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But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. - 2 Timothy 3:13


There is a thought in Christianity that we are saved by the cross, that is true. But it is what happened at the cross that saves you. What happened at the cross? I don't believe man will ever know completely what Jesus did at the cross. But what happened at the cross was Christ crucified the old man nature. In Christ every human being that is born into this world is dead, all in Adam the scripture says is dead in Christ. So being in Christ as a believer is the place to be so to say. If you remain in Adam you remain with a sin nature.

Now you have to look at what happened in the garden, the fall in the garden. When Adam and Eve believed the lieing spirit and ate from the tree they received a knowledge that separated them from God (the scripture ''let every man be a lier, for God is true" comes to mind). How is every man a lier? By their lieing nature, how does God save you? by exchanging the lieing death nature of the human being. They go from a lieing death life to life life in Christ. They go from a sinning satanic nature (the murder from the beginning) to the nature of God which is in Christ. There is a lot of people that have a hard time with that understanding because it sounds to radical, satanic nature. My first thought about those people is; how will they explain the deprived debaucherous existence of mankind on this Earth I and where it comes from. Science has tried since mankind has been present on this Earth and they can't do it. They can deal with only the acts of the nature such as; you cannot see nature you can only see it's manifestations which is "The works of the flesh" scripture says.

When I was in prison ministry full time, I used to talk to mother's or family members of inmates. What I heard was; he was a good boy he just got in with the wrong crowd. They may have been true, but the truth is they were born with a satanic death life nature and sin comes from the nature. I don't know if we have watched too much Hollywood showing us what the devil would look like or what but we cannot get it fixed in us where sin comes from. So when I hear a mother say he was a good boy now, I have to know it is because they were made in the image and likeness of God. But they received the wrong nature in the beginning from Adam.

Man was not created with a nature spirit life, man was created a living soul and that soul was in the image and likeness of God. Man was to receive a nature in time but Adam chose the wrong nature. We know that now because Adam was able to recieve a nature so it was in the plan of God. He was even warned do not partake of the tree. Sinning Adam by nature is now dead in Christ, and for mankind to have life they must believe on the Lord Jesus Christ for the only salvation known to mankind. So now when you read certain scriptures for instance; "Evil men shall wax worse and worse." First you realize the are evil because of their sin nature, and that is what the nature does is evil. It is by the evil nature men are evil. So when they get worse it is just what that nature does. The law was given to keep that nature from fully expressing it self because it never gets better it only gets worse and worse.
 

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But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. - 2 Timothy 3:13

But what happened at the cross was Christ crucified the old man nature. In Christ every human being that is born into this world is dead, all in Adam the scripture says is dead in Christ.

I get what you are saying.
It is ministering to those who don't know the basics that dances Questions in their minds.

Common knowledge is Life means Living, Dead means Life/Living has ceased.
That limited meaning Applies most Appropriately to the Life of a Human Body.
LIFE "of" the Human Body Is It's BLOOD.
It IS Mortal, and the very definition of Mortal means Subject TO Death...no matter what, the Body of man Shall Die.

Spiritual Death is a bit more intriguing.

Man was not created with a nature spirit life, man was created a living soul and that soul was in the image and likeness of God. Man was to receive a nature in time but Adam.

Disagree.
Man was Naturally Born:
1) is, has A Body
2) has a Natural spirit.
3) is, has a soul

If one does not Have a Natural spirit, how could God offer a Spiritual Re-Birth / Born Again, of his spirit?

Glory to God,
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I get what you are saying.
It is ministering to those who don't know the basics that dances Questions in their minds.

Common knowledge is Life means Living, Dead means Life/Living has ceased.
That limited meaning Applies most Appropriately to the Life of a Human Body.
LIFE "of" the Human Body Is It's BLOOD.
It IS Mortal, and the very definition of Mortal means Subject TO Death...no matter what, the Body of man Shall Die.

Spiritual Death is a bit more intriguing.



Disagree.
Man was Naturally Born:
1) is, has A Body
2) has a Natural spirit.
3) is, has a soul

If one does not Have a Natural spirit, how could God offer a Spiritual Re-Birth / Born Again, of his spirit?

Glory to God,
Taken

Not talking about what keeps a body alive physically. It is hard to get everything in words in a short paragraph when writing. You may want to reread js.
 

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Not talking about what keeps a body alive physically. It is hard to get everything in words in a short paragraph when writing. You may want to reread js.

Agree- quick blips can not cover the indepth topic.

And WHY... "Until" there is an Agreement of What Life Is: What that Life Applies to: Delving into talking About LIFE, without a Basic Agreement...tailspins the discussion.

I believe:
God is Eternally ALIVE, (without beginning or ending)
I believe:
God IS LIFE;
God HAS LIFE;
LIFE IN His Being;
LIFE IN His Word;
LIFE IN His Spirit.

I believe God Has Created specific Things.
BY His Beings Idea, His Word Declaring The Thing, His Power to Effect, the "Thing" which did Not Exist...to THEN "Become" Existing.

I believe God thereafter; MAKES, things He HAS Created...Have those Things "particular" properties ... "Activated"/ "Functional".

For Example:
* Created Angel KIND of Things:
Created with "particular" Functions:
But they could Do Nothing...Until God MADE them Functional.
* Created Earth KIND of thing:
Created with "particular" Functions:
But it could Do Nothing...Until God MADE the Earth Functional.
* Created Plants and Animals KINDS of things:
Created with "particular" Functions: But they could Do Nothing... Until God MADE them Functional.
* Man- KIND of thing:
Created with "particular" Functions: But man could/can Do Nothing...Until God MADE/MAKES them Functional.

Every Individual KIND of thing God Created/ Was Created BY God...in the Beginning of His Creation.

When HIS Created KINDS of Thing ARE MADE "Functioning"...IT is NOT always Observed BY another Created Thing and MADE Functioning KIND of Thing.

We can Know Functioning Angels were Created Before the Earth and Before Animals ON the Earth and Before MAN-KIND of Things ON the Earth...
Because Angel's Observed The Creation and MAKING of the Earth.

When God Created, First Man- KIND of thing...
God called that Thing MAN...
AND Revealed "from What" He Created this Man...which was Dry Land, specifically...called (Earth)...specifically Dust, which IS specifically the most top layer of Dry Land.

That Created thing called man, was "created with" particular "Functional capabilities"...
That Created thing called man, "could Do Nothing"...UNTIL God "MADE" that mankind of Thing...."Function-AL".

We are informed; immediately After God CREATED the first Man-KIND of thing "from out of the Dust of the Earth", God MADE that Created man-KIND of thing...Function-AL.

And We are Told...
* Who- Adam
* What- Gods Breath
* IN What- A Soul
* When- immediately after the man was completely Form-ED.
* Why- MAKE the man Functioning
* Where- Land outside of A Garden, (a Garden that was located in the East, of a Land called Eden).

And the Function-ING Result:
The Man Received LIFE From God...
A man RECEIVING LIFE from God;
Caused that fully Formed man To Begin;
It's Fully Bodily Functioning ManKind of Living.

A Man-Kind of Thing fully Formed Functional LIFE IS that individuals BLOOD.

As Long AS Gods Life (His Breath IN a Soul) Is Blown into a fully Formed individual body (form)...that individual's LIFE (BLOOD), Will be MADE Functional.

At ANY Time, God REMOVES , His LIFE (His Breath IN A Soul) Out from FROM the individual Body (Form), that Individual Bodily Form Will STOP/ Cease Functioning.
That Bodily Form's LIFE (Blood) that WAS Alive and Functioning...Will be Dead.... it's LIFE, (Blood) will Be Dead.
* And Gods LIFE, in a Soul, will continue Living / Functioning...outside of the Dead Body...iN "Place" God sends that Living Soul, Until such Time God Removes HIS LIFE (Breath) Out from a Soul....or God Leaves His LIFE IN that Living Soul.

So far man-KIND of Created thing that Has Ever (or IS) Alive...
Has Two LIFE forms "within" the man:
BLOOD-
SOUL-

All BLOOD forms of LIFE- "Shall" cease Living.
Some SOUL forms of LIFE-"MIGHT" cease Living.

A SOUL form of LIFE- that is NEVER subject to- Cease Living- IS a Soul, That IS Specifically...SAVED....specifically UNTO God, specifically BY God.

IOW- A Soul can NOT be Saved UNTO...or BY;
another god, a man, an animal, a plant, money, a statue, gold, jewels, or Anything else.

Another form of LIFE was created in man.
It is called A spirit.
It became MADE Function-AL, at the moment,
God MADE the form of man's LIFE (BLOOD), Function-AL.

This spirit's LIFE, is called a man's TRUTH.
This spirit's LIFE, dwells within the HEART of a man.
Regardless of WHAT a Carnal Mind, Thinks, or Does...Good or Evil...The spirit LIFE in the man's Heart, The man's own spirit LIFE...KNOWS...the TRUTH...of the man's Good thoughts, Good intents, Good Actions.
And
Evil thoughts, Evil intents, Evil Actions.

That is A Conflict within all men.
Men Doing Good...The man's spirt is elated.
Men Doing Evil...The man's spirit is grieved.
Men having a day or years of Continual "Conflict" between their Carnal Mind and spirit Truth...have Continual Conflict within them selves...
And to be SURE...men desperately Try to "hide" their internal conflictions.
We can not see their Mind or their spirit...
But we CAN See the "results" of a Conflict.
Diseases, illnesses, laughing on the Outside, while utterly Depressed and Grieved on the Inside.

Jesus, The Word of God, was Sent forth out from Gods Mouth, (in the Likeness as an Earthly man)... To Appear to Earthly men AND Reveal A NEW, unbefore Known Message from God To Earthly men.

UNTO and BY God, Through Jesus:
An earthly man's LIFE:
* BLOOD LIFE can be Given IN and FOR Spiritual Death UNTO God...By man's Freewill Election.
* SOUL LIFE can be Given IN and FOR Spiritual (Restoration), through Gods Offered Salvation, Forever.
* SPIRIT LIFE can be Given IN and FOR Spiritual (Rebirth), From Gods SEED, TO Spiritually RECEIVE Gods TRUTH, Forever.
* and the PROMISE, at Gods Elected Time-Frame...THAT:
Their Dead Bodily Form Shall BE:
Raised IN a glorious immortal Body. And it's Saved restored soul and Quickened born Again spirit Be MADE Again imparted into it's Glorified Raised immortal body, Forever.

That is the Basics I was talking About...
For a man to First Know about LIFE that is Accounted to him specifically/individually...
AND forward...WHO can specifically MAKE the WHOLE of a man's Life (WHOLE: body and soul and spirit) and HOW...that IS Accomplished.

IF a man does Not First comprehend his OWN 3 LIFE forms...How can that man make an election TO God, OF Gods Offering, for God to MAKE the man's 3 Life forms WHOLE?

(IMO- many do not comprehend what is the WHOLE "LIFE" of A man...
And particularly...ISRAEL...Gods People...Expected Gods Christ Messiah to Appear...and instantly KEEP them (their Natural Flesh and BLOOD Bodily Alive Forever).

Glory to God,
Taken
 
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Agree- quick blips can not cover the indepth topic.

And WHY... "Until" there is an Agreement of What Life Is: What that Life Applies to: Delving into talking About LIFE, without a Basic Agreement...tailspins the discussion.

I believe:
God is Eternally ALIVE, (without beginning or ending)
I believe:
God IS LIFE;
God HAS LIFE;
LIFE IN His Being;
LIFE IN His Word;
LIFE IN His Spirit.

I believe God Has Created specific Things.
BY His Beings Idea, His Word Declaring The Thing, His Power to Effect, the "Thing" which did Not Exist...to THEN "Become" Existing.

I believe God thereafter; MAKES, things He HAS Created...Have those Things "particular" properties ... "Activated"/ "Functional".

