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Featured Estimated Dates of the Events of the 1 Year Great Tribulation of the Earth

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  1. justbyfaith

    justbyfaith Well-Known Member

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    The wrath of God is going to fall on you.

    For it is written,

    Gal 3:10, For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
     
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  2. gaviria.christian

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    For it is not the hearers of the Torah who are righteous before God, but the doers of the Torah who will be justified.
    Romans 2:13

    The "works" of the Torah are circumcision, food, drinks, feasts, new moons, and shabbaths, which are not required under the new covenant. All other matters of Torah are binding, and whoever does not obey these matters of Torah will be cursed.
     
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    Believe what you want to believe. You are of the works of the law; and are therefore under the curse.

    Therefore, God's judgment and wrath is going to fall on you.
     
  4. gaviria.christian

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    No, obeying "you shall not steal" and "you shall not commit adultery" and "you shall not charge your brother interest" and "you shall open your hand wide to the poor" and "you shall wear fringes in the four corners of your garment" does not bring wrath upon a person that obeys these wise and good commands of God, it is a person who DISOBEYS these commands that will have wrath fall upon him, even if he should believe,

    On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of torahlessness.’
    Matthew 7:22-23

    Do not think that I have come to abolish the Torah or the Prophets
    Matthew 5:17

    Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
    Matthew 5:29
    Under the millennial rulership of the Messiah whoever sets aside even the command to wear fringes will be called least, for the Messiah will rule according to the Torah of Moses.

    and many peoples shall come, and say: “Come, let us go up to the mountain of Yehovah, to the house of the God of Jacob, that he may teach us his ways and that we may walk in his paths.” For out of Zion shall go forth the Torah, and the word of Yehovah from Jerusalem.
    Isaiah 2:3

    Do we then overthrow the law by this faith? By no means! On the contrary, we uphold the Torah.
    Romans 3:31

    an instructor of the foolish, a teacher of children, having in the Torah the embodiment of knowledge and truth
    Romans 2:20

    What then shall we say? That the law is sin? By no means! Yet if it had not been for the Torah, I would not have known sin. For I would not have known what it is to covet if the law had not said, “You shall not covet.”
    Romans 7:7

    The Greek word "anomia" means torahlessness, because it is referring to the "Law" of God, which is the Torah. You are deceived, and because of your deception and also stubbornness is why you are on a path of condemnation, and fail perceive that I am telling you the truth.
     
  5. CharismaticLady

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    Finally, I can go to bed. Just kidding. Thanks.

    Revelation 18:8
    8 Therefore her plagues will come in one day—death and mourning and famine. And she will be utterly burned with fire, for strong is the Lord God who judges her.

    I see what you mean.

    I remember seeing a movie called The Remaining which depicted the plagues in literally one day, not a prophetic year. It had always made me wonder why they depicted the plagues that way. Now I know. They used a lot of "license" that I didn't agree with, but I still love that movie. But now I have one less thing I will disagree with. They at least had a scripture to back it up with. Whether it is interpreted correctly remains to be seen. LOL

    "Death and mourning and famine" would be the last three horsemen, after the first horse, the Antichrist. Did you see it that way? (I've printed your small BOOK, but haven't read it yet). War and famine would take more than one literal day, so one year would be more likely.
     
  6. CharismaticLady

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    What do you think about Daniel 8:14 where some translations say 2300 days, but the NASB specifies it like the literal meaning:

    He said to me, “For 2,300 evenings and mornings; then the holy place will be properly restored.”

    Do you see that as a little over 6 years, or 2300 years? I believe the first, and points to Antiochus Epiphanes IV.
     
  7. CharismaticLady

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    Do you believe the 7th day Sabbath is included in the "works"?
     
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    You are correct that the 2,300 years starts with Antiochus Epiphanes, which was an abomination of desolation that was committed around 175 BC, and counting 2,300 years from there you reach, 2126 AD, which is when the temple of Ezekiel will be built, which is around 100 years after the estimated coming of the Messiah in 2026 AD. I discuss this in another bible study http://www.wisdomofgod.us/2019/02/2...alem-and-the-millennial-temple-on-mount-zion/
     
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    Yes, because Shabbath observance came with Moses, not with Abraham, and the millennial Shabbath comes with the Messiah, which we will all come under who believed and obeyed, and we will thus fulfill the requirement of the Torah to observe shabbath.
     
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    However none of the other holy convocations of Leviticus 23 came with Abraham either. The Sabbath is the first listed among them.

    What do you believe Hebrews 4 is about? What do you see as "God's rest"?
     
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    Are you Messianic? I ask because most Messianics I've talked to keep the food laws and the feasts, including the Sabbath.
     
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    The rest is the millennial shabbath, foreshadowed by the weekly shabbath, for this earth has been appointed to exist 7,000 total years, with the last 1,000 years appointed as the millennial shabbath.
     
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    I cannot be categorized into any denomination. I am merely a believer in Yeshuah that believes the Torah is still binding. I uphold the original teaching of the Messiah and the apostles.
     
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    I agree. Where did you get that information? I got if from the Epistle of Barnabas, chapter 15.
     
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    So then by "food or drink" as works, do you feel free to eat pork?
     
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    I got it from the scriptures, there are many clues indicating this to be true, and indeed what is declared in the epistle of Barnabas regarding the millennial shabbath is true. What I am teaching is nothing new, it's just not commonly believed nor understood today.
     
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    Yes, I am permitted to eat pork, because under the new covenant we have returned to what was originally told to Noah after he came out of the ark, "everything that moves will be food for you".
     
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    And yet the bible says no one knows the day or the hour. So why should anyone believe you over scripture?
     
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    The Messiah said that before the book of Revelation was given, which now gives us the timing of his coming, in correlation to the appointed times of the Torah.
     
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    I agree with your interpretation. It has been mine for decades, though I was raised Seventh-day Adventist.
     
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