Eternal Salvation = Christ on the Cross

[Behold]

Paul fell short is he was ignorant of the new covenant,

What you wrote is amazingly deceived, regarding any understanding of the NT.
Truly.

Listen.

Paul defined the New Covenant as the Blood Atonement.
"The Gospel of the Grace of God" came from Paul's pen.
Paul wrote, most of the New Testament.
Paul is THE "apostle to the Gentiles".
Paul wrote all of the Church doctrine.

 

[Behold]

Only His apostles were promised to(future) be Baptized by the Holy Spirit.

They received this in John 20:22.

 

[Behold]

For John truly baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.
-8 But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria and to the end of the earth.

Notice : "and you shall be witnesses to me in Jerusalem, and to the end of the earth".

See that?
That is the call......that is when a person is this...."many are called but few are chosen"...

This is the enabling of a Minister, to be in the ministry....... an example..
"Called to be an apostle".

See that "CALLED"?

Its This...> "11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:"""

See that ? that is to be "CALLED"...
That is the empowering , or the anointing for SERVICE.....as one of those.
That is not the same as what happened to those in Acts 2 who were "added to the church" by being born again..... nor is it what happened to the 12 here...: John 20:22

 

[Titus]

Hi Titus, nice to meet you sir, I too am from the midwest, central Illinois to be exact. Paul was an exemplary individual, a Pharisee, a covenanted appointed leader over God's people. Where Paul fell short is he was ignorant of the new covenant, but he was rightly disposed for everlasting life, and a zealous individual among Jehovah's people. Jesus of course was aware his heart condition was right, and that he was simply misguided, so he personally selected Paul to be an apostle to the nations. As you can see, Jesus made the right choice. His preaching changed of course when he became a Christian, as he was a staunch promoter of the Law given through Moses.

Amen, I agree with your analysis of Paul.

It is also true that Paul after becoming a Christian preached during his entire ministry ONE gospel of Jesus Christ. Just as he taught there is only one gospel in Ephesians 4:5.
Not this two gospels gospel, that Behold teaches. I.e. dispensationalism doctrine.

 

[Behold]

Amen, I agree with your analysis of Paul.

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Paul wrote most of the NT, and all of the Church Doctrine.
From Paul we learned..>"justification by faith"...."faith is counted as righteousness".
From Paul we learned everything we know about the 9 Spiritual Gifts.
From Paul we learned about the Rapture of the Church.
From Paul we learn about "temple of the Holy Spirit"
From Paul we learned about how to deal with heretics.

So, Paul is the example to the body of Christ, and "Roberts" analysis is that he has no idea how God used the Cross to do this.. John 3:16.

So, its no wonder that you two are holding hands, theologically.
Do you sit together in church also?

 

[Titus]

They received this in John 20:22.

No, Sir you are incorrect.
They did not receive Holy Spirit baptism in John 20:22.

They received it in Acts 2.

John 20:22
And when they had said this, He breathed on them, and said to them, Receive the Holy Spirit.
If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.

When Jesus "breathed on them" and said "recieve ye the Holy Spirit " It was a fitting gesture to indicate what would occur when the Spirit would come upon them to lead and guide them into ALL truth.

Inspiration means "God breathed".
Jesus "breathed on them".

I know as you wrongly stated that this s when and where the Holy Spirit baptism was imparted upon them.

This cannot be true.
For in Acts 1:8 it is stated that the Holy Spirit baptism had not yet fallen on any of them yet!
But you SHALL receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; And you SHALL be witnesses to Me in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.

It is not until pentecost that they began to speak "as the Spirit gave them utterance".
Acts 2:4
And when they all were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Nowhere before this time did the apostles recieve Holy Spirit baptism.
It was promised to them IN JERUSALEM.
It then occured in Jerusalem on Pentecost.

 

[Behold]

No, Sir you are incorrect.
They did not receive Holy Spirit baptism in John 20:22.

It then occured in Jerusalem on Pentecost.

Put your commentary down, and pick up a bible and read it.

in John 20:22, Jesus (who is GOD) gave them the Holy Spirit..........the verse says He "breathed on them and said RECEIVE the HOLY SPIRIT".

So Titus....Was he kidding, or are you just deceived?

