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A fresh look at the ‘seventy weeks’ prophecy. Jesus of Nazareth is revealed as the Anointed One who finished transgression, made an end of sins, and reconciled us to God.

I bought this message to our church in Easter 2019, and have only now got it on the Internet for 2023. We were doing a series. We were covering the basics so that a broad audience could enjoy the visions of Daniel without getting bogged down with debates. However, discussion is welcome on the forum. Enjoy.

 
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As we know, Jesus was crucified on Passover. So, the Jewish Passover and Christian Easter are related, Christ’s atonement being the final sacrifice.

What is not so well known is how Daniel foretold of this in his famous 70-week prophecy. It has been obscured by our teaching that the six goals of the seventieth week were postponed until Jesus’ second coming. This video deals with the first four of those goals:
  1. To finish the transgression
  2. To make an end of sins
  3. To make reconciliation for iniquity
  4. To bring in everlasting righteousness
I thought Easter would be a good time to discuss it.
 

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As we know, Jesus was crucified on Passover. So, the Jewish Passover and Christian Easter are related, Christ’s atonement being the final sacrifice.

What is not so well known is how Daniel foretold of this in his famous 70-week prophecy. It has been obscured by our teaching that the six goals of the seventieth week were postponed until Jesus’ second coming. This video deals with the first four of those goals:
  1. To finish the transgression
  2. To make an end of sins
  3. To make reconciliation for iniquity
  4. To bring in everlasting righteousness
I thought Easter would be a good time to discuss it.
Thanks Chris. Minor correction: others' teaching
 
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Let’s start with the first goal of the 70th week. The Cross of Christ finished transgression for those who believe so the demands of law do not have to be charged against them.

This is the legal basis of justification. Does it mean no one sinned after the Cross? Of course not, but the systematic code of written law, as given to Moses, has been abolished! Therefore, when the accuser brings his charge against a believer, God throws it out because that man belongs under grace. He is no longer under the former law, and for him the law has no authority to condemn.

“To the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness, just as David also speaks of the blessing of the one to whom God counts righteousness apart from works: "Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven, and whose sins are covered; blessed is the man against whom the Lord will not count his sin." (Romans 4:5-8)

Some on Christian forums argue, “if a believer sins, how can there be no transgression?” It is because God does not impute (charge) sin to his account. Let it not be said, however, that He cheapens justice by flicking pardons with no respect to law at all. “But He (Christ) was wounded for our transgressions.” What happened was that up until the Cross, the law required mandatory judgment upon all who transgressed it. After the atonement, however - after Messiah met the law’s demands - he effectively ended the law for those who believe, because his sacrifice paid the penalty for all transgression over all time. (PTL) :woohoo!:

And that is what Daniel meant; “Seventy weeks are determined for your people and for your holy city ... to finish the transgression.
 

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Continuing our Easter topic with the second goal of the 70th week. (listen from 15 minutes into video) The Cross of Christ made an end of sins by removing the accumulated sin temporarily covered under the old covenant, as well as removing in advance sin committed under the new covenant.

Having satisfied the requirements of justice, God made an end of sins. No, we are not saying that sin does not happen. On the contrary; “If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.” What scripture means by “ending sin” is that “if we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” (1 John 1:8-9)

It needs to be remembered that no amount of confession under the old covenant took sins away. Animal sacrifice under this covenant only covered sin, the temple being a ‘container’ holding the accumulated guilt of those who sacrificed there. Year after year the Day of Atonement was repeated, the volume of sin expanded and the covering was extended for yet another year.

When Jesus died there was already an accumulated heap of guilt, so Daniel’s reference to “making an end of sins” meant exactly that. Christ’s Cross took it away allowing the Old Testament saints to inherit the promise even though they lived before the New Testament had begun.

“Therefore, he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.” “Hebrews 9:15)

The Cross of Christ atones for sin retrospectively and in advance. God knew those who saw in their offerings the shadow of a greater sacrifice to come, and God knows those who look back to the Cross in faith. For both of them, the blood of Jesus purifies from all sin.
 
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A fresh look at the ‘seventy weeks’ prophecy. Jesus of Nazareth is revealed as the Anointed One who finished transgression, made an end of sins, and reconciled us to God.

I bought this message to our church in Easter 2019, and have only now got it on the Internet for 2023. We were doing a series. We were covering the basics so that a broad audience could enjoy the visions of Daniel without getting bogged down with debates. However, discussion is welcome on the forum. Enjoy.


