Both are true. Mark 13:23 is one of all the things Jesus tells us.
God Bless you. Charlie
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Both are true. Mark 13:23 is one of all the things Jesus tells us.
God Bless you. Charlie
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Both are true. Clearly though, since God's Word will not contradict it's self, they don't mean the same thing. On the one hand, you seem to use "All things" meaning we can figure out what exact date Christ is returning, yet the other verse states that no man, not the angels, nor the son know the day nor hour. Clearly they are not speaking about the same thing.
Christ has foretold us all things, especially concerning the end times, how not to be deceived by the antiChrist....i.e. satan.. No where does Christ give the exact date of his return though, He tells us to keep watch. Why even bother keeping watch if anyone truly knew when he was exactly returning?
Hi Charlie,
I know who you're talking about lol. When his prediction didn't pan out, he said "WE made a mistake" lol
Dear hereister:
I assume you are referring to something CharlesJ wrote.
God Bless you. Charlie Baker
I was. Sorry about that. When I tried to reply to his post, it added it to my post I already made.
HI Tomwebster,
I've decided I'm not going to debate this issue anymore. It's not a salvation issue.
I like you Tom, with everything else you post here, we are both on the same page. I consider you a true brother in the Lord.
Peace
I've decided I'm not going to debate this issue anymore. It's not a salvation issue.
I like you Tom, with everything else you post here, we are both on the same page. I consider you a true brother in the Lord.
Peace
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Good day at everyone who is 'reaaalllyy' into the study of the last days:
I am confused why you would be focusing on this book of REV. Not saying that it is incorrect to do, as we should know our scripture. But why not rather focus on scripture that can bring you closer to God? Teach you something so that you can teach others?
This subject only brings out 'collision' / 'tension' between people.
Its clearly known that not the angels in heaven knows the date and not even Jesus knows the date when this will begin. Only God knows. So why bother trying to figure it out? Focus on something like Efesiers 6 (not sure what is is called in english)
About the Spiritual armor.
Put on your boots and spread the good word of God to the nations!
I am confused why you would be focusing on this book of REV. Not saying that it is incorrect to do, as we should know our scripture. But why not rather focus on scripture that can bring you closer to God? Teach you something so that you can teach others?
This subject only brings out 'collision' / 'tension' between people.
Its clearly known that not the angels in heaven knows the date and not even Jesus knows the date when this will begin. Only God knows. So why bother trying to figure it out? Focus on something like Efesiers 6 (not sure what is is called in english)
About the Spiritual armor.
Put on your boots and spread the good word of God to the nations!
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Good day at everyone who is 'reaaalllyy' into the study of the last days:
I am confused why you would be focusing on this book of REV. Not saying that it is incorrect to do, as we should know our scripture. But why not rather focus on scripture that can bring you closer to God? Teach you something so that you can teach others?
This subject only brings out 'collision' / 'tension' between people.
Its clearly known that not the angels in heaven knows the date and not even Jesus knows the date when this will begin. Only God knows. So why bother trying to figure it out? Focus on something like Efesiers 6 (not sure what is is called in english)
About the Spiritual armor.
Put on your boots and spread the good word of God to the nations!
Because 1/3 of Bible is about Prochecy and end times and all of Gods word is important not just the parts one chooses to pay attention to ...Amos 8: 11-12 ..Talks about the famine of the true word of God why is that ?
Because people just pick and choose what they decide is important ..God tells us all scripture is worthy not just one message of the good news ....
Why do you think he bothered to write it if it wasnt important ?
Good day at everyone who is 'reaaalllyy' into the study of the last days:
I am confused why you would be focusing on this book of REV. Not saying that it is incorrect to do, as we should know our scripture. But why not rather focus on scripture that can bring you closer to God? Teach you something so that you can teach others?
This subject only brings out 'collision' / 'tension' between people.
Its clearly known that not the angels in heaven knows the date and not even Jesus knows the date when this will begin. Only God knows. So why bother trying to figure it out? Focus on something like Efesiers 6 (not sure what is is called in english)
About the Spiritual armor.