Now, go to Genesis and notice how God "breathed into ADAM" and this same Holy Spirit made Adam ALIVE. that was "breathed into the APOSTLES" in : John 20:22

Its the SAME GOD in both CASES doing the BREATHING of the HOLY SPIRIT that is being RECEIVED.

See that, as that is not in your commentary, is it ??
No its not.
The reason you dont know this, is because your COMMENTARY that is your BIBLE, is a deceptive piece of TRASH.
Put it down and get your BIBLE.

Next......

In Acts 2, the "Comforter" came........but this is to bring 3000 into the Church........ Salvation.

Peter, was not water baptized in Acts 2, he was only given a heavenly Gift ("Tongues") so that he could SPEAK THEIR LANGUAGE, as "they heard in their own language".

So, all of this is not in your commentary, Titus.
Its not in your Theology.
Its not in your denomination.

= get rid of all that... ASAP

 

[Titus]

Put your commentary down, and pick up a bible and read it.

in John 20:22, Jesus (who is GOD) gave them the Holy Spirit..........the verse says He "breathed on them and said RECEIVE the HOLY SPIRIT".

Now, go to Genesis and notice how God "breathed into ADAM" and this Holy Spirit made Adam ALIVE.

See that?
The reason you dont know this, is because your COMMENTARY that is your BIBLE, is a deceptive piece of TRASH.
Put it down and get your BIBLE.


Next.

In Acts 2, the "comforter" came........but this is to bring 3000 into the Church........ Salvation.

Peter, was not water baptized in Acts 2, he was only given a heavenly Gift so that he could SPEAK THEIR LANGUAGE, as "they heard in their own language".

So, all of this is not in your commentary, Titus.
Its not in your Theology.
Its not in your denomination.

= get rid of all that... ASAP

I am only using a New king James Bible not a commentary.
More made up false allegations by you.
As usual you are wrong.

Acts 1:8 refutes your misinterpretation of John 20:22.

It is impossible for them to have received the Holy Spirit in John for Jesus Himself made it crystal clear that they had not yet received the Holy Spirit in Acts 1:8.

You are ignoring scriptures to promote your error.

Jesus "breathed on them" was a gesture. It was being taught to them then, that this gift would be imparted on them.

Acts chapter 2 at Jerusalem on the day of penetcost is when the Spirit fell on them.

Acts 2:1-3
When the day of penetcost had fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
And suddenly there came a sound from heaven, as of a rushing mighty wind and it filled the whole house where they were sitting.
Then there appeared to them divided tongues, as of fire and one sat upon each of them.

And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues , as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Behold, did this take place in John 20:22?

You are contradicting the Bible!
Acts 1:8 you have contradicted.
Acts 2:1-4 you have contradicted.

Matthew 22:29
Jesus answered and said to them,
You do err, not knowing the Scriptures nor the power of God.

 

[Behold]

And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues , as the Spirit gave them utterance.
.

Notice..
"other Tongues"......that is a foreign language....... or the "gift of Tongues".

Notice......none in the upper room are water baptized, yet they all spoke in the heavenly "gift of a foreign language" or "other". "tongue".. A tongue is a language.....and its defined as OTHER, because its a foreign language they had not learned.

This is Peter..........."and they HEARD in their LANGUAGE"< what Peter is speaking.
He has this Gift of Tongues......and he is using it to PREACH.

Where is the water baptism for those in the Upper ROOM, including Peter?
There is none.
NONE.
NONE.

Finally....in John 20:22, the 12 had already received the Holy Spirit....before Pentecost.

You dont like this verse, and it is defining you as a person who teaches opinion, disguised as theology, Titus.

 

[Titus]

Notice..
"other Tongues"......that is a foreign language....... or the "gift".

Notice......none in the upper room are water baptized, yet they all spoke in the heavenly gift.

Where is the water?
There is none.

Finally....in John 20:22, the 12 had already received the Holy Spirit.

You dont like this verse, and it does not like you, Titus.

I love John 20:22.

You are once again ignorant Sir.

You a trying to use a lame argument that they were not yet water baptized!

You are showing your ignorance.

