Entire Sanctification = "In Christ"

[07-07-07]

The reason the born again have no sin, is because Jesus has their sin... and died for them ALL.

So.....What do the born again now have as their Salvation?

"The GIFT......of Righteousness".

Whose Righteousness?

A.) God's.

So, if the born again have God's Righteousness, then they are never going to be defiled, as they are always going to be "made righteous" by God's "gift of Righteousness."

Welcome to : Salvation

Its a eternal "GIFT".

So Behold, are you saying that one is instantly walking in God's righteousness and holiness the minute Jesus's blood atones for their sins?

 

[Randy Kluth]

Misunderstanding I think.

Very much in favour of the Holy Spirit leading me through Behold, Praise God I’m starting to grow again in the Lords knowledge.

I do believe the Lord led me to Behold....as he really speaks to me through the Spirit....that’s my opinion and belief,Brother.thats all I’m saying.

I'm fine with you learning from Behold, as long as you don't pick up on his boasting. Jesus even argued that his disciples could follow what the hypocritical Pharisees taught, but not what they actually do!

Matt 23.3 So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.

But Paul warned that Christians could be as hypocritical as the Pharisees. Therefore, we can listen to them, but be aware that they may also be wolves operating in among the flock of God.

2 Cor 11.4 For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the Spirit you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough.... 19 You gladly put up with fools since you are so wise! 20 In fact, you even put up with anyone who enslaves you or exploits you or takes advantage of you or puts on airs or slaps you in the face...30 If I must boast, I will boast of the things that show my weakness.

Behold does not exude a humble spirit, but freely boasts as if there is none greater. Watch out for someone claiming to teach "truth" without God's true Spirit. My purpose here is not to claim Behold is not a Christian but to ensure that he not only teaches the Gospel, but also practices the Gospel when attempting to teach other Christians.

 

[Johann]

Lest my GOD shall humble me and i shall BEWAIL many who have sinned and not repented .
PRIDE is anything which exalts itself against GOD , His teachings HIS WORD .
Pride can often come in a fake humility form . They can appear to be humble and gentle
but beware , for many are filled with REBELLION , WITH PRIDE . REBELLION , i say , OF THE WORD AND THE WORDS OF GOD .
Rebellion is as the SIN OF WITCHCRAFT . Take heed we must . Take heed unto all things given us
in the scriptures . TAKE HEED unto the SPIRIT and heed not the flesh .
Many are now preaching open rebellion against GOD . And worse they have come in and do use the very name
of HIS CHRIST . But they preach REBELLION . For no matter if a man uses HIS NAME
if the man is in open rebellion , teaching and speaking things that are evil and calling them good
and calling good evil . THEY ARE IN REBELLION and under the guise of the Man of lawlessness . And inquity has
abounded and through a love that preaches OPEN REBELLION against GOD and HIS CHRIST
have many now fallen prey to a lie that simply cannot and will not save them . STAY IN the BIBLE
and let us simply exhort the HOLY TRUTH of the doctrine which giveth instruction in righteousness
so that the man of GOD may be throughly furnished unto ALLLLLLLLL good works . SEE , PAUL KNEW THE DIRE
importance of SCRIPTURE . We must contend for the true faith till our last breath .

Hence the constant need of testing/trying the spirits brother, I need to be edified and stand in need of correction, as I, through the Spirit, seek to edify, hopefully, others as well.
Johann.

 

[Behold]

This is the problem, as I discern it, brother. You are high as a kite on yourself and view *your discipleship* as equal with *God's discipleship.*

Yet, im not here teaching that you have to offer God an agreement to do something, a work, so that God will Save a person.
Ive quoted you teaching that, and you had nothing to say about that, at all.

 

[amigo de christo]

As always, please feel free to correct error if and when you find it brother-I was up very early this morning, listening to uncle Bob on Romans 6-reminds me of this-


Act 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
Act 17:12 Therefore many of them believed; also of honourable women which were Greeks, and of men, not a few.

--and here, take heart brother-

Php 3:12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.
Php 3:13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,
Php 3:14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
Php 3:15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.
Php 3:16 Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing.
Php 3:17 Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.
Php 3:18 (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:
Php 3:19 Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)
Php 3:20 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:
Php 3:21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

Uncle Bob have a powerful preaching on this portion of Scripture brother, and I "feel" like I'm walking on a cloud-there's still hope for me and hope deferred makes the heart sick.

Shalom to you and family
Johann 6:16 PM.