Put on your boots and spread the good word of God to the nations!
Hello Neshama,
Notice what Apostle Paul was covering in Ephesians 6 with... that "whole armour of God"...
Eph 6:10-18
10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of His might.
11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
That "whole armour of God" is so we can "stand against the wiles of the devil." Paul will show us in a later verse more of the day that 'stand' is for.
12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
The battle Paul speaks of is not against flesh and blood, but against spiritual darkness.
13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
That "to stand" is the Greek word histemi, which means 'to make a stand, to be firm, to establish'. But what is that "evil day"?
I heard a retired preacher once say in his sermon, "now we don't know what this 'evil day' is...". He was basically saying no one knows. I don't think the Ephesians were blind to what 'evil day' Paul was pointing to. Apostle Paul had warned the Churches about the events of the end of days as our Lord Jesus did, and they were on watch even back in their days, keeping the Faith.
Eph.6:14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:
18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;
(KJV)
That Message is for Christ's Church in each generation. It just so happens that in our generation, the signs of the end our Lord Jesus gave are appearing. So Paul's Message there about that "evil day" applies to the coming tribulation for our generation. The last generation of Christ's return has a special wake-up call to be watching the signs of the end of this present world.
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Good day at everyone who is 'reaaalllyy' into the study of the last days:
I am confused why you would be focusing on this book of REV. Not saying that it is incorrect to do, as we should know our scripture. But why not rather focus on scripture that can bring you closer to God? Teach you something so that you can teach others?
This subject only brings out 'collision' / 'tension' between people.
Its clearly known that not the angels in heaven knows the date and not even Jesus knows the date when this will begin. Only God knows. So why bother trying to figure it out? Focus on something like Efesiers 6 (not sure what is is called in english)
About the Spiritual armor.
Put on your boots and spread the good word of God to the nations!
If prophecy wasn't important, then why is there so much of it in God's Word? Prophecy can bring people closer to God. And in my case it brought me to God!
Should we ignore God's prophetic Word because you and some others think it's unimportant?
Should we ignore God's Word because you think it's not profitable?
All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness
Holy now Batman! My timex takes a licking but its quit ticking... To the Batmobile Robin... Dang Batman i thought we were going to the belfry.
Hero, I am not quite sure how yo arrived at this however if you have a caculator and understand that before any anti-chirst could enter even a make shift tent type temple's inner-sanctum to commit the Abomination of Desolation that tempe/tent must have a corner stone. The Daily Sacrifice must have been started several years prior and stopped 30 days before that tent/temple is erected. The Daily Sascrfce must have been stopped 30 days before the setting of the corner stone. Also consider Barrak has already achieved world fame as the president of the USA. However. prophecy notes that the anti-christ will achieve world fame when he is wounded and healed. One of the first things on the agenda for satan when he is cast down is to kill the two witnesses and the two witnesses will have had power for 1,260 days prior to that.
Understand many claim vast things of a Biblical nature to increase their treasure. Keep this in mind whenever exploring the ideas given by someone making claims of a divine nature.
And I seek no currency or noteriety for presenting this.
This is of divine knowledge:
The two witnesses have yet to start, they have yet to know when to start.
Hero, I am not quite sure how yo arrived at this however if you have a caculator and understand that before any anti-chirst could enter even a make shift tent type temple's inner-sanctum to commit the Abomination of Desolation that tempe/tent must have a corner stone. The Daily Sacrifice must have been started several years prior and stopped 30 days before that tent/temple is erected. The Daily Sascrfce must have been stopped 30 days before the setting of the corner stone. Also consider Barrak has already achieved world fame as the president of the USA. However. prophecy notes that the anti-christ will achieve world fame when he is wounded and healed. One of the first things on the agenda for satan when he is cast down is to kill the two witnesses and the two witnesses will have had power for 1,260 days prior to that.
Understand many claim vast things of a Biblical nature to increase their treasure. Keep this in mind whenever exploring the ideas given by someone making claims of a divine nature.
