Estimated Dates of the Events of the 1 Year Great Tribulation of the Earth

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shnarkle

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Oh yes agree as you mention "AS LONG AS WE PLACE OUR TRUST IN..."
But right there you are presuming that we ARE!!
For decades we have been very aware that one morning we will wake up and the money in our bank account is worth nothing. ( I don't believe the day is very far away...but there again, 30 yrs ago I didn't think the day was far away... )

Every tried picking fruit here at minus 40 below freezing? I would love to.
We have three months of summer here...

And guess what..we were in England in the 70's and GOD spoke to us to Emigrate to Alberta Canada...we did not choose it.

Our confidence and trust is in Him...it sure isn't in ourselves or the system. God is not half as interested in 'saving the flesh' as we are.. :D
Some try to move heaven and earth to stay alive ...
Our times are in His hands...

David did care about his flesh...but he had his focus on GOD/
Ps 31:15- " My times are in thy hand: deliver me from the hand of mine enemies, and from them that persecute me.
Make thy face to shine upon thy servant: save me for thy mercies' sake."

If it is not our time, He will, if it is our time...He wont.

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So true! However, I'm not talking about saving the flesh. I'm talking about taking care of the temple God has given us to care for, and that includes those around us as well. God says move to Canada so you move. Maybe it's not yet time for you to receive God's next message, but God always has a new message. That's why it's called the good NEWS. There's a time to move to Canada, and there's a time to built a greenhouse, and a time to plant as well.

I never know who said it first. it's been attributed to Luther and other, but regardless it is said that if he knew the earth would end tomorrow, he would still plant a tree today. We're told to not slack off as if our master is not returning, but to continue to work until he gets here. Maybe he'll be here tomorrow. If that's the case, it's a good idea to be busy when he gets here.
 
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I agree with you about fiat currency. It's absurd. And yes, it's a system based on fraud.
Just the same . . .
This is a remarkable admission. To admit that the system we're using is a blatant deception, and fraudulent, and then simply continue to knowlingly engage in this fraud sounds a bit too cavalier, don't you think? Where do we draw the line with this principle? We know that adultery is wrong, but just the same...
I am not changing weights. So how am I guilty of using unjust weights?
God's law doesn't talk about changing weights, but using unjust weights and measures. That is precisely what the banking cartels of the world are doing. The whole banking system is fraudulent. It is literally theft by fraud. However, there are some countries that are slowly implementing alternatives that aren't based upon fraud, or at least this is their claim; time will tell.

The banking cartels have set up a shell game called the Federal Reserve. It has no money in its account. They then write a check on this account that has no money. If anyone else were to try this they would be convicted of fraud and tossed into prison, but the banking cartels got together and wrote up legislation, and sent their page boys (aka congressmen) to bring it to a vote. Now they can write these bogus checks legally, which are then used to buy bombs or social programs, and those who are running these programs (including private for profit prisons, etc) get this money when it's worth something. This is one of the features of "crony capitalism". They then spend the money, and as the money is deposited into their bank accounts, 10x that amount is lent out. It is "created" by these loans.

All of this money creation results in more dollars chasing fewer products which is soaked up in higher prices. This is not inflation, but the effect of inflation. What people don't realize is that we already have hyperinflation, much worse than what occured in Zimbabwe or Germany. The only difference is that the money hasn't started to flood back into the US. It will once China, and a few other countries realize that they're not going to get paid back in anything but dollars that are rapidly becomeing worthless.

When they finally wise up, and it's already happening; they will look for whatever hard assets they can buy up with what they have, and the dollar will finally reach its intrinsic value; zero. The reason is that people will suddenly wake up to the fact that they've been screwed over, and a lot of people are going to be very angry at the government, but they need to take responsibility for their error now, and get their money out of this satanic system so that after everything falls apart, they will have the resources to help others instead of being one of the suckers who decided that eating weeds was preferable to starvation.

The system is designed to rip you off. God doesn't call his people to be suckers. The guy who comes back with no talents because the Fed suckered him is no better than the guy who comes back with the two talents God gave him.
How exactly can paper fiat money be equal to the mark of the beast? That makes no sense to me whatsoever. None. I'm using the tools provided by my society, and I'm not violating the laws of trust or love.
This world's society is not God's society. Trusting in Mammon is not love. Paper fiat currency is literally pretending that debt is an asset. This is blatant insanity. The money that you "deposit" in your bank account is not your money at all. The investment banking system was merged with the saving system, so now all of your money is now collateral for the bank's bets, and they are literally no different than a bet some sucker makes in a casino.