I'll give it a listen. Thanks for sharing!
 
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Let’s start with the first goal of the 70th week. The Cross of Christ finished transgression for those who believe so the demands of law do not have to be charged against them.

This is the legal basis of justification. Does it mean no one sinned after the Cross? Of course not, but the systematic code of written law, as given to Moses, has been abolished! Therefore, when the accuser brings his charge against a believer, God throws it out because that man belongs under grace. He is no longer under the former law, and for him the law has no authority to condemn.

“To the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness, just as David also speaks of the blessing of the one to whom God counts righteousness apart from works: "Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven, and whose sins are covered; blessed is the man against whom the Lord will not count his sin." (Romans 4:5-8)

Some on Christian forums argue, “if a believer sins, how can there be no transgression?” It is because God does not impute (charge) sin to his account. Let it not be said, however, that He cheapens justice by flicking pardons with no respect to law at all. “But He (Christ) was wounded for our transgressions.” What happened was that up until the Cross, the law required mandatory judgment upon all who transgressed it. After the atonement, however - after Messiah met the law’s demands - he effectively ended the law for those who believe, because his sacrifice paid the penalty for all transgression over all time. (PTL) :woohoo!:

And that is what Daniel meant; “Seventy weeks are determined for your people and for your holy city ... to finish the transgression.

Great stuff! I appreciate your discernment!
 

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That seems significant to me but I can't say that I understand why it is significant. What am I missing, please? Thank you.
Thanks for the interest you are taking Patrick. The best known verse in answer to your question is 1 Corinthians‬ ‭5‬:‭7‬. “For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed.” So, the connection between Passover and Jesus‘ death has been understood from the beginning. That is because the story from Exodus, when the angel of death ‘passed over’ the houses of those who had blood sprinkled on their doorposts were saved. All of Israel remembered this deliverance every year at the same time. Us Christians realise that it prefigured an ultimate deliverance that saves us from spiritual slavery for eternity.
 

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Thanks for the interest you are taking Patrick. The best known verse in answer to your question is 1 Corinthians‬ ‭5‬:‭7‬. “For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed.” So, the connection between Passover and Jesus‘ death has been understood from the beginning. That is because the story from Exodus, when the angel of death ‘passed over’ the houses of those who had blood sprinkled on their doorposts were saved. All of Israel remembered this deliverance every year at the same time. Us Christians realise that it prefigured an ultimate deliverance that saves us from spiritual slavery for eternity.

Brilliant. Thank you for the perfect explanation and God bless you for selflessly sharing God's words with the rest of us!
 
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This is the one that most of us agree on - the third goal of the 70th week. (18 minutes into video if you don’t want to listen to the whole message again) The Cross of Christ reconciled us to God whose justice was satisfied by the propitiatory sacrifice of his Son.

With the problem of transgression and sin dealt with, we are able to be reconciled to God. Reconciliation is what Daniel saw when he wrote in step by step order: “Seventy weeks are determined for your people and for your holy city ...
  1. to finish the transgression,
  2. to make an end of sins,
  3. to make reconciliation for iniquity”
Actually, God's whole purpose in the Cross was to reconcile us to himself to bring us from separation and enmity, to peace and new relationship with him. New Testament scriptures show that ...

"...we were God's enemies but we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son." (Rom. 5: 10)
"... you who once were far away have been bought near by the blood of Christ." (Ephesians 2: 13)
"... you were alienated from God and were enemies in your minds but now he has reconciled you by
Christ's physical body through death (Colossians 1: 21-22)

Old Testament scriptures show the same thing prophesied all those years before by the prophet Daniel.
 
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Brilliant. Thank you for the perfect explanation and God bless you for selflessly sharing God's words with the rest of us!
Daniel 9:24-27, Seventy Literal Weeks Explained "Future"?

Daniel's 70 weeks are literal 7 day periods, or 490 literal days.

If Daniel meant 490 years he would have written

(Four Hundred Ninety Years)

Daniel had no restrictions in "Writing" exact numerology as seen below.

Daniel 6:1KJV
It pleased Darius to set over the kingdom an hundred and twenty princes, which should be over the whole kingdom;

Daniel 8:14KJV
And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

Daniel 12:11KJV
And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Below in Daniel 10:2-3 we see just another example of Daniel's literal weeks, as Daniel mourned and fasted for 3 literal weeks or 21 days.