So long as JESUS IS OUR HOPE , we have all HOPE indeed my friend .
But to hope in men and in their contrary teachings is a hope that is vain and it cannot lead the blind .
Peter was right . He too warned of what would come upon the church .
As there were false prophets among the people , so too will be there be false teachers among you .
Who through damnable heresays shall speak evil of and even DENY the very LORD .
And , take note my friend on the next word , MANY , mANY shall follow their perniscious ways
by reason of whom the way of TRUTH shall be evil spoken of . JESUS warned HIS Own .
He warned them and they by the SPIRIT warned the churches .
Many have come from within and have led many to a lie of upmost deceptoins that cannot and will not save them .
For their delusions , their version of truth , IS CONTRADICTING and BLASPHEMING the very one they claim to FOLLOW .
EVIL is being projected as good , Darkness is being portrayed as a light ,
but no marvel . Satan himself who is darkness , can appear as an angel of light .
SO too can his ministirs come right on in and appear as men of righteousness when in truth they are men who preach
lawlessness and the love of sin and evil . Watch out cause they are highly crafity and very subtile indeed .
They know and have learned well how to take captive the simple , the double minded right unto a lie and lies .
This is far more serious than folks realize . JESUS warned us , JESUS foretold it all . JESUS and later the apostels
warned us of how it would look nigh the end . And the number one warning JESUS gave when they asked
HIM how it would look . HIS FIRST DIRE WARNING was ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,TAKE HEED UNTO YOURSELVES
For many false prophets shall arise ,to beware of wolves in SHEEPS ATTIRE . BEWARE OF WOLVES IN SHEEPS CLOTHING .
BEWARE of wolves , not in wolves clothing , not in wordly clothing , BUT IN SHEEPS CLOTHING .

 

[Johann]

I'm fine with you learning from Behold, as long as you don't pick up on his boasting. Jesus even argued that his disciples could follow what the hypocritical Pharisees taught, but not what they actually do!

Matt 23.3 So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.

But Paul warned that Christians could be as hypocritical as the Pharisees. Therefore, we can listen to them, but be aware that they may also be wolves operating in among the flock of God.

2 Cor 11.4 For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the Spirit you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough.... 19 You gladly put up with fools since you are so wise! 20 In fact, you even put up with anyone who enslaves you or exploits you or takes advantage of you or puts on airs or slaps you in the face...30 If I must boast, I will boast of the things that show my weakness.

Behold does not exude a humble spirit, but freely boasts as if there is none greater. Watch out for someone claiming to teach "truth" without God's true Spirit. My purpose here is not to claim Behold is not a Christian but to ensure that he not only teaches the Gospel, but also practices the Gospel when attempting to teach other Christians.

Well said-what Bible translation was that?

 

[Behold]

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So I would go farther and say that when we choose to believe in Christ we are simultaneously choosing to *follow Christ.* That is, we choose to follow what he represents, as well--his righteousness and the basis of his atonement for our sins. We agree to live in partnership with God,

Nice modification

Now you are teaching that to be saved, is to be in automatic agreement to do the works of a Believer.

So, any way you want to spin it, flip it, change it, in your next 15 posts..... = you are still teaching that GOD does not save you unless you offer some AGREEMENT to behave later, and if you make that commitment, then God will save you.

So, thats a lie.
Salvation is a GIFT.
The REQUIREMENT to RECEIVE THE GIFT of SALVATiON is...

"all that BELIEVE"
"as many as BELIEVE"
"all that CALL on the name of Jesus"

= Shall be saved.

""Salvation is Grace through faith, without WORKS, or the deeds of the law"

 

[Ritajanice]

'm fine with you learning from Behold, as long as you don't pick up on his boasting. Jesus even argued that his disciples could follow what the hypocritical Pharisees taught, but not what they actually do!

I am very sorry,but, I see no boasting from Behold, in fact I see the complete opposite.

You see boasting, no problems......I don’t see any boasting whatsoever....so we will have to agree to disagree on this one.

 

[amigo de christo]

Nice modification

Now you are teaching that to be saved, is to be in automatic agreement to do the works of a Believer.

So, any way you want to spin it, flip it, change it, in your next 15 posts..... = you are still teaching that GOD does not save you unless you offer some AGREEMENT to behave later, and if you make that commitment, then God will save you.

So, thats a lie.
Salvation is a GIFT.
The REQUIREMENT to RECEIVE THE GIFT of SALVATiON is...

"all that BELIEVE"
"as many as BELIEVE"
"all that CALL on the name of Jesus"

= Shall be saved.