If Chase, or Wells Fargo, or whatever bank you put "your" money into, loses even one of their big bets, the very first money used to cover their losses will be "your" money. The reason why is that they have a fiduciary responsibility to their primary shareholders. Their general shareholders are also screwed as well, and if the loss is big enough everyone loses their money. The only ones who don't lose money are those running the scam. The lenders, investment managers, etc. keep their commissions, and as soon as the collapse goes into full swing, they will all fly off to their island getaways in the Caribbean, the Bahamas, etc. and retire.
I'm trusting in God to provide for my needs, and of my family, and I'm trusting in God to lead me where He wants me to go.
Those who would save "their" life will lose it. Jesus says you can't work for money and God. He isn't using hyperbole when he says to sell everything, give the proceeds to the poor and follow him. Contrary to those who promote this as a means of following Christ, this is actually the direct consequent of discovering the kingdom. This can only happen to those who have discovered the kingdom in the first place. It is not a means to follow Christ.
 

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And I'm giving myself the best I can to the service of others, because I want them to know the Love of God, I want my wife to know how much God loves her, in that He gave her a servant to take care of her, and the quality of that servant's care is what must reflect the goodness of our God's love.
I appreciate getting out of the system. I appreciate doing such things as our conscience tells us to do.
On the surface it all sounds quite good, but we must endeavor to rightly divide the word. The entire New Testament scripture's references to sound doctrine are explicit references to the scriptures that existed at that time which was the Old Testament scriptures, and they plainly point out that it is wrong to do what you feel is right "in their own eyes", or according to your conscience. The reason is that we have God's word instructing us on how to live our lives, and God doesn't say it's okay to rely upon the beast system.

This was just as true during Jesus' day as it is today. Governments have been debasing their currencies for millennia. Unlike back then, it is now openly admitted and condoned. It is completely insane that no one sees that they're making fools of everyone.

But let's suppose . . . I have a pound of heroin . . . when I realize . . . heroin is EVIL. So instead of keeping a pound of evil heroin, I sell it all, or trade it away. But why would I pass on to someone else what I believe to be evil? If I truly believe that?
Good point. The first thing to note here in your analogy is you're admitting that it's evil. You're taking a more direct approach which is good, and quite admirable. No one would condemn you for simply flushing it down the toilet, and getting on with your life without it. However, your analogy isn't quite accurate.

By giving the heroin away, you're actually helping the beast system to fail, which is inevitable. The heroin addict isn't going to stop using heroin just because you flush it all down the toilet. He just has to rob a few more houses to get his fix. Moreover, it is part of God's plan that those who take the mark, take the mark. His plan is that some take God's mark, and the rest take the mark of the beast. You're simply trading one mark for the other one. So you can keep the mark of the beast if you really think you're doing anyone else a favor, but they're not going to take God's mark just because you decided to take the mark of the beast.

More to the point for me, I completely believe I am where I am for a reason, including in my job, for which I receive a paycheck, which turns into fiat cash, which I take to the store for groceries.
The scriptures point out that those who take the mark of the beast are deceived. in other words, everyone who takes the mark of the beast believes in their heart that they're doing the right thing. This is not the criteria to make a decision of this magnitude. The only criteria has to be God's law. God's standard trumps personal beliefs. It is no coincidence that Abraham is the father of the faith either. God says to Abraham, "Pull up stakes and go...." God doesn't even tell Abraham where he wants him to go. Abraham has no clue, and it doesn't matter because Abraham knows that it isn't about what he believes, or any of the reasons why he thinks he's where he's supposed to be, or continuing with the status quo.

Can I supply my needs in my apartment? For we live in an apartment. No. In fact, I have to have cash to pay for that apartment. And my patio doesn't produce a crop. I've tried, as I love to garden. But where I am, no.
Where there's a will there's a way. Again, i think I may have mentioned my friend on his bicycle who has bumper harvests, and has nothing other than a pair of pruning shears and some boxes he carries on his bike. No land, no crops planted. He literally reaps where he has never sown. He is reaping the blessings God grants to those who he has revealed his abundance. An abundant harvest comes directly from God.

So should I leave where I am so I can avoid government money? Is that what God wants? I'm convinced He wants me right here. I'm not to abandon my post.
Then there is nothing left to do, except what you firmly are convinced of in you heart.

QUOTE="gaviria.christian, post: 647413, member: 8402"]Because it is not the will of God that we be left out on the street naked with nothing.
Isn't that better than participating in the Mark of the Beast?
You seem to be changing your tune here with regards to gavaria's comment.
I'm not convinced you are consistent in your belief.
This is a bit ironic to say the least.
If fiat currency is the mark of the beast, then it's better to be dead, isn't it?
Yep, but one doesn't need to kill themselves to simply die to this world.
Rather than continuing to benefit from the MOB cash?
There is no benefit, but yes you're better off not continuing to use it. There is no way you can begin down that path without faith though. So there's no point even considering it unless your heart is compelling you to in the first place. It will never happen if it isn't God's will, and that can never happen until one is ready to see the kingdom.
 

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Tell that to the believers in N. Korea and Sudan.
There are plenty in the US as well, and they are doing this intentionally. They don't just point out that it is God's will, they point out that they are willingly complying as well.

They walked away from their material wealth because they saw that it was nothing but worthless garbage in comparison to the kingdom.