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amigo de christo
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Dear sister has arrived . Let all that has breath join in a praise fest unto the glorious LORD .
Having all HOPE above on HIM .
We will not always dwell in these bodies nor on this old world . JESUS IS COMING , and i for one , LONG FOR THAT DAY
where forever the lambs will be with the LORD who did save us . Lift those hands up and let the LORD be praised .
TILL then we mus point to CHRIST , all biblical sound doctrine , be in prayer , be reading the holy words ,
be hearers and doers of the word . POINTING to the ONLY NAME which saves , CHRIST JESUS the GLORIOUS LORD
Jesus is our entire Sanctification.
He is also the author and finisher of our faith.
Do you have Him in you? Are you born again?
So, when we are "In Christ", we are as spiritually sanctified as God Himself, as its God's Sanctification that is to have become "the righteousness of God in Christ'.
= Born again.
= "as Jesus is.... so are the born again IN this World".
Sanctification means to be 'set apart"., and the Born again are "not of this world". They are set apart from it, based on becoming born again into the Spirit of God, by the Spirit of God.. and are now "seated in heavenly places in Christ".
Thats reality.
Our Discipleship, is not our sanctification, its only our discipleship.
A lot of Christians confuse Salvation with Discipleship.
However......They are not the same.
Salvation is God offering His redeeming life to YOU as "the righteousness of GOD, in Christ".
This is a Gift, an = eternal gift, "The gift of Salvation" and "The Gift of Righteousness"... whereby God births your spirit into His own, and by this BORN AGAIN spiritual birth, you have become a Son/Daughter of God.
See that?
That is your sanctification, your salvation, and your eternal life.
He is also the author and finisher of our faith.
Do you have Him in you? Are you born again?
So, when we are "In Christ", we are as spiritually sanctified as God Himself, as its God's Sanctification that is to have become "the righteousness of God in Christ'.
= Born again.
= "as Jesus is.... so are the born again IN this World".
Sanctification means to be 'set apart"., and the Born again are "not of this world". They are set apart from it, based on becoming born again into the Spirit of God, by the Spirit of God.. and are now "seated in heavenly places in Christ".
Thats reality.
Our Discipleship, is not our sanctification, its only our discipleship.
A lot of Christians confuse Salvation with Discipleship.
However......They are not the same.
Salvation is God offering His redeeming life to YOU as "the righteousness of GOD, in Christ".
This is a Gift, an = eternal gift, "The gift of Salvation" and "The Gift of Righteousness"... whereby God births your spirit into His own, and by this BORN AGAIN spiritual birth, you have become a Son/Daughter of God.
See that?
That is your sanctification, your salvation, and your eternal life.
Discipleship, is you presenting your body and behavior back to God as your discipleship, subsequent to you being SANCTIFIED and Redeemed by the Blood of Jesus.
To be redeemed by the Blood of the Lamb is to be BORN AGAIN as "made righteous".
Discipleship that follows SALVATiON....... has no effect on being originally "made Righteous', which is our entire sanctification, as "born again".
We are eternally "made righteous" by God through the BLOOD of JESUS.
The born again have God's very righteousness because God it to the born again as this..>"The GIFT of Righteousness", and "The GIFT of Salvation".
So, the born again can't become more righteous,.... but we can learn to exist in "renewed mind" perfection as a disciple, which is to have the mind of Christ = which is to walk in the Spirit.
To become "perfected" and exist as "the fullness of the Stature of Christ" as Paul teaches.... is not found by deeds. Its only found by having a perfectly renewed Mind that always and only reflects God's perspective of who we are as a born again NEW CREATION,= made so by God Himself as born again.
Notice that the NT teaches you that you please God by "faith", and that faith isn't deeds and works...but rather its found in perfected understanding....
= renewed MIND..
That is the REAL walk of Faith, and when you exist in this Right understanding = regarding who you have become "in Christ", = you are existing in the renewed mind, which is to walk in the Spirit.
That's how you live the sanctified life that is pleasing to God, and this state of revelation knowledge....to exist in it, is as Paul says....= "as many as be perfect'.
To be redeemed by the Blood of the Lamb is to be BORN AGAIN as "made righteous".
Discipleship that follows SALVATiON....... has no effect on being originally "made Righteous', which is our entire sanctification, as "born again".
We are eternally "made righteous" by God through the BLOOD of JESUS.
The born again have God's very righteousness because God it to the born again as this..>"The GIFT of Righteousness", and "The GIFT of Salvation".
So, the born again can't become more righteous,.... but we can learn to exist in "renewed mind" perfection as a disciple, which is to have the mind of Christ = which is to walk in the Spirit.