""Salvation is Grace through faith, without WORKS, or the deeds of the law"

VERY TRUE . The only way to be saved , IS TO BELIEVE ON THE CHRIST WHO HAS SAVED .
Now , i would like you to entertain this next question .
How come others are now preaching , muslims , buddists , atheiest , hindus and whatever doos
are saved , do know GOD . WE CANT HAVE IT BOTH WAYS .
SO say it with me . YE MUST BELIEVE IN CHRIST JESUS .
IS there such a thing as the ablity to preach another jesus another gospel . MANY DO .
Examine the muslim version of jesus . THEY dont BELIEVE HE IS THE CHRIST , they dont believe HE is the SON OF GOD .
Now lets see what john has to say about that .
If one believes NOT THAT JESUS IS THE CHRIST , that is ANTI CHRIST .
SO , oopsy this all inclusive religoin that is teaching that it dont matter what religion one follows or believes
so long as they do some good , have this so called love , they are fine and know GOD . IS OF ANTI CHRIST .
Say it with me . Let no man follow another jesus or another gospel , nor even teach it once .
Either we preach JESUS CHRIST or its all vain and boy do i mean VAIN .

 

[Behold]

Saying you post more than anyone is likely untrue and at any rate a pretty boastful thing to say.

I wasn't talking to you.
I was talking to Mr Cut and Paste, who can't seem to realize that to teach the Blood Atonement as : 1 Corinthians 1:30, does not preclude Discipleship.

See, Johann, read the Title of My Thread, and perhaps read some of it, and decided that im not talking about doing works.
His theology is that, you can't be Sanctified, unless you are trying to do good works. He calls it "progressive' but he means..>"its how you are sanctified" as if God has no part in it...
He didn't understand my Thread, as He does not understand 1 Corinthians 1:30.
But he's getting closer.

And its not "boasting" to tell the person who is having issues understanding that this Thread is not trying to promote a lack of Discipleship, by showing Him that BEHOLD is doing a lot of literal works, here also.

 

[amigo de christo]

Now some might say , BUT so long as they LOVE GOD and love one another they do know GOD .
To which i remind us all , IF THEY LOVE NOT CHRIST , THEY DONT LOVE GOD WHO SENT HIM
IF they REJECT the CHRIST OF GOD , THEY REJECT GOD .
I leave us with JESUS OWN words, HE had spoke to even the jews . IF YE HAD LOVED GOD
YE WOULD HAVE LOVED ME , FOR I CAME FORTH OF GOD .
Now i know some might even say
but hey the muslims claim torah , moses and etc .
TO which i say again , AS JESUS TOLD the jews who claimed to follow MOSES and TORAH .
HAD YE TRULY BELIEVED MOSES , YOU WOULD HAVE BELIEVED ME .
MUSLIMS FAIL THE TEST . as do and as does any other false religion . THE ABRHAMIC FAITH
IS not the three faiths . ITS ONE FAITH and that is FAITH IN CHRIST ALONE
The abrahamic faiths getting preached today , IS A LIE TO UNITE THE RELIGIONS IN DARKNESS .
Abrahams faith was in GOD . IF our faith is in GOD , IT WOULD HAVE BEEN IN HIS CHRIST . PEROID .

 

[Johann]

See, Johann, read the Title of My Thread, and perhaps read some of it, and decided that im not talking about doing works.
His theology is that, you can't be Sanctified, unless you are trying to do good works. He calls it "progressive' but he means..>"its how you are sanctified" as if God has no part in it...
He didn't understand my Thread, as He does not understand 1 Corinthians 1:30.
But he's getting closer.

Brother-don't misrepresent me, you speak half truths, not the full aleithia/chochmah as written in Scriptures.

 

[07-07-07]

Jesus paid the price that we could never pay, and His blood washes a contrite person's sin away at the moment of confession from the heart. This is Salvation. The Scriptures further reveal that walking in God's holiness and righteousness is a byproduct of one's Salvation; it isn't Salvation, but rather the evidence of it. It would be impossible for someone who has really been born again refusing to be recreated into God's holiness and righteousness thereafter. There are things a born again person must do once Salvation has been received.

Ephesians 4
21 If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:
22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
25 Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another.
26 Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:
27 Neither give place to the devil.
28 Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.
29 Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.
30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
31 Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:
32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

 

[Behold]

I did that, what happened,I burnt out as I was trying to show God how nice, kind,loving,etc,etc...doing in my own strength....it’s all a learning process in the Spirit @Behold .....has taken years and years for God to renew my mind, he’s still doing it to this very day......

