Exploring Trinitarian Logic

[Wrangler]

I know Locke supported limited government and individual rights and freedom.
I still wouldn't want to be known as the father of liberalism

<sigh> My clarification didn’t open your mind one little iota, huh? You’d be better off if you stopped imbuing words with Platonist idealism. Many words have different senses.

Classic Liberalism= good
Leftist Liberalism = bad

The Left deliberately uses words to confuse. For instance, would a group advocating for White privilege be defended by the media? Of course not! BLM is an equally and deliberately named racist group. But that’s OK, right? The media carries their racist, Cultural Marxist water all the time.

Same with equality, equity, transgender, etc. A diabolical aim to use language to obscure and confuse.

 

[RLT63]

<sigh> My clarification didn’t open your mind one little iota, huh? You’d be better off if you stopped imbuing words with Platonist idealism. Many words have different senses.

Classic Liberalism= good
Leftist Liberalism = bad

The Left deliberately uses words to confuse. For instance, would a group advocating for White privilege be defended by the media? Of course not! BLM is an equally and deliberately named racist group. But that’s OK, right? The media carries their racist, Cultural Marxist water all the time.

Same with equality, equity, transgender, etc. A diabolical aim to use language to obscure and confuse.

I get it. Many words are considered dog whistles by the left so they can shut people down without arguing the merits of their statements.
Classical liberalism is nothing like leftism.
I still wouldn't want that title

 

[Keiw]

The Holy Angels know THEY are THREE

In the year that King Uzziah died, I saw the Lord sitting on a throne, high and lifted up, and the train of His robe filled the temple.
Above it stood seraphim; each one had six wings: with two he covered his face, with two he covered his feet, and with two he flew.
And one cried to another and said:

“Holy, Holy, Holy is the Lord of hosts;
The whole earth is full of His glory!”

You missed the whole point in the scriptures ypou used

HE( not we)

 

[Keiw]

What is the #1 commandment???

Thou shalt not have any other gods before your face.

 

[RLT63]

You missed the whole point in the scriptures ypou used

HE( not we)

HOLY, HOLY, HOLY

 

[David in NJ]

You missed the whole point in the scriptures ypou used

HE( not we)

HE is the Word that was God = the Lord

The FATHER WORD HOLY SPIRIT are always THERE

the Word that became flesh Says: "no one comes to the FATHER but thru the ME"

Therefore HE, the Lord

 

[David in NJ]

Thou shalt not have any other gods before your face.

“I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.

You shall have no other gods before Me.

You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in the heavens above, on the earth below, or in the waters beneath.
You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God,

 

[David in NJ]

Likewise//kind of dumbfounded myself RTL63

f2f was banned?

 

[RLT63]

f2f was banned?

That's what they're saying.

 

[David in NJ]

That's what they're saying.

i did not request it
However, he was stepping on thin ice and started personal attacks(not on me)

i hope he comes back and makes amends

 

[Aunty Jane]

So if you believe people have a soul you are Platonist?

Since the Bible does not teach that we “have” a soul....but that we “are” a soul (as long as breath is in our lungs causing our heart to beat and our brain to function)....Plato was a pagan Greek philosopher...and influenced later “Christian” theology.....he was not a Christian, nor was he the worshipper of the true God Yahweh.

Plato strongly believed in the soul, considering it the source of life and the mind, and further arguing that the soul is immortal and exists separately from the body, capable of living on after death; this is most prominently explained in his dialogue "Phaedo" where he presents arguments for the soul's immortality.

Key points about Plato's view on the soul:

• Tripartite Soul:
  Plato famously divided the soul into three parts: the rational (reasoning), spirited (emotions), and appetitive (desires).
  
  
• Realm of Forms:
  Plato believed the soul could access the "Realm of Forms" where perfect and eternal ideas exist, which is why he considered the soul to be immortal.

As you would expect from a pagan Greek philosopher.....

The teaching of an immortal soul was not from scripture, but from pagan ideas about life after death.
There is no life after death because the dead are not conscious. (Eccl 9:5, 10)
The Jews and early Christians believed in resurrection, which was a resoration of life...not a continuation of it, somewhere else.

Jesus demonstrated exactly what a resurrection is.....(John 11:11-14)

 

[RLT63]

Since the Bible does not teach that we “have” a soul....but that we “are” a soul (as long as breath is in our lungs causing our heart to beat and our brain to function)....Plato was a pagan Greek philosopher...and influenced later “Christian” theology.....he was not a Christian, nor was he the worshipper of the true God Yahweh.

As you would expect from a pagan Greek philosopher.....

The teaching of an immortal soul was not from scripture, but from pagan ideas about life after death.
There is no life after death because the dead are not conscious. (Eccl 9:5, 10)
The Jews and early Christians believed in resurrection, which was a resoration of life...not a continuation of it, somewhere else.

