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This is the one that least of us agree on - the fourth goal of Daniel’s wonderful 70th week. (19 minutes into video if you don’t want to listen to the whole message) The Cross of Christ enabled the righteousness of Christ to be credited to those that believe on him irrespective of the wrongs they may have done. :woohoo!:

This clause of Daniel’s prophecy has been subject to confusion because commentators have focused on second coming theories, failing to recognise the centrality of the Cross in Bible prophecy. What could ‘everlasting righteousness’ possibly mean, they ask, except the millennial reign of Christ? They miss the point.

Everlasting righteousness! Speaking of it, Isaiah said, “The righteous one, my servant, shall make many to be accounted righteous.” (Isaiah 53:11) Paul put it this way, “By the one man’s obedience the many will be made righteous ... For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.” (Romans 5:18-19, 2 Cor. 5:21)

It is wonder enough that God does not impute sin to the believer’s account, but what is even more astonishing is that He actually credits to our account the righteousness of Christ instead. And the promise is now! It is not a dream for some future age to come. Why did God do this?

"God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement. (a propitiation) He did it to demonstrate his righteousness at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus.” (Romans 3:25,26)
 
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This is the one that least of us agree on - the fourth goal of Daniel’s wonderful 70th week. (19 minutes into video if you don’t want to listen to the whole message) The Cross of Christ enabled the righteousness of Christ to be credited to those that believe on him irrespective of the wrongs they may have done. :woohoo!:

This clause of Daniel’s prophecy has been subject to confusion because commentators have focused on second coming theories, failing to recognise the centrality of the Cross in Bible prophecy. What could ‘everlasting righteousness’ possibly mean, they ask, except the millennial reign of Christ? They miss the point.

Everlasting righteousness! Speaking of it, Isaiah said, “The righteous one, my servant, shall make many to be accounted righteous.” (Isaiah 53:11) Paul put it this way, “By the one man’s obedience the many will be made righteous ... For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.” (Romans 5:18-19, 2 Cor. 5:21)

It is wonder enough that God does not impute sin to the believer’s account, but what is even more astonishing is that He actually credits to our account the righteousness of Christ instead. And the promise is now! It is not a dream for some future age to come. Why did God do this?

"God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement. (a propitiation) He did it to demonstrate his righteousness at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus.” (Romans 3:25,26)

Well put! Excellent!
 
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Everlasting righteousness! Speaking of it, Isaiah said, “The righteous one, my servant, shall make many to be accounted righteous.” (Isaiah 53:11) Paul put it this way, “By the one man’s obedience the many will be made righteous ... For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.” (Romans 5:18-19, 2 Cor. 5:21)
Everlasting Righteousness is a different thing from individual righteousness.
A good faithful Christian person, keeping the Commandments, can achieve righteousness as Paul teaches.

But I cannot agree that 'Everlasting Righteousness' is now and has been since the Cross. Actually, it cannot finally happen until Eternity, because even after the Millennium, there will be a rebellion. Rev 20:7-10

NONE of the six tenets in Daniel 9:24 have been fulfilled as yet.
 

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Everlasting Righteousness is a different thing from individual righteousness.
A good faithful Christian person, keeping the Commandments, can achieve righteousness as Paul teaches.

But I cannot agree that 'Everlasting Righteousness' is now and has been since the Cross. Actually, it cannot finally happen until Eternity, because even after the Millennium, there will be a rebellion. Rev 20:7-10

NONE of the six tenets in Daniel 9:24 have been fulfilled as yet.

There is only one righteousness acceptable to God - that is Christ's imputed righteousness. We do not have "individual righteousness."
 

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Everlasting Righteousness is a different thing from individual righteousness.
A good faithful Christian person, keeping the Commandments, can achieve righteousness as Paul teaches.

But I cannot agree that 'Everlasting Righteousness' is now and has been since the Cross. Actually, it cannot finally happen until Eternity, because even after the Millennium, there will be a rebellion. Rev 20:7-10

NONE of the six tenets in Daniel 9:24 have been fulfilled as yet.
EVERY ONE has been fulfilled completely and perfectly by Christ at Calvary.

If the righteousness that Christ brought in at Calvary, and to which there are numerous NT references to its extant reality, is not everlasting righteousness; then when does it end?
 

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There is only one righteousness acceptable to God - that is Christ's imputed righteousness. We do not have "individual righteousness."
Therefore; there is no collective, national righteousness.
This is wrong as we know; from how God will have a righteous, faithful nation in His holy Land during the end times and all the people who go with Him into the Millennium. They are referred to in Daniel 7:25 and Revelation 13:7
EVERY ONE has been fulfilled completely and perfectly by Christ at Calvary.

If the righteousness that Christ brought in at Calvary, and to which there are numerous NT references to its extant reality, is not everlasting righteousness; then when does it end?
Sure; The Righteousness of Christ commenced at the Cross and is everlasting.
This truth in no way means that anybody else has that, as yet. Easily proved by the reality of our situation today.

Anyone who believes that any of the six tenets of Daniel 9:24, are fulfilled now, is in lala land. How can there be any sins during 'everlasting righteousness?
 

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Sure; The Righteousness of Christ commenced at the Cross and is everlasting.
This truth in no way means that anybody else has that, as yet. Easily proved by the reality of our situation today.

Anyone who believes that any of the six tenets of Daniel 9:24, are fulfilled now, is in lala land. How can there be any sins during 'everlasting righteousness?
So Christ had it, but refused to share it with anyone else? Rather stingy of Him, not?

But Paul, Peter, and John tell us otherwise.

1 Corinthians 1:30
But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

2 Corinthians 5:21
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

1 Peter 2:24
Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

1 John 2:29
If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.

Looks like you're the only lalaer.
 
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So Christ had it, but refused to share it with anyone else? Rather stingy of Him, not?

But Paul, Peter, and John tell us otherwise.

1 Corinthians 1:30
But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

2 Corinthians 5:21
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

1 Peter 2:24
Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

1 John 2:29
If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.

Looks like you're the only lalaer.
Do you expect the verses you posted prove our righteousness is everlasting now?
NONE of them even mention 'everlasting'.

In lala land , they wear clown clothes and all who push false doctrines have a dunce hat.
 

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Do you expect the verses you posted prove our righteousness is everlasting now?
NONE of them even mention 'everlasting'.

In lala land , they wear clown clothes and all who push false doctrines have a dunce hat.
Peter, Paul, and John tell us that righteousness was alive and well in the Church of their time.

But if, as you claim, it is not everlasting righteousness, then it must have ended between then and now.

When did it end?
 
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Peter, Paul, and John tell us that righteousness was alive and well in the Church of their time.

But if, as you claim, it is not everlasting righteousness, then it must have ended between then and now.

When did it end?
Peter, Paul, John and even Abraham; Romans 4:22, never mentions Everlasting Righteousness. Because it is something yet to happen.

Of course, any admission of mistakes, means your entire paradigm of what will happen in the end times, comes crashing down.
 

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Peter, Paul, John and even Abraham; Romans 4:22, never mentions Everlasting Righteousness. Because it is something yet to happen.

Of course, any admission of mistakes, means your entire paradigm of what will happen in the end times, comes crashing down.
Unlike you, Peter, Paul, and John knew and believed and observed and experienced what Daniel had written.

You have no answers for the questions. Your paradigm has never left the ground.

Thanks for the guffaws.
 
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