:3-5 . .Then the chief priests and the elders of the people
assembled in the palace of the high priest, whose name was Caiaphas, and
they plotted to arrest Jesus in some sly way and kill him. But not during the
feast-- they said --or there may be a riot among the people.

Due to their liturgical calendar's error, the Jews were a day late preparing
for dinner and thus inadvertently put Jesus to death during the very season
they wanted to avoid.

The Jews' mistake worked to Jesus' advantage. Had their calendar been
correct, then Jesus would've lost an opportunity to share one last sacred
event with his men; something he really wanted to do.

"Then, at the proper time, Jesus and the twelve apostles sat down together
at the table. Jesus said: I have looked forward to this hour with deep
longing, anxious to eat this Passover meal with you before my suffering
begins." (Luke 22:14-15)


NOTE: Jesus isn't done with Passover yet; he's already anticipating a future
event with his men again at dinner.

Luke 22:15-16 . . I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you
before I suffer. For I tell you: I will not eat it again until it finds fulfillment in
the kingdom of God.
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1Cor 11:23-24 . . I received from the Lord what I also delivered to you,
that the Lord Jesus on the night when he was betrayed took bread, and
when he had given thanks, he broke it, and said: This is my body which is
for you. Do this in remembrance of me.

The broken bread reminds the congregation-- and any visitors present --that
Christ's body was very nearly destroyed during his crucifixion.

The Romans whipped Jesus to within an inch of his life, slapped him around,
crowned him with thorns, and drove nails into his hands and his feet. But
that was child's play compared to what God did. By the time those hours of
darkness lifted; the Lord's own mother would have trouble recognizing him.

Isa 52:14 . . Many were appalled at him-- his appearance was so
disfigured beyond that of any man, and his form marred beyond human
likeness.

The Romans aren't to blame for doing that to Christ; no, they had their fun
and nailed him up there, but it was God who put on the finishing touches,
viz: his own Father is responsible for the extreme severity of Jesus' injuries.

"It was the Lord's will to crush him and cause him to suffer" (Isa 53:10)

The below is an impassioned plea heard from the cross.

Matt 27:46 . . My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

Here it is again; this time with some parts that were omitted.

Ps 22:1 . . My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? Why art thou so
far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring?

The Hebrew word translated "roaring" basically means a rumbling or moan.

In other words: people standing around the cross that day during those
three hours of inky dark couldn't see anything, but they could sure hear:
and what they heard were the dreadful sounds of a man in extreme
discomfort as God laid into him for the sins of the whole world.

But let's not make the mistake of feeling sorry for Jesus as if he were the
victim of some awful misfortune . . no, he doesn't want our sympathy,
rather, he wants our approval because it was for that very scene that the
Word of John 1:1-3 entered mankind as the flesh of John 1:14.

John 12:27 . . Now my heart is troubled, and what shall I say? "Father,
save me from this hour" No; it was for this very reason I came to this hour.

It was God's will to crush him; and for a very good purpose. Relative to that
purpose I can honestly say: better Jesus on that cross than us in the lake of
brimstone depicted at Rev 20:11-15 where the lost will have to undergo
death akin to a foundry worker falling into a kettle of molten iron. I'd
imagine people will be in a white knuckle panic; shrieking, weeping, and
bellowing like wounded dogs as their eyes dart about looking for someone,
anyone, to help them. But the only person who can help them in any
meaningful way at all will be presiding. (John 5:22-23 & Acts 17:31)

The worst of it is: nobody is coming back from the second death because
according to Dan 12:2 and John 5:28-29 there's only one resurrection
allotted per person and the lost will be accommodated with it when they're
called up to face justice at the great white throne event.

* It's discouraging enough that the beautiful people have to lose their looks
the first time around-- to lose their looks a second, and final time, will be
devastating.
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Jesus and his men ate their Passover dinner the night of his arrest.

Matt 26:17-20
Mark 14:12-17
Luke 22:7-15

The Jews ate theirs after he was dead and buried.

John 13:1-2
John 18:28-29
John 19:13-14
John 19:31)


FAQ: The law of the Passover per the 12th chapter of Exodus is very explicit
about the times and circumstances relative to Passover. How was it not
wrong for Jesus to dine early?


REPLY: The Jews were somehow unaware that their liturgical calendar was
tardy the year that Christ was crucified. He, being a prophet in direct contact
with God, would of course known the precise moment that Passover that
year was supposed to begin.

Ironically, the Jews were careful to avoid going after Jesus during Passover.

Matt 26:3-5 . .Then the chief priests and the elders of the people
assembled in the palace of the high priest, whose name was Caiaphas, and
they plotted to arrest Jesus in some sly way and kill him. But not during the
feast-- they said --or there may be a riot among the people.

Due to their liturgical calendar's error, the Jews were a day late preparing
for dinner and thus inadvertently put Jesus to death during the very season
they wanted to avoid.

The Jews' mistake worked to Jesus' advantage. Had their calendar been
correct, then Jesus would've lost an opportunity to share one last sacred
event with his men; something he really wanted to do.

"Then, at the proper time, Jesus and the twelve apostles sat down together
at the table. Jesus said: I have looked forward to this hour with deep
longing, anxious to eat this Passover meal with you before my suffering
begins." (Luke 22:14-15)


NOTE: Jesus isn't done with Passover yet; he's already anticipating a future
event with his men again at dinner.

Luke 22:15-16 . . I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you
before I suffer. For I tell you: I will not eat it again until it finds fulfillment in
the kingdom of God.
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Jesus didn’t dine early. He ate the passover on the same evening the nation did. There was no liturgical calendar error.