For Example:
* Created Angel KIND of Things:
Created with "particular" Functions:
But they could Do Nothing...Until God MADE them Functional.
* Created Earth KIND of thing:
Created with "particular" Functions:
But it could Do Nothing...Until God MADE the Earth Functional.
* Created Plants and Animals KINDS of things:
Created with "particular" Functions: But they could Do Nothing... Until God MADE them Functional.
* Man- KIND of thing:
Created with "particular" Functions: But man could/can Do Nothing...Until God MADE/MAKES them Functional.

Every Individual KIND of thing God Created/ Was Created BY God...in the Beginning of His Creation.

When HIS Created KINDS of Thing ARE MADE "Functioning"...IT is NOT always Observed BY another Created Thing and MADE Functioning KIND of Thing.

We can Know Functioning Angels were Created Before the Earth and Before Animals ON the Earth and Before MAN-KIND of Things ON the Earth...
Because Angel's Observed The Creation and MAKING of the Earth.

When God Created, First Man- KIND of thing...
God called that Thing MAN...
AND Revealed "from What" He Created this Man...which was Dry Land, specifically...called (Earth)...specifically Dust, which IS specifically the most top layer of Dry Land.

That Created thing called man, was "created with" particular "Functional capabilities"...
That Created thing called man, "could Do Nothing"...UNTIL God "MADE" that mankind of Thing...."Function-AL".

We are informed; immediately After God CREATED the first Man-KIND of thing "from out of the Dust of the Earth", God MADE that Created man-KIND of thing...Function-AL.

And We are Told...
* Who- Adam
* What- Gods Breath
* IN What- A Soul
* When- immediately after the man was completely Form-ED.
* Why- MAKE the man Functioning
* Where- Land outside of A Garden, (a Garden that was located in the East, of a Land called Eden).

And the Function-ING Result:
The Man Received LIFE From God...
A man RECEIVING LIFE from God;
Caused that fully Formed man To Begin;
It's Fully Bodily Functioning ManKind of Living.

A Man-Kind of Thing fully Formed Functional LIFE IS that individuals BLOOD.

As Long AS Gods Life (His Breath IN a Soul) Is Blown into a fully Formed individual body (form)...that individual's LIFE (BLOOD), Will be MADE Functional.

At ANY Time, God REMOVES , His LIFE (His Breath IN A Soul) Out from FROM the individual Body (Form), that Individual Bodily Form Will STOP/ Cease Functioning.
That Bodily Form's LIFE (Blood) that WAS Alive and Functioning...Will be Dead.... it's LIFE, (Blood) will Be Dead.
* And Gods LIFE, in a Soul, will continue Living / Functioning...outside of the Dead Body...iN "Place" God sends that Living Soul, Until such Time God Removes HIS LIFE (Breath) Out from a Soul....or God Leaves His LIFE IN that Living Soul.

So far man-KIND of Created thing that Has Ever (or IS) Alive...
Has Two LIFE forms "within" the man:
BLOOD-
SOUL-

All BLOOD forms of LIFE- "Shall" cease Living.
Some SOUL forms of LIFE-"MIGHT" cease Living.

A SOUL form of LIFE- that is NEVER subject to- Cease Living- IS a Soul, That IS Specifically...SAVED....specifically UNTO God, specifically BY God.

IOW- A Soul can NOT be Saved UNTO...or BY;
another god, a man, an animal, a plant, money, a statue, gold, jewels, or Anything else.

Another form of LIFE was created in man.
It is called A spirit.
It became MADE Function-AL, at the moment,
God MADE the form of man's LIFE (BLOOD), Function-AL.

This spirit's LIFE, is called a man's TRUTH.
This spirit's LIFE, dwells within the HEART of a man.
Regardless of WHAT a Carnal Mind, Thinks, or Does...Good or Evil...The spirit LIFE in the man's Heart, The man's own spirit LIFE...KNOWS...the TRUTH...of the man's Good thoughts, Good intents, Good Actions.
And
Evil thoughts, Evil intents, Evil Actions.