They were water baptized under the law of Moses in Mark1:4
John came baptizing in the wilderness and preaching a baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.
Mark 1:5
Then all the land of Judea and those from Jerusalem, went to him and were all baptized by him in the Jordan river, confessing their sins.

Mark 1:8
I indeed baptize you with water, but He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.

Even in the new covenant of baptism in the name of Jesus, there was no relation to Holy Spirit baptism.

Paul got Holy Spirit baptism before he was water baptized, Acts 9:17-18.

Matthew 22:29

 

[Behold]

They were water baptized under the law of Moses in Mark1:4

You teach that the baptism of the holy spirit comes with being water baptized. ???????

Other heretics teach that you are saved during water baptism, and use Acts 2, with Peter saying "be baptized" as proof that water is necessary for Salvation.

I just showed you from the NT, that those in the upper room, including Peter.....on the day of Pentecost, were not water baptized, BEFORE they spoke in the "gift of tongues."

You just said they were water baptized at some other point, which shows your ignorance of the word of God.
And you'll show it again.

"well Behold"....you speak in tongues when you are water baptized, for your salvation".

No, not quite, as Peter and all those in the upper room, on the day of Pentecost, DIDNT get water baptized before they spoke in the gift of tongues, on the day the Comforter was given......according to the KJV you never read, that you say you own.

In Fact, in John 20:22, all the Apostle received the Spirit, and none of them spoke in Tongues.

Jesus never spoke in Tongues.

So, now Titus, come with your IGNORANCE of the Bible and prove it more for us.... as this seems to be your ministry.

 

[Titus]

You teach that the baptism of the holy spirit comes with being water baptized. ???????

Other heretics teach that you are saved during water baptism, and use Acts 2, with Peter saying "be baptized" as proof that water is necessary for Salvation.

I just showed you from the NT, that those in the upper room, including Peter.....on the day of Pentecost, were not water baptized, BEFORE they spoke in the "gift of tongues."

You just said they were water baptized at some other point, which shows your ignorance of the word of God.
And you'll show it again.

"well Behold"....you speak in tongues when you are water baptized, for your salvation".

No, not quite, as Peter and all those in the upper room, on the day of Pentecost, DIDNT get water baptized before they spoke in the gift of tongues, on the day the Comforter was given......according to the KJV you never read, that you say you own.

In Fact, in John 20:22, all the Apostle received the Spirit, and none of them spoke in Tongues.

Jesus never spoke in Tongues.

So, now Titus, come with your IGNORANCE of the Bible and prove it more for us.

Hahaha, you are a mess friend, Matthew 22:29

You keep trying to equate Holy Spirit baptism with salvation.

You think I believe that Holy Spirit baptism is proof of ones salvation.
Never does the gospel of Jesus Christ teach Holy Spirit baptism saves.

The apostles were already saved before they received Holy Spirit baptism,
Mark 1:4 for the forgiveness of sins.

If Holy Spirit baptism means you are saved as you mistakenly teach.
Then why was Simon saved without the Holy Spirit baptism?

Acts 8:12-24
Then Simon himself also believed; and when he was baptized he continued with Philip, and was amazed, seeing the miracles and signs which were done.

Now when the apostles who were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent Peter and John to them,

15 Who when they had come down, prayed with them that they might receive the Holy Spirit.

For as yet He had fallen upon none of them. They had only been BAPTIZED IN THE NAME OF THE LORD.

THEN THEY LAID HANDS ON THEM, AND THEY RECEIVED THE HOLY SPIRIT.

And when Simon saw that through the laying on of THE APOSTLES HANDS the Holy Spirit was given, he offered them money.

Saying give me this power also, that anyone on whom I lay my hands may receive the Holy Spirit.

But Peter said to him, Your money perish with you , because you thought that the gift of God could be purchased with money!

22 repent therefore of this your wickedness and pray God if perhaps the thought of your heart may he forgiven you.

24 Then Simon answered and said, Pray to the Lord for me, that none of the things which you have spoken may come upon me.


Simon, was already saved in Acts 8:13 for he had believed and was water baptized.
Yet he never got the Holy Spirit baptism.

All the others that heard Philip's preaching in Acts 8:12-17 who also believed the gospel and were water baptized did not receive Holy Spirit gifts.