And I seek no currency or noteriety for presenting this.
This is of divine knowledge:
The two witnesses have yet to start, they have yet to know when to start.
You know people like yourself have made these kind of predictions and as expected it did not happen as they thought it would. So it would beg to ask this question. What one would call a person who fails to learn from the foolishness of others?
There is no scripture in the Bible that says that the Church will be raptured before the Great Tribulation. There will still be work to be done during that time as well. Many people will turn to God during that time.
HeroOfGod wrote:
"This is no speculation! This is divinely confirmed!"
Hero, I am not trying to deny you or your understanding. I would like to know just
how that information was divinely confirmed.
Was your evaluation through prayer prayer and math?
Were you given a vision during your awake time or during your asleep time?
Did you meet or see God, Jesus or an angel?
Was your vision on of words or symbols?
In any case, did you test it? - If so how? And can you be specific?
When I see others words saying to the effect; we cannot know the day or the hour,
I get concerned as the day or the hour scripture is usually aimed at the occurance
of the rapture not the advent of Tribulations. In fact God's Word actually lays out
pretty specific time increments that we can know the day Tribulations begins. It
seems many do not understand the amplitude of emotions one goes through when
trying to figure out the whens and wheres. Being in error does not make you an
anti-christ only makes you human. Through Jesus our mistakes are covered by blood
and washed clean. Oh the feeling we receive when we discover or think with all our
heart that we have un-covered a secret seemingly impossible to find.
TheWarIs1 wrote: "A short list of Traits for the AntiChrist
1.. will not desire women.
2. Not regard any god.
3. will not believe in the God of his fathers
4 Magnifies himself above all
No Obama does not qualify in any of these yet...
I don't think it's possible he has already been disqualified.
Case closed."
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ok... TheWarIs1 - it is possible Obama is the anti-christ - although I do stand in agreement with
you that he is not.
1.. will not desire women - the anti-christ that receives the mortal wound could desire women
until such a time as Satan takes over the body of the anti-christ. Then having no desire for women
would begin and still the prophecy stays intact.
2.. If I am not mistaken it is believed the anti-christ prior to entering the inner-sanctum will be
professing God and not denying God. If he was to deny God, he would never be allowed in the temple,
let alone the inner-sanctum.
3. This one is covered in the afore mentioned idea as well.
4. Once Satan takes over the body of the anti-christ and emerges from the inner-sanctum he can
attempt to magnify himself above God. Just because the ant-christ whose body Satan takes did not
attempt to magnify himself above God does not mean Satan will not as well.
Although I sincerely do not believe Obama is the anti-christ... I do believe it is possible and I do believe
Obama is not out of the woods as being an anti-christ.
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Buzzfruit wrote:
"You know people like yourself have made these kind of predictions and as expected it did not happen as
they thought it would. So it would beg to ask this question. What one would call a person who fails to
learn from the foolishness of others?"
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"You know people like yourself have made these kind of predictions and as expected it did not happen as
they thought it would."
To this I would comment: First, odds are sooner or later someone will be right.
What I would call a person who fails to learn from the foolishness of others?---
Second, to comment on this I would say: HUMAN? Oh, and possibly a mite excited
in discovery (right or wrong) of a new idea or approach.
"This is no speculation! This is divinely confirmed!"
Hero, I am not trying to deny you or your understanding. I would like to know just
how that information was divinely confirmed.
Was your evaluation through prayer prayer and math?
Were you given a vision during your awake time or during your asleep time?
Did you meet or see God, Jesus or an angel?
Was your vision on of words or symbols?
In any case, did you test it? - If so how? And can you be specific?
When I see others words saying to the effect; we cannot know the day or the hour,
I get concerned as the day or the hour scripture is usually aimed at the occurance
of the rapture not the advent of Tribulations. In fact God's Word actually lays out
pretty specific time increments that we can know the day Tribulations begins. It
seems many do not understand the amplitude of emotions one goes through when
trying to figure out the whens and wheres. Being in error does not make you an
anti-christ only makes you human. Through Jesus our mistakes are covered by blood
and washed clean. Oh the feeling we receive when we discover or think with all our
heart that we have un-covered a secret seemingly impossible to find.
TheWarIs1 wrote: "A short list of Traits for the AntiChrist
1.. will not desire women.
2. Not regard any god.
3. will not believe in the God of his fathers
4 Magnifies himself above all
No Obama does not qualify in any of these yet...
I don't think it's possible he has already been disqualified.
Case closed."
--------------------------------------------------------
ok... TheWarIs1 - it is possible Obama is the anti-christ - although I do stand in agreement with
you that he is not.
1.. will not desire women - the anti-christ that receives the mortal wound could desire women
until such a time as Satan takes over the body of the anti-christ. Then having no desire for women
would begin and still the prophecy stays intact.
2.. If I am not mistaken it is believed the anti-christ prior to entering the inner-sanctum will be
professing God and not denying God. If he was to deny God, he would never be allowed in the temple,
let alone the inner-sanctum.
3. This one is covered in the afore mentioned idea as well.
4. Once Satan takes over the body of the anti-christ and emerges from the inner-sanctum he can
attempt to magnify himself above God. Just because the ant-christ whose body Satan takes did not
attempt to magnify himself above God does not mean Satan will not as well.
Although I sincerely do not believe Obama is the anti-christ... I do believe it is possible and I do believe
Obama is not out of the woods as being an anti-christ.
----------------------------------------------------------
Buzzfruit wrote:
"You know people like yourself have made these kind of predictions and as expected it did not happen as
they thought it would. So it would beg to ask this question. What one would call a person who fails to
learn from the foolishness of others?"
---------------
"You know people like yourself have made these kind of predictions and as expected it did not happen as
they thought it would."
To this I would comment: First, odds are sooner or later someone will be right.
What I would call a person who fails to learn from the foolishness of others?---
Second, to comment on this I would say: HUMAN? Oh, and possibly a mite excited
in discovery (right or wrong) of a new idea or approach.
Hi Terry,
I would propose that the verses cited from Daniel Chapter 11 having nothing to do with the a/c, -- these belong to another. But to validate any premise, it would be prudent to resolve verses 1 through 45, and NOT treat this comprehensive prophecy as a cafeteria, picking and choosing verses out of context.
To All,
In order to understand prophecy one should consider the literal versus the figurative. Take for instance the three citations of ~women~ in this chapter. In verse 6 the reference is to the State Department; in verse 17 the reference is to the CIA; and in verse 37 it is in reference to the greater government.
But until one assembles all the pieces of this Chapter's fulfillments, one might never even guess the significance of this prophecy.
BibleScribe
That's what a false prophest would hope. A real prophet of God always get it right the first time.
Not all human beings repeat the foolishness of others.....but the unwise can't seem to learn.
revturmoil
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Maybe you don't know that the book of Revelation is the only book in the bible with a blessing for those who read it both at the beginning of it and at the end of it.Good day at everyone who is 'reaaalllyy' into the study of the last days:
I am confused why you would be focusing on this book of REV. Not saying that it is incorrect to do, as we should know our scripture. But why not rather focus on scripture that can bring you closer to God? Teach you something so that you can teach others?
This subject only brings out 'collision' / 'tension' between people.
Its clearly known that not the angels in heaven knows the date and not even Jesus knows the date when this will begin. Only God knows. So why bother trying to figure it out? Focus on something like Efesiers 6 (not sure what is is called in english)
About the Spiritual armor.
Put on your boots and spread the good word of God to the nations!
We don't know the day or hour but we can know the season of His return.
It was bible prophecy that brought me to the Lord.
Christian's should not complain or judge what others do for God. We are not all called to do the same things.
Revelation 1:3 ¶Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.
Revelation 22:7 Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.
There are no longer any prophets or apostles. But we can prophesy. One who prophesy's isn't a prophet.
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