Everyone Goes to Heaven
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Truthnightmare
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My Bible reads a bit different…
John 20:23 "Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained."
The word “ye” is addressed to a particular… so this is not addressed to you and me and the power to do such as mentioned, we may not be privy to….
Do you include yourself when Jesus says..
“If you forgive the sin”?
Do you think one can pray and forgive everyone's sins... so all will go to Heaven?
Truthnightmare
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No…. How would this be possible when Satan and the fallen angels have already been sentenced to death.
MT 7 Narrow is the way that leads to life and FEW there be who find it!
Truthnightmare
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So simple….
There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.
Yea…. That sounds like everyone is going to make it.
Luke 13:23-24
23 Then one said to Him, "Lord, are there few who are saved?" And He said to them,
24 "Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I say to you, will seek to enter and will not be able.
23 Then one said to Him, "Lord, are there few who are saved?" And He said to them,
24 "Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I say to you, will seek to enter and will not be able.
I was referring to praying that all PEOPLE'S sin be forgiven.
Some think that scripture gives them power to pray someone in to Heaven without them getting born again are walking with the Lord.
They be sadly mistaken.
Truthnightmare
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Matthew 23:13
But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
After all this craziness throughout the world’s history, everyone makes it, and everyone lives happily ever after. Sounds nice… But we serve a jealous God.. a God that pours out hail fire.
A God that doesn’t play… Sorry, but Disney fairytales hold nothing when God pours out the veils of wrath upon mankind.
GRACE ambassador
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"God is Not the author of confusion!..." (1 Corinthians 14:33 AV)
Off topic here, so I answered over here: KJV Only?
not keeping up, wife is kicking me off, good night all
Hillsage
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READS DIFFERENT? What name is on your bible? Is it KING JAMES? If YES, then tell me why it's different below compared to 4 other translations AND with itself?
If your bible is KJV, do you want to know another verse IN YOUR BIBLE which translates the same Greek word "REMIT/APHIEMI" as "FORGIVE/APHIEMI"
LUK 23:34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive/APHIEMI them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.
NKJ JOH 20:23 "If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained."
RSV JOH 20:23 If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained."
NIV JOH 20:23 If you forgive anyone his sins, they are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven."
Every translation above also translates the same Greek word a FORGIVE in Luke 23:34. INCLUDING THE KJV. So tell me why the KJV is inconsistent in only Joh 20:23 by saying "REMIT"?
Yes I do include myself. Why don't you? But I do so with a knowledge you apparently don't know about.
Question? Did Stephen forgive the sins of his killers, just like Jesus did? If you say NO! then what did he mean?
ACT 7:60 And he/STEPHEN knelt down and cried with a loud voice, "Lord, do not hold this sin against them."
Question? If Jesus eternally forgave the sins of anyone before he died on the cross then why did He still have to die?
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I'm questioning the dependency people can have on a book at the expense of a personal direct relationship and communication with the Creators.
I'm very surprised at the question. But maybe I've misunderstood what you're asking.
Is the bible lacking information about all truth which resides within the Creators? Absolutely!
Is the bible lacking in recording all that Jesus did? Absolutely!
Is the bible itself lacking context? Absolutely!
Is the bible lacking the divine life of the Creators? Absolutely! It's a book full of writing on pages.
Does the bible contain exhaustive information on all the above? Absolutely NOT!
So do we have any chance of gaining further information that is lacking in the 81 books in the most extensive bible available on earth? Absolutely!
St. SteVen
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I do tell her that and if she tries to assault me I'll call the sheriff and have her arrested!
I won't have to do that because she's not stoopid. I don't assault her and she's not going to assault me.
Men that are not the leaders of their household are weak in out of God's will in their personal lives.
It also keeps the door open for the devil to have a free hand to bring in destruction if the man of the house is weak and is letting the wife be the leader of the household.
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