Until verse 17 after their salvation, then the apostles laid hands on them.

Conclusion: your argument of the apostles recieving Holy Spirit baptism proves nothing with regard to their salvation or ours.
We are not saved by Holy Spirit baptism.

We are saved by the blood of Jesus Christ, Matthew 26:28.

Matthew 22:29

 

[Behold]

You keep trying to equate Holy Spirit baptism with salvation.

I"ll let Paul do that for you in 1st Corinthians 12.

""""For by one SPIRIT are we all BAPTIZED into one body" = "Baptized by one Spirit".

What is that?

That is this..>>"born again".

What is that?... Its to become this....>"One with God"...."in Christ"... a "new Creation"

Notice that its the HOLY SPIRIT that puts you into the ""BODY."""...."baptized into one BODY".......and that body is the "Body of Christ".
That is the Bride of Christ, ....every BORN AGAIN believer.

So, that is not WATER baptism, that is...== "For by one SPIRIT are we all BAPTIZED into one body"""

"spiritual Baptism"

This is Salvation, which is to become BORN AGAIN.

Being Born Again is the only proof a person is going to heaven, as this is the only proof of their Salvation being attained.

 

[Titus]

Once again you have taught error with 1Corinthians 12:13.

Just as is taught about the church/body in 1Corinthians 12:13 it reads,
1Corinthians 12:13:
For by one Spirit= Ephesians 5:25-27 by the word.

We were all baptized = Ephesians 5:25-27 sanctify and cleanse it with washing of water

Into one body= Ephesians 5:25-27 sanctify and cleanse it (it being the church)

Into one Spirit = Ephesians 5:25-27 by the word

These verses show parallelism.

Both are teaching about the church which is the body, Ephesians 1:22-23

Both are teaching we are taught by the Spirit which revealed the word, 1Corinthians 12:13; Ephesians 5:26

Both are referring to the cleansing of the body/church by baptism in 1Corinthians 12:13 and water in Ephesians 5:26.

Other verses that show parallelism to washing, cleansing water, the church/body.

Titus 3:5
...He saved us(body/church) through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Joly Spirit.

John 3:5
Jesus answered and said to him,
Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom(church) of God.

The word AND in John 3:5 shows that water and of Spirit are not the same but two separate meanings.
The word AND in John 3:5 is a connective conjunction not an adverb.
It should therefore be translated as and not even.

Water is reference to the baptism in 1Corinthians 12:13 ; Ephesians 5:26 ; Titus 3:5 , etc.
And the Spirit is reference to the word that was delivered through the Holy Spirit baptism.

Again 1Corinthians 12:13 refers to "by one Spirit"
And Ephesians 5:26 says "by the word"

So, water refers to the baptism that puts us into the body/ Kingdom which is His church.
All this is made possible by hearing the word/gospel which is delieved by the Spirit.

John 3:5 and Ephesians 5:26 are both teaching we are water baptized thereby sanctified by wate immersion. And this is how we get into the kingdom which is the church.

To prove this further.

Look at a conversion in Jesus' new testament, covenant.
Paul taught in Jesus' gospel there is only one baptism, Ephesians 4:5
We must determine which baptism is it?
Holy Spirit baptism or water baptism?

There cannot be two in Jesus' gospel says Paul, Ephesians 4:5.

Acts 8:38
So he commanded the chariot to stand still. And both Phillip and the Eunuch went down into the water and he baptized him.

The Ethiopian Eunch was water baptized into Christ. That was his conversion in the new covenant not the old Mosaical law.
Now, to follow basic Bible principles. We must infer that other baptisms in the name of Jesus Christ are water also.

Otherwise we are not being consistent with what we have already observed to be water baptism.

More examples:

Acts 2:38 is not Holy Spirit baptism for they receive the gift of the Holy Spirit after they are water baptized.

The conversion of Cornelius, same commanded baptism is water,
Acts 10:47-48.

Not once will you ever find Holy Spirit baptism a command!
It is not commanded but promised.

Only water immersion is commanded by Jesus in His gospel,

Matthew 28:19
Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you...

We know Jesus is teaching Water immersion because He commands His disciples to do the baptizing.
Only men water baptize other men! No disciple(man) Holy Spirit baptizes another man.