Daniel 10:2-3KJV
2 In those days I Daniel was mourning three full weeks.
3 I ate no pleasant bread, neither came flesh nor wine in my mouth, neither did I anoint myself at all, till three whole weeks were fulfilled.

Below in Daniel 9:24-27 we see 70 literal "Future" weeks or 490 days.

When the "Future" call/commandment goes out in Jerusalem to build unto the Jewish Meshiach/Messiah that they wait for (They Denied Jesus Christ) this will start the 7 week period in preparing to build.

62 literal weeks will be in building, and Meshiach/Messiah will be cut off by the armies surrounding Jerusalem, this stops the building.

The 70th literal week will see (The Antichrist) revealed in making a covenant, and in the middle of this literal week he proclaims to be Meshiach/Messiah God to the Jews, and Jesus returned to the apostate church, to start a Millennium on earth.

The 3.5 year tribulation starts at this time.

Daniel 9:24-27KJV
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
 
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Brilliant. Thank you for the perfect explanation and God bless you for selflessly sharing God's words with the rest of us!
Many that follow reformed preterist eschatology ignore the words "Even Until The Consummation" this is a future event unfulfilled, it's that simple

Daniel's AOD is future, and the bad guy causing the Abomination and Desolation will be present on earth to the "Consummation" Ultimate End

"Future" Events Unfulfilled

This "Future" figure will be present on earth making (Abomination & Desolation) to the (Consummation) or (The Ultimate End) "Future" Event(s) Unfulfilled

(The Future Consummation)

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But
the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Merriam-Webster
Definition of consummation

1: the act of consummating the consummation of a contract by mutual signature specifically : the consummating of a marriage
2:
the ultimate end

Daniel's AOD (Even Until The Consummation) "Future"!

Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations
he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
 
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Daniel 9:24-27, Seventy Literal Weeks Explained "Future"?

Daniel's 70 weeks are literal 7 day periods, or 490 literal days.

If Daniel meant 490 years he would have written

(Four Hundred Ninety Years)

Daniel had no restrictions in "Writing" exact numerology as seen below.

Daniel 6:1KJV
It pleased Darius to set over the kingdom an hundred and twenty princes, which should be over the whole kingdom;

Daniel 8:14KJV
And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

Daniel 12:11KJV
And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Below in Daniel 10:2-3 we see just another example of Daniel's literal weeks, as Daniel mourned and fasted for 3 literal weeks or 21 days.

Daniel 10:2-3KJV
2 In those days I Daniel was mourning three full weeks.
3 I ate no pleasant bread, neither came flesh nor wine in my mouth, neither did I anoint myself at all, till three whole weeks were fulfilled.

Below in Daniel 9:24-27 we see 70 literal "Future" weeks or 490 days.

When the "Future" call/commandment goes out in Jerusalem to build unto the Jewish Meshiach/Messiah that they wait for (They Denied Jesus Christ) this will start the 7 week period in preparing to build.

62 literal weeks will be in building, and Meshiach/Messiah will be cut off by the armies surrounding Jerusalem, this stops the building.

The 70th literal week will see (The Antichrist) revealed in making a covenant, and in the middle of this literal week he proclaims to be Meshiach/Messiah God to the Jews, and Jesus returned to the apostate church, to start a Millennium on earth.

The 3.5 year tribulation starts at this time.

Daniel 9:24-27KJV
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
You really should save yourself and this forum the keystrokes and bytes. There is not one recognized proponent of the true faith in historical orthodox Christianity who espouses Daniel's 70 weeks as days.

Not one.

They are unanimous in the correct understanding of the weeks as years.

Nor does any such proponent declare as you do that Christ is antichrist.

That is modernist cultic dispensational fantasy and fallacy.
 

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You really should save yourself and this forum the keystrokes and bytes. There is not one recognized proponent of the true faith in historical orthodox Christianity who espouses Daniel's 70 weeks as days.

Not one.

They are unanimous in the correct understanding of the weeks as years.

Nor does any such proponent declare as you do that Christ is antichrist.

That is modernist cultic dispensational fantasy and fallacy.
From one who follows the false teachings of reformed preterist eschatology in 70AD fulfillment
 

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From the entire unanimous orthodox true Christian Church that rebuts you.
Your claims of the Roman Catholic Jesuit (Luis De Alcasar) the father of preterism, that you believe and teach