That is A Conflict within all men.
Men Doing Good...The man's spirt is elated.
Men Doing Evil...The man's spirit is grieved.
Men having a day or years of Continual "Conflict" between their Carnal Mind and spirit Truth...have Continual Conflict within them selves...
And to be SURE...men desperately Try to "hide" their internal conflictions.
We can not see their Mind or their spirit...
But we CAN See the "results" of a Conflict.
Diseases, illnesses, laughing on the Outside, while utterly Depressed and Grieved on the Inside.

Jesus, The Word of God, was Sent forth out from Gods Mouth, (in the Likeness as an Earthly man)... To Appear to Earthly men AND Reveal A NEW, unbefore Known Message from God To Earthly men.

UNTO and BY God, Through Jesus:
An earthly man's LIFE:
* BLOOD LIFE can be Given IN and FOR Spiritual Death UNTO God...By man's Freewill Election.
* SOUL LIFE can be Given IN and FOR Spiritual (Restoration), through Gods Offered Salvation, Forever.
* SPIRIT LIFE can be Given IN and FOR Spiritual (Rebirth), From Gods SEED, TO Spiritually RECEIVE Gods TRUTH, Forever.
* and the PROMISE, at Gods Elected Time-Frame...THAT:
Their Dead Bodily Form Shall BE:
Raised IN a glorious immortal Body. And it's Saved restored soul and Quickened born Again spirit Be MADE Again imparted into it's Glorified Raised immortal body, Forever.

That is the Basics I was talking About...
For a man to First Know about LIFE that is Accounted to him specifically/individually...
AND forward...WHO can specifically MAKE the WHOLE of a man's Life (WHOLE: body and soul and spirit) and HOW...that IS Accomplished.

IF a man does Not First comprehend his OWN 3 LIFE forms...How can that make an election TO God, OF Gods Offering, for God to MAKE the man's 3 Life forms WHOLE?

(IMO- many do not comprehend what is the WHOLE "LIFE" of A man...
And particularly...ISRAEL...Gods People...Expected Gods Christ Messiah to Appear...and instantly KEEP them (their Natural Flesh and BLOOD Bodily Alive Forever).

Glory to God,
Taken

Point in case. Maybe you can answer this question? What is Jesus talking about when he says,

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. - John
 

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Point in case. Maybe you can answer this question? What is Jesus talking about when he says,

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. - John

Backing up, considering Facts.
God is completely, purely Holy.
Nothing whatsoever UNHOLY, can be in Gods Presence or Look upon Him...to Corrupt, God pure Holiness, in any fashion.
It's a mystery...that God is Everywhere, Observing, Knowing, Corruption is tailspinning to exponential heights, in the lower heavens, in many of His Holy created Angels, having fallen, in many of His Created men Offered holiness, but rejecting His Offer, and the Earth itself, becoming corrupted, (it very purpose to Sustain Life of its occupants, is fading away, dying...minerals depleating, plants, failing to soak up minerals that are fading away, thus insufficient, for man to eat For optimum mineral gain. Same with animals, eating grasses depleated of minerals, men eating meat, depleated of minerals...men consuming and consuming and consuming junk food... ever hungry, for necessary minerals that are failing to be present in man's food sources. Eating, eating, eating...fattening up on Junk, that never satisfies. Fat, unhealthy, mineral depleated Americans.

God is Unseen...yet God Himself established a WAY to Communicate with His man-KIND created things.
He has Always Communicated with manKIND "through" His Word.
First man- male & female, God called Adam.
Gen 1:
[27] So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
[28] And God blessed them, and God said unto them...

Anyone can do their own research IN Scripture and find nearly 1,000 times:
God Said:
The LORD said:
The Word of God:
The Word of the LORD:
Etc.
(And TO WHOM, that Gods Word was spoken to.)