Yes, i totally understand.

You have discovered the wonder of God's power.
The deliverance from SELF effort.

This is not to stop doing......its to stop doing to try to be ACCEPTED by God, based on PERFORMANCE.

We all have to learn........"When we work..(Performance to be accepted) .....God rests....but when we REST in God's Grace, God works."

At one time, Paul said.....>"that which i want to do, i can't, and that which i hate, i do".... and he also said ..."who will deliver me from this body of death".

That situation is..."im trying to do it, and i can't"

Then He teaches that Christ delivered Him from his self effort into ..."Christ always gives me the VICTORY".

You just described it..., and the relief that comes when we understand that God saved us so that HE can empower us to life the Life of Christ, is actually to REST from trying ..... = which is REAL FAITH......, and then we begin to exist as : "i can do all things Through Christ".

 

[Ritajanice]

You just described it..., and the relief that comes when we understand that God saved us so that HE can empower us to life the Life of Christ, is actually to REST from trying which is REAL FAITH......, and then we begin to exist as : "i can do all things Through Christ".

EXCELLENT!!.....Amen!!

Praise God for speaking to me through Behold......in fact I say....HALLELUJAH!!

 

[Behold]

So Behold, are you saying that one is instantly walking in God's righteousness and holiness the minute Jesus's blood atones for their sins?

Let me show you what God did, so that you can see it.


WE, you and me..........were sinners.
We had no Righteousness......as "all have SINNED".

"all have sinned".

"all".

So, For us to be re-joined To God...... we have to be as Righteous, as SINLESS, as God.

You've noticed that there is no sin in heaven?
So, if you have any, you wont be going to heaven. and confessing sin daily, is not the way there.
Sin was found in Satan, and he's not up there now.
So, if you want to go to heaven, then God has to deal with yours, all of it.... as you can't....as "all have sinned".

What did God do about your sin ?
?
He came down here, as Christ on the Cross, and died for ALL your SIN.
Not, 25% of it, as then you'd still have 75%.

So, God "hath made JESUS to be SIN....for us".

This is the "Blood Atonement"
This is the "New Covenant".

"Jesus, is the one time ETERNAL SACRIFICE for SIN".... Not some, but "SIN".

If you read 2 Corinthians 5:19, you will read that God was IN CHRIST, not counting your sin against you.
Why?
Because Christ has died for them, on the Cross, 2000 yrs ago.

Now, when you trust in Christ, God takes your sin, and Jesus dies for them all.
They are gone.
You are "without sin" as Jesus has them on the Cross, and DIED FOR YOUR SIN.

Follow me so far, 07-07-07?

(how about you, Reader)?

Now, why did Jesus have to pay for, die for ALL your sin?
Its so that you can be "made free from sin"... Romans 6:22

Now, listen........if you have trusted in Christ, then "God hath made Jesus to be sin for us".

This means we dont have it......and now being "made free from sin".......God can have us, as He could not have us until we had no more sin.
God could not bring us into Himself, as spiritually born again, until Christ had ALL our sin.

God had to deal with all our sin, before He could give us the new birth, into Himself .. (Spiritual Union with God) = Born again.
He could not join us to Himself, Spiritually, until we were "made free from Sin".

And That is why The Cross is Given to the World.

Welcome to : Salvation

Its a "GIFT".

 

[marks]

Feeling is mutual brother-I'm not here to accuse you, but I do realize I can come on strong, too strong for some.
God bless
Johann.

There are a series of teaching on Rom 6 brother.

I'm listening to this right now. One thing that concerns me is that he's talking about dialectic interpretation, which for me is a red flag. I'll need to hear where he goes with this.

Much love!

 

[07-07-07]

Salvation comes through God's grace, and what does grace teach us?

Titus 2
11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

 

[Behold]

VERY TRUE . The only way to be saved , IS TO BELIEVE ON THE CHRIST WHO HAS SAVED .

Jesus is Salvation.
Jesus is Eternal Life
Jesus is Redemption from sin
Jesus is the Only Way to the Father. John 14:6
Jesus is The Resurrection
Jesus is Holiness
Jesus is Righteousness


If we are born again, then we have all that, because """""Christ is IN US< and we are In Christ".

 

[07-07-07]

Welcome to : Salvation

Its a "GIFT".

If I receive a new car as gift from someone special, and neglect that free gift by parking it outside with the doors unlocked, the theif will come along and steal my free gift from me. It was a gift, but I neglected it and lost it.