Jesus demonstrated exactly what a resurrection is.....(John 11:11-14)

I was asking Wrangler. Not sure what his position is on the eternal soul. I know yours

 

[RLT63]

i did not request it
However, he was stepping on thin ice and started personal attacks(not on me)

i hope he comes back and makes amends

You can’t make personal attacks on this forum? I get my fair share I didn’t know there were actually rules against it

 

[David in NJ]

You can’t make personal attacks on this forum? I get my fair share I didn’t know there were actually rules against it

Well, as long as it is light and nobody complains.

Persistent and vulgar will get a person banned.

 

[RLT63]

Well, as long as it is light and nobody complains.

Persistent and vulgar will get a person banned.

Oh, I see

 

[ProDeo]

First, who said you have attacked me. I do not consider anyone truly as attacking me in the real sense even in words on tis site. I believe I'm above all that noise and nuisance. Not that I can get a little annoyed and fire back of course. Things like this do not really bother me and I do not live my life this way at all.
Back to judging..

Let me review verses 1-6 lightly, and in light of the criticism I got from you and others and of course you are entitled to it as I am.

No, I am not.

John 13:34 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another.
John 13:35 By this all people will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”

Rom 12:10 Love one another with brotherly affection. Outdo one another in showing honor.

2Petr 1:5 For this very reason, make every effort to supplement your faith with virtue, and virtue with knowledge,
2Petr 1:6 and knowledge with self-control, and self-control with steadfastness, and steadfastness with godliness,
2Petr 1:7 and godliness with brotherly affection, and brotherly affection with love.

Verses 1-6 – Judge without hypocrisy and avoid angry and violent people
Verse 1: If we judge others expect to be judged by them also.

This verse has been hijacked and became popular for the non-believers that have twisted this verse to mean we cannot judge anyone, at any time; else we are always self-righteous and hypocritical. As they believe, no person is righteous and unbiased. Non-believers of course rarely ever go beyond quoting the first verse.

Verse 2: If we do judge expect to be judged on the same subject and in the same way.

We should judge without self-righteousness and hypocrisy.

Verses 3-5: If we judge and knowingly have the same issue for this judgment we are potentially hypocrites.

We must be sure we are not judging unfairly and without cause else we shall be judged by the same standard. We judge in a tone suited for the occasion, importance and setting.

Verse 6: We are to move on and not waste our time and effort in sharing the things of God, especially if the person or persons expected to be confronted is already judged/predicted to become angry and even violence.

So, in judging Trinitarians on their false claim about Christ and God expect much pushback.

Have a great Day PD..moving on

Verse 6 (as you put it) become angry and even violence does not apply about judgemental post, if you insist on using Matt 7 then verse 3-5 apply to you.

And BTW, your post was against the forum rules.

Post without getting personal.

Basta.

 

[ProDeo]

You can’t make personal attacks on this forum? I get my fair share I didn’t know there were actually rules against it

Well, if you want to be a Christian forum...

 

[Aunty Jane]

I was asking Wrangler. Not sure what his position is on the eternal soul. I know yours

Do you disagree? If you do, can you provide Scriptural evidence for an “immortal soul” and tell me why in all of scripture these two words are never found side by side in one single verse?

If the trinity is illogical, what about the fact that the Bible does not mention an immortal soul either?

 

[Scott Downey]

Do you disagree? If you do, can you provide Scriptural evidence for an “immortal soul” and tell me why in all of scripture these two words are never found side by side in one single verse?

If the trinity is illogical, what about the fact that the Bible does not mention an immortal soul either?

The immortality of the soul is clearly seen in many places in Scripture. For example, in Psalm 23:6 David says, “I will dwell in the house of the Lord forever.”

In Ecclesiastes 12:7 the Preacher mentions two things that happen at death: “The dust returns to the ground it came from, and the spirit returns to God who gave it.”

In 2 Corinthians 5:8 Paul says that to be “absent from the body” is to be “present with the Lord” (NKJV). All these passages indicate that the soul is immortal.

If the spirit returns to God, then it is immortal as we are also made in the image of God who is immortal.

Of course God does this too.
Matthew 10:28
And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

In that sense, the soul is immortal as long as God does not destroy it.
I don't view scripture as having to say it exactly to show souls are immortal. Al believing souls are immortal for example, it tells us that by saying they have eternal life and will never perish, Jesus gives that to them.

John 10
27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. 28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand.

 

[RLT63]

Do you disagree? If you do, can you provide Scriptural evidence for an “immortal soul” and tell me why in all of scripture these two words are never found side by side in one single verse?

If the trinity is illogical, what about the fact that the Bible does not mention an immortal soul either?

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