To become "perfected" and exist as "the fullness of the Stature of Christ" as Paul teaches.... is not found by deeds. Its only found by having a perfectly renewed Mind that always and only reflects God's perspective of who we are as a born again NEW CREATION,= made so by God Himself as born again.
Notice that the NT teaches you that you please God by "faith", and that faith isn't deeds and works...but rather its found in perfected understanding....
= renewed MIND..
That is the REAL walk of Faith, and when you exist in this Right understanding = regarding who you have become "in Christ", = you are existing in the renewed mind, which is to walk in the Spirit.
That's how you live the sanctified life that is pleasing to God, and this state of revelation knowledge....to exist in it, is as Paul says....= "as many as be perfect'.
amigo de christo
Well-Known Member
Second thess also makes mention of something .
Something this all inclusive generation knows nothing about .
IT clearly states that God WILL SEND a strong delusion unto those who , REJECTED THE GOSEPL , REJECTED THE LOVE of the TRUTH
whereby they might be saved . AND THEY WILL BELIEVE A LIE and they WILL BE DAMNED .
I See a fat lie getting embraced by this GOSPEL REJECTING GENERATION .
A lie which has many from all religoins and secular believing . THAT GOD IS FINE WITH ALL PATHS
ONE DOES NOT HAVE TO BELIEVE IN JESUS , FOLLOW whatever religoin or path you like , JUST COME TOGETHER as one
in this lovey do junk . THAT GO SPELL , IT CANT SAVE THEM BEHOLD . ITS A LIE and this lie
is what all religoins are now FINDING COMMON GROUND AS ONE WITHIN .
SOMETHING IS GOING ON and i warn us all that the day of the LORD draws ever nigh .
LOOK at the main ones in this lie . men like pope francis , WHOSE INFLUENCE is great in this world and over its religions .
AND what is their call all about , LETS BE ONE for WORLD PEACE AND SAFETY .
NOW GO read the end of first thess , the fifth chapter , and see what they be hollering RIGHT BEFORE THE WRATH OF GOD COMETH
upon them . a hint , PEACE N SAFETY . OH yeah things are moving RIGHT INTO THE VERY END HOUR , just as it was foretold
Amen brother-I notice you are SOAKED with the Scriptures!
It just comes pouring out, like rivers of living waters!
Stay grounded and rooted in Christ Jesus, as I know you do my brother.
Yours-
Johann.
Amen brother-I notice you are SOAKED with the Scriptures!
It just comes pouring out, like rivers of living waters!
Stay grounded and rooted in Christ Jesus, as I know you do my brother.
Yours-
Johann.
We are in the last days.. And there is an epidemic of "works as salvation", theology, that denies the Grace of God.
It pretends not to...but, it does.
Im on a lot of forums, and i talk to so many people who sound like this.......
"yes, YES... i KNOW.... the Cross is Salvation, but see..........its all about works"
And what is their work?
They come to a forum and post endless Posts about "works".
And actually its not about "works", at all.
See, God is looking for vessels, .. not workers.
Walking in real faith....is actually all about "I die daily" so that God can manifest HIS Love and HIS Life, into this world as "Light for Life" through that yielded Vessel.
Most believers are their own fruit bearing tree of self righteousness...., and they have a list of a 1000 "do's" to work on... to prove to themselves they are "so serious" about it.
God is not in that situation, as that is 'Me doing it"........whereas real Christianity is God doing it through us.
Thats a different LIFE.
amigo de christo
Well-Known Member
And that is the POINT . Look at what this all inclusive lie is really saying .
IT SAYS NO NEED TO BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIST , YE CAN HAVE YOUR OWN WAY TO GOD through this lovey do crap .
ITS ALL SELF RIGTHEOUSNESS . IT DENIES the ONLY NAME WHEREBY ONE CAN BE SAVED and BE MADE RIGHTEOUS .
Budda cant make them rightoues behold , ,nor can it save them . ITS ALL A LIE
same with the muslim religoin , same with any religoin . OUR FAITH HOPE AND TRUST MUST BE IN THE CHRIST OF GOD
CHRIST JESUS , or its all in vain . SELF RIGHTEOUS FALSE LOVE . cause any love that omits the DIRE NEED TO BELIEVE ON CHRIST
IS SELF RIGHTEOUS LOVE , and thus its false .
2Th 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
BELAHAVEI EISH ("in flaming fire" YESHAYAH 66:15), giving Onesh to the ones not knowing Hashem and to the ones not obeying the Besuras HaGeulah of [Moshiach] Yehoshua Adoneinu.
What happened @Behold?-this verse clearly teaches that we need to yield obedience to the gospel-correct?
Johann.
amigo de christo
Well-Known Member
Ps the next time miss doo good oprah wimphrey , or this pope francis , or any other says
THEY DONT HAVE TO BELIEVE IN CHRIST JESUS , that GOD is working through all religoins and all are finding him in their own way .