The Dilemma:
Man is a creature of instinct. Man wants the first-hand information from the source. If they can not have the firs-hand information from the "source", the THEY want "proof, the "source" Exists.
An Acceptable "proof" For mankind, that something exists...is "seeing is believing".
(IOW- IF man could SEE, the "source", in this scenario..."SEE God"...well then man could be satisfied, God Exists, and then acknowledge He said something.
Which then, that Only would prove God Exists, God Said something...and then, it would be an endless demand That God Prove what He said is True. <--- THAT IS the endless circle jerk, an unbelieving, faithless man "attempts" to Demand Believing, Faithful men, PROVE to "them".
Personally, I have NO requirement to Prove to Anyone, what I believe or Why I believe what I do believe.)

So back to the Word of God.
God Himself, contended with men, who Demanded To SEE God.
* God first Expressed His disappointment and Anger at "men who were dissatisfied" with ONLY "hearing the Word of God" and still WANTING "To SEE God".
They should have Paid attention:
For an earthly man TO SEE God, "would mean", their Instant Physical Death. ( how's that bright idea of man, to get what he wants to satisfy his little pea brain, at the cost of instant death, and eternal separation From God, but surely knowing He exists!)
* God expressed His Anger at such men:
Called them STIFFNECKED!
* Scripture reveals, when God has Expressed His Anger has become Kindled toward "something/someone"...the Kindling INCREASES...becomes HOT, and the "Expectation" of the "something/someone"...that "continues" TO Anger God...
Gods Expressed "emotion" of ANGER Wiil become...
Dealt with By God "act" of Wrath, upon the "something/someone" who HAS Angered God.
^ That has NOT Changed.

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Continued:

Point in case. Maybe you can answer this question? What is Jesus talking about when he says,

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. - John

Over 140 times God revealed what "Shall come to pass", in the OT.
(19 times, what "Shall come to pass" is revealed in the NT)

God appeases OT mankind- in Two ways.
1) Gives ancient man...a prophecy...that will come to pass, for men to hear God fortelling, then SEEING, what God said Would happen.
2) A promise God Would come to Earth and Dwell among men.

1) Numb 11:
[23] ... thou shalt see now whether my word shall come to pass unto thee or not.
2) ... Ex 29:
[45] And I will dwell among the children of Israel, and will be their God.
2) ... Isa 9:
[6] For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be Called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Numerous Scriptures, foretelling of this Child, specifically About Him, that "have" come to pass, that men Have Seen.

Men OF belief, OF faith...have Testified to Seeing...God Among men.
Men OF dis-belief, without faith...have Testified to Seeing...Jesus called Christ Among men.

What is Jesus talking about when he says,

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. - John

Jesus is Telling man-KIND. He IS He, Who IS God, among men, in "a Fashion"...God Himself Prepared ... for man-KIND's EYES To SEE...
Without God compromising His Own Holiness...
OR
Man-KIND becoming Destroyed by Gods Consuming Fire, by Looking Directly at God.

The Flesh Body God Prepared; that God Took Upon Himself, "FOR men To SEE God", in a fashion That would Not instantly physically Kill a man...
Was Simply just not "good enough, satisfactory enough" For "some" men.

And the kicker IS: God IS Just.
Every Individual WILL GET what they Desire!
Men who:
Saw Jesus and Believed they were in Gods presence Looking at Him...
are Satsfied.
Men who:
Have not Seen Jesus but Believe the Testimony of men that Did See Jesus...
are Satisfied.
Men who: can not Believe God, "without" SEEING God;
Will Get to see His Anger Kindled;
Will get to see His Wrath upon them;
Will GET to "SEE" God and Become Instantly Consumed and Separated From God, Forever.

Point is: Every individual has Freewill.
One is not Required to "Defend" his own belief to another.
An individual's "belief's" are only Accounted to him.
And it is NO Secret...there ARE positive and negative Consequences For every man's own Beliefs.
And the positive and negative Consequences are PLAINLY revealed in Gods Word.

(and a handy thing to know: for "fence sitters", "undecided" what they believe:
If one has NOT decided to believe, IN God...
Whelp...your lack of choosing ...lands you squarely on the side of the fence with "unbelievers",

Matt 12:
[30] He that is not with me is against me...


Glory to God,
God Bless,
Taken
 
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