Same with Jesus' gospel in Mark 16:15-16. This is being consistent, also when it is taught once it must be inferred in other passages that speak of Jesus' baptism in His gospel.

More proof the baptism in Jesus' gospel that is commanded is water immersion.
Acts 19:1-7 Paul baptizes the Ephesians in water. Then later he lays hands on them to receive gifts of the Holy Spirit.

Gifts or a gift of the Holy Spirit, Acts 2:38. Is not Holy Spirit baptism. They are seperate.

Conclusion: Mark 16:15-16 is mistaken by some as Holy Spirit baptism.
It cannot be for the reasons I have stated.

Write or email a Greek scholar. Do you have any friends that are Greek scholars?
You ask them what baptism is in Mark 16:15-16.
Matthew 28:19
Acts 22:16
Acts 10:47-48
Acts 16:33 etc.
1Corinthians 12:13


These conversions to Christ were all the same Greek word baptizo.
That Greek word is only used for water immersion never any other kind of baptism.

 

[Behold]

We were all baptized = Ephesians 5:25-27 sanctify and cleanse it with washing of water

This is the word of God, that is the "washing of the water".

its not literal water, its literal WORD that washes..

Or as Jesus said...>>"you are clean now though the WORD i have spoken". John 15:3

So, that is SPIRITUAL Washing, by the word of God.

This is to be understood in the same context as you find in this song...>"what can wash away my SIN, nothing but the BLOOD of Jesus".

"washing".......>"word"........"as water"..

Its not water baptism, its Spiritual Baptism.... AS "the washing of water BY THE WORD".

 

[Titus]

This is the word of God, that is the "washing of the water".

its not literal water, its literal WORD that washes..

Or as Jesus said...>>"you are clean now though the WORD i have spoken". John 15:3

So, that is SPIRITUAL Washing, by the word of God.

This is to be understood in the same context as you find in this song...>"what can wash away my SIN, nothing but the BLOOD of Jesus".

"washing".......>"word"........"as water"..

Its not water baptism, its Spiritual Baptism.... AS "the washing of water BY THE WORD".

Wrong, there is a baptism that we are discussing here.
Not the cleansing of the word itself.

Mark 16:15-16

Jesus teaches a literal baptism in His gospel.

That baptism is shown throughout the book of Acts to be water immersion,
It is the baptism that is commanded by Jesus Acts 10:47-48.

Before God added those who were being saved in Acts 2. To His body, which is His church.
They were all water baptized, Acts 2:38.

Now look what happened to those who obeyed the gospel in Acts 2:38.
Acts 2:47
Prasing God and having favor with all the people. And the LORD added to the church daily those who were being saved.

After their water immersion God added them to His church.

Exactly what is taught by Paul in 1Corinthians 12:13.

Are you Holy Spirit baptized in Gods church?
No, you are water immersed into Gods church.

btw, friend, No one gets voted into the church by a group or committee of men.
I don't know what your church teaches and practices.
So I am just making a statement not an accusation.

Now, you just denied that the Conversion of Simon and al, those who believed with Simon were NOT SAVED!

Because you said we are saved by Holy Spirit baptism, 1Corinthians 12:13!

Therefore you contradicted Acts 8.
You have all those believers who have been water baptized lost!
None of them received Holy Spirit baptism when they believed the gospel of Christ and obeyed it.

You're in error of your interpretation of 1Corinthians 12:13. For it contradicts those who were saved in Acts 8.

Matthew 22:29

 

[Behold]

Wrong, there is a baptism that we are discussing here.
Not the cleansing of the word itself.
Mark 16:15-16

Jesus teaches a literal baptism in His gospel.

You have already ranted about water baptism in 2o other posts.
I have explained to you that Paul Said...>"Christ sent me not to water Baptize" and explained to you that this is not a contradiction of Mark 16.
You didnt understand anything i wrote, exactly as you dont understand anything that Paul teaches., and as he wrote most of the New Testament,....so do you see your problem.???
We see it.
Its clear as a BELL.

Now once again, YOU are having a discussion with yourself, regarding WATER.

Im actually here, writing to all the readers, so that YOU are not able to cause them harm with your heresy.