REMIND THEM of what JOHN said about those who did not believe JESUS is the CHRIST .
JOHN KNEW TRUTH , these clowns DO NOT .
JOHN said this in HIS first letter the church , HE who believes NOT , that JESUS IS THE CHRIST .......
drum roll .................
get ready for it .
HE IS ANTI CHRIST .
Notice john didnt say as does francis and scores of others
HE who believes not that JESUS is the CHRIST , HEY THEY DONT HAVE TOO , THEY JUST NEED TO LOVE
they can beleive as they see fit . SEE THE MAJOR DIFFERENCE IN THAT .
THEY LIE TO US BEHOLD . THEY LIE TO US . they preach ANTI CHRIST RELIGON , the religoin that says THEY DONT HAVE
TO BELIEVE JESUS IS THE CHRIST . Yeah . i just exposed this all inclusive pope pipe dream lie for exactly what it is
and from whence it cometh . ANTI CHRIST . JOHN was right , they are WRONG .
amigo de christo
Well-Known Member
BIG TIME . Yes indeed my friend . WE GONNA POINT TO JESUS CHRIST . Now praise the LORD .
The verse is teaching the 2nd Advent of Jesus.
He's coming back to take vengeance against "those who obey not The Gospel".
So, that is in the Grt Trib, and that is = "against those who obey not the Gospel"..
That is "unbelievers"... as to Obey the Gospel, is to believe in Jesus........And because the born again have, they wont be in the Trib when Christ the King comes to deal with those who have never believed. (never obeyed the Gospel).
Ritajanice
Born-Again
So "free will" is out the backdoor-we are passive, and let God do ta ergoi through us?
Act 13:2 As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them.
Php 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure
1) "For it is God which worketh in you" (theou gar estin ho energon en humin) "For God is the one working (operating) in you," Heb_13:21. God works in the believer preserving them in salvation and leading them to obedient service, Php_1:6; Rom_8:14.
2) "Both to will and to do his good pleasure" (kai to thelein kai to energein huper tes eudokias) " h to will and to operate (do or work) on behalf of his good will," Joh_1:13; Joh_7:17. God's Holy Spirit initiates every impulse in men that enables them to will, to choose and to do the will of God, Rom_7:18; Pro_16:1; Heb_13:20-21.
GH
Transliteration: Aphorisate
Morphology: V-AMA-2P
Verb - Aorist Imperative Active - 2nd Person Plural
Strong's no.: G873 (ἀφορίζω)
Meaning: To rail off, separate, place apart.
ἔργον
Transliteration: ergon
Morphology: N-ANS
Noun - Accusative Neuter Singular
Strong's no.: G2041 (ἔργον)
Meaning: Work, task, employment; a deed, action; that which is wrought or made, a work.
Transliteration: ergon
Morphology: N-NNS
Noun - Nominative Neuter Singular
Strong's no.: G2041 (ἔργον)
Meaning: Work, task, employment; a deed, action; that which is wrought or made, a work.
προσκέκλημαι
Transliteration: proskeklēmai
Morphology: V-RIM/P-1S
Verb - Perfect Indicative Middle or Passive - 1st Person Singular
Strong's no.: G4341 (προσκαλέω)
Meaning: To call to oneself, summon.
Once we are called/summoned by the Spirt-we have to ergon to do-our freewill working in harmony with the Spirit-or are you against freewill?
Johann.
Ritajanice
Born-Again
Paul said..."I die daily"...
What he's explaining, is that the reason that he.... "has done more than all the other apostles combined" (more than 11 or 12 other Apostles combined)..
= .... is because its "Christ who works in me, mightily"..... Paul said.
See that?
That is a willing Vessel, obedient, but not to works...or self effort........ only to God's will, direction, and purpose.
This is why Paul says He can do "all things through Christ", and never said.....>>"i can do all things through my hard work and self effort".
See, when you do it that way, Johann, you end up here......
A.) Jesus said......"apart from me you can do NOTHING".
Big difference between believe/trust and obeying the gospel-
And that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. - Who do not embrace it, and practice its precepts in their lives-
Transliteration: hypakouousin
Morphology: V-PIA-3P
Verb - Present Indicative Active - 3rd Person Plural
Strong's no.: G5219 (ὑπακούω)
Meaning: To listen, hearken to, obey, answer.
Those who obey not the gospel are all, whether Jews or Gentiles, to whose knowledge God’s good news of Christ is brought, and who reject the message. Obedience is practical faith, the submission of heart and life to the demands of Christ. This is what such men refuse; they will not say, “Jesus is Lord” (1Co_12:3; Php_2:10). And the wilful rejecters of Christ became furious persecutors.
Johann.
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