Let's start with quote #18, since Christ is the most important subject any person can talk about
I find the best conversations are those that stay focused on Him.
Expose on Mormonism.
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I find the best conversations are those that stay focused on Him.
I believe that your understanding of the Bible Jesus is tainted by the added information.
If you have concerns or want to know something about my belief in Christ or relationship with Him, just ask.
I already addressed some false information (by getting the right information out) in post #19.
Dude, my faith is not based in Joseph Smith. It's based in Christ. Christ is my Savior, and no one else.
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Harvest 1874
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Actually the Holy angels, the angelic sons of God (Job 38:7), that is those who didn't succumb to the temptations which their fallen brethren did in the first age, have always walked in the Father's ways likewise, even as our Lord, that is why they are called "Holy" angels. Nevertheless your point is taken.
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However, the Christ that you say is your Saviour, the definition of who He is, is tainted by the words of Joseph Smith; so that the Jesus you believe in is a different Jesus than the Jesus of the Bible (e.g. 2 Corinthians 11:3-4 (kjv) is prophetic of what God foresaw would happen with Joseph Smith, and so is Galatians 1:8: and 2 Corinthians 11:13-15 is prophetic of what God foresaw would happen with those who followed the teachings of Mormonism).
Again, if you have any questions or concerns about my faith in Christ, you are welcome to directly ask them.
CoreIssue
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I didn't read the link because I'm sure there's nothing there I haven't seen before. So I'll just point out key things about Mormonism I consider critical.
The everyday Mormon is not taught what is taught to Temple Mormons. Only they have been determined to have progressed to the point they can handle the information.
Jesus and Satan are physical sons of God the father and one of his wives.
The father and his wives are the offspring of another God in his wives on another planet. There are untold numbers of planets and Gods in Mormonism.
Salvation is by works.
You can work your way from an average believer to a temple Mormon to being an angel and then to being a God.
The book of Mormon is another part of the Bible.
There are several other books that are sacred to Mormons.
Every body was born as a spirit child to the father and his wives. Then they descend to the earth into their earthly mother's.
There's tons more, but that hits the highlights which make it clear to everyone Mormonism is a cult.
The everyday Mormon is not taught what is taught to Temple Mormons. Only they have been determined to have progressed to the point they can handle the information.
Jesus and Satan are physical sons of God the father and one of his wives.
The father and his wives are the offspring of another God in his wives on another planet. There are untold numbers of planets and Gods in Mormonism.
Salvation is by works.
You can work your way from an average believer to a temple Mormon to being an angel and then to being a God.
The book of Mormon is another part of the Bible.
There are several other books that are sacred to Mormons.
Every body was born as a spirit child to the father and his wives. Then they descend to the earth into their earthly mother's.
There's tons more, but that hits the highlights which make it clear to everyone Mormonism is a cult.
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If you do not define the Jesus and doctrine that you believe in by the doctrines of Mormonism, then, technically, you are not a Mormon.
Yet you claim to be a Mormon but deny that you believe in the doctrines of Mormonism:
such as, what was posted in post #35, above (Expose on Mormonism.).
Do you believe what is posted in that post (#35), understanding that those teachings come from Mormon sources?
re #49.
Yet you claim to be a Mormon but deny that you believe in the doctrines of Mormonism:
such as, what was posted in post #35, above (Expose on Mormonism.).
Do you believe what is posted in that post (#35), understanding that those teachings come from Mormon sources?
re #49.
I'm going to cut to the chase here:
I've already shown you that your expose is full of false information. My post was ignored. The quotes in #35 were cherry-picked from non-authoritative sources and critically important context. My repeated statements explaining my love of Christ and invitations for you to ask questions have been met with no real response. I am feeling like you only want to see this stereotype in your head and don't remotely about what I say or actually believe.
@justbyfaith, what you've been told about "the other Christ Mormons believe in" is bunk. Now, I don't care if you want to get your facts straight or just want to believe that bunk. That's your choice. I'm going to continue on celebrating my Savior regardless.
See chapter 4 of the expose.
But I am happy to hear that your faith isn't based in Joseph Smith.
And they are full of more false information.
Post #50 is full of more yet more false informaiton.
Again: @justbyfaith are YOU interested in getting the facts straight of what I ACTUALLY believe?
The titles of chapters 4 and 8 are "Guide to Documentation" and "Documentation". That should tell you something right there.
You have a vested interest in believing that the documentation presented is false information. Perhaps you have even been taught to say that anything that contradicts your faith presented from Mormon sources is false information.
But the proof will be in the pudding: if you go and search out in your own resources whether this information is true or not, and find that it is true, perhaps even then you will not be convinced.
However, I do not believe that those attempting to win Mormons to Christ would attempt to win them with information that didn't check out when the Mormon prospect looked into it themselves. The process would be self-defeating.
But once you've looked into it within the resources given to you by the Mormon church, then maybe you can get back to me and tell me that it was all false information...after you have done the research. But I don't think that you have had the time to do that yet.
You have a vested interest in believing that the documentation presented is false information. Perhaps you have even been taught to say that anything that contradicts your faith presented from Mormon sources is false information.
But the proof will be in the pudding: if you go and search out in your own resources whether this information is true or not, and find that it is true, perhaps even then you will not be convinced.
However, I do not believe that those attempting to win Mormons to Christ would attempt to win them with information that didn't check out when the Mormon prospect looked into it themselves. The process would be self-defeating.
But once you've looked into it within the resources given to you by the Mormon church, then maybe you can get back to me and tell me that it was all false information...after you have done the research. But I don't think that you have had the time to do that yet.
Are you a temple Mormon?
If you are not, then I believe what has been said about it that the non-temple Mormons are not given the whole scoop (on what are the real doctrines of Mormonism).
If you are, then you would be among those who are in step with the conspiracy to keep the real doctrines of Mormonism away from the non-temple Mormons; and how would you be able to do that if you revealed it to non-Mormons?
By all means, give us a synopsis of what you believe as a non-temple Mormon. Please be sure to define your terms as you go along.
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