See the difference water man?

 

[Titus]

You have already ranted about water baptism in 2o other posts.
I have explained to you that Paul Said...>"Christ sent me not to water Baptize" and explained to you that this is not a contradiction of Mark 16.
You didnt understand anything i wrote, exactly as you dont understand anything that Paul teaches., and as he wrote most of the New Testament,....so do you see your problem.???
We see it.
Its clear as a BELL.

Now once again, YOU are having a discussion with yourself, regarding WATER.

Im actually here, writing to all the readers, so that YOU are not able to cause them harm with your heresy.

See the difference water man?

Water itself has no power to save.

It is OBEYING Jesus gospel commands that save us.
And according to Jesus one of 5 prerequisites in his gospel to be saved is immersion.

You cannot be saved by meeting only one prerequisite belief.

You must obey all of Jesus commandments.

Water is were God operates, works His power on us to save us,
Colossians 2:12.

In baptism is were we contact the blood of Christ,
Matthew 26:28
Acts 2:38

You need to give an answer for condemning all those believers to hell before they received Holy Spirit baptism. In Acts chapter 8.

I have proven you do not rightly divide the scriptures.
You have believers that have obeyed the gospel in a lost state because they did not receive Holy Spirit baptism.

Simon was a saved Christian. And never received Holy Spirit baptism.

CALL A GREEK SCHOLAR, WRITE, EMAIL GO TO A COLLEGE. ASK A GREEK SCHOLAR WHAT THE BAPTISM IS IN 1Corinthians 12:13
The word is baptizo.
This Greek word is only referred to as water baptism in all of the new testament.

I know for a fact that the baptism in 1Corinthians 12:13 is water immersion.
By water immersion, Acts 2:38 is how we are baptized into the one body.
Which is the churchof Christ, Romans 16:16

You need to contact a Greek scholar friend.

Matthew 22:29

 

[Behold]

Water itself has no power to save.
It is OBEYING Jesus gospel commands that save us.
And according to Jesus one of 5 prerequisites in his gospel to be saved is immersion.

Tell that to the dying Thief who hung next to Jesus, as Jesus was dying for His sin.
This man was not water baptized, and he kept no commandments... and his Spirit is in heaven right now.

See, you do not understand what you are talking about, Titus.
You are water obsessed, along with water cults like the "cult of the virgin" and the Jehovah's witness who worship water, and rant about water, endlessly.
You should know.
You are here for the attention.
You are, by your own words shown to be a theological pretender, seeking some "Likes".
You harm others with your teaching., but ive solved that, anywhere i find you.

 

[Titus]

Tell that to the dying Thief who hung next to Jesus, as Jesus was dying for His sin.
This man was not water baptized, and he kept no commandments... and his Spirit is in heaven right now.

See, you do not understand what you are talking about, Titus.
You are water obsessed, along with water cults like the "cult of the virgin" and the Jehovah's witness who worship water, and rant about water, endlessly.
You should know.
You are here for the attention.
You are, by your own words shown to be a theological pretender, seeking some "Likes".
You harm others with your teaching., but ive solved that, anywhere i find you.

It is you who do not know the Scriptures nor the power of God, Matthew 22:29
Jesus answered and said to them,
You do err, not knowing the Scriptures nor the power of God.

The thief on the cross.
Well what covenant was he saved under? Answer: Old covenant, old testament.

How do you know he was not baptized? Prove he wasn't! He was a jew.
Mark 1:5
Then all the land of Judea and those from Jerusalem, went out to him, and were all baptized by him in the Jordan river, confessing their sins.

You cannot prove he was or was not. So, this whole argument is moot.

You believe the gospel of Jesus Christ is the death, burial, and ressurection, 1Corinthians 15:1-4.

Could the thief believe in the gospel of Christ?
Answer: NO WAY! For Jesus had not even risen from the dead!
You are trying to use a man that could not have obeyed Jesus' gospel if he wanted to.

Fact: Jesus new will and testament only goes into force after the testator dies,

Hebrews 9:16-17
For where there is a testament, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
For a testament is in force after men are dead, since it has no power at all while the testator lives.

You cannot be saved like the thief,
He was not required nor able to believe in Jesus' gospel.