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Featured Exposing The Legalist (heretic)

Discussion in 'Christian Spirituality Forum' started by Behold, Nov 17, 2020.

  1. Heart2Soul

    Heart2Soul Spiritual Warrior Staff Member

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    I am safe...promise. preachers have never been much of a friend to me.
     
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    Michiah-Imla Well-Known Member

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    On the contrary: a heretic is someone who KEEPS giving vain credit to the cross while continuing in sin. This is the worker of iniquity who will be denied when they stand before Christ:

    Matthew 7:21,23 KJV
    [21] Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. [23] And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

    Here is what the scriptures say a heretic is:

    A heretic causes divisions and offenses contrary to the truth (Romans 16:17); the WHOLE truth, not just one truth of the cross.

    A heretic serves his own desires, not God’s desires; they also speak well and use good words (Romans 16:18).

    A heretic is someone to be avoided because he commits sins while pretending to be a brother (1 Corinthians 5:11; 2 Thessalonians 3:6).

    A heretic spoils saints by using philosophy, vain deceit (like OSAS) and traditions of men (Colossians 2:8).

    A heretic is disobedient to the word (2 Thessalonians 3:14).

    Finally, heretics thrive because deceived “believers” enable them (2 Timothy 4:3).
     
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    Michiah-Imla Well-Known Member

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    Job 28:28 KJV
    [28] And unto man [God] said, Behold, the fear of the Lord, that is wisdom; and to depart from evil is understanding.

    2 Corinthians 7:1 KJV
    [1] Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.
     
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    CharismaticLady Well-Known Member

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    Charismatic is not a denomination, but anyone who has received the baptism of the Holy Spirit with gifts. They can be in any denomination. They are Philadelphians from the 7 letters of Jesus to the churches and believe all of the New Covenant. I'm not worried about losing my salvation because I have the assurance described in 1 John 3:21-24, and all my prayers ARE answered and I receive what was prayed for 100% of the time.
     
  5. Ferris Bueller

    Ferris Bueller Well-Known Member

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    No, lol. Just because someone thinks they can lose their salvation doesn't mean they think they can lose it for not doing enough works to earn it. You need to get a little more educated about what they believe.
     
  6. Ferris Bueller

    Ferris Bueller Well-Known Member

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    You're showing your ignorance of what's going on in the head of the legalist in the church. I'm not talking about bona fide lost unbelievers who exist outside of the church who think their good must outweigh their bad for them to go to heaven. Save that discussion for the evangelistic field out there in the world. I'm talking about the genuine believer who struggles under the weight of the believer's obligation to walk in the Spirit. They don't believe fulfilling that obligation earns them salvation. You just think they believe that. What they believe is for them not to walk in the obligation of the Spirit is a sign of UNBELIEF. Even Calvinism, the original once saved always saved teaching, teaches this!
     
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    Ferris Bueller Well-Known Member

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    Yes. But that's not what I said. What I said was not all enemies of the cross are legalists. And that's important to this thread because many of those who rail against legalism are enemies of the cross themselves. Why? Because they have gone to the other extreme and abuse the grace of God. Which is by far worse because they are doing it out of knowledge of grace. Whereas the legalist in the church is not. The legalist doesn't know better. The greasy gracer does. His condemnation will be great.

    I'll say it again so you can begin to understand the mind of the legalist in the church. They don't think the cross needs adding to. They view not doing what God commands as the absence of faith in the cross that saves/transforms all by itself.
     
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    Ferris Bueller Well-Known Member

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    No, no, no. lol. Abiding is BELIEVING. You have to be believing in Christ to be saved. Some say you can never stop believing. Others say you can stop believing. But neither of those arguments takes away the truth that you have to be believing (abiding) to be saved.

    1 John 2:24
    24As for you, let that abide in you which you heard from the beginning. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, you also will abide in the Son and in the Father.

    Believing in Christ (abiding in Christ) to be saved IS NOT LEGALISM.
     
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    Ferris Bueller Well-Known Member

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    Generally speaking, that's not what happens in the church. What happens is these people understand that only BELIEVING people are saved people. Even Calvinists—the original once saved always saved denomination—believe this! Calvinist believe that if you don't do good works it shows your unbelief and that you never really believed to begin with. Non-Calvy's also say if you don't do good works it shows your unbelief, but they say that you either never really believed to begin with or you lost your faith. So in the church, legalism is NOT about trying to earn salvation by your works. These saved church people, who you like to label as works salvationist legalists, know better than greasy gracers, that works is the SIGN of the believing person. And that ONLY believing people will be saved when Jesus comes back.

    Save your 'working to earn salvation' argument for the evangelistic field. Take that message to your work place, or the corner market, or to your neighbor next door. Those are the people who are working to earn their salvation. Saved Christians are not. Saved Christians can get in a fluster about doing enough works but it's not in order to earn their salvation. It's about fulfilling the obligation to the Spirit faith in Christ demands. Something greasy gracers—also enemies of the cross, who live for the appetites of the flesh in open abuse of grace—disregard altogether.
     
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    Wow, incredible on point for me. Thank you. Wouldn't it be awesome to have wallpaper of the scriptures?! I need to see more than I can all day every day.
     
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    I got my results. I'm Covid POSITIVE. I've got the 'vid!
     
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    Ferris Bueller Well-Known Member

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    Yes, those were good verses. I'm tired of people saying just the attempt to be obedient is you legalistically trying to save yourself. They know nothing about a good healthy fear of God being the foundation of faith in God.
     
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    You are continually in my prayers! How are you feeling today?
     
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    @AlsoAnne , my journey out of legalism as a Christian started here......

    Revelation 3:2
    I have not found your deeds completed in the sight of My God.

    I had had a dramatic Luke 18:13-14 salvation experience and I was extremely zealous for the Lord, serving in my little non-denominational church. I was like a pillar of the church. But a very convincing and popular teaching was circulating at that time that Christ was coming back at a particular time....and then another particular time when that didn't happen, lol. But it made me wonder if I was truly ready to meet the Lord, despite my zealous, even joyful work in the church. The Spirit was impressing these verses on my soul.....

    Ephesians 5:10
    find out what pleases the Lord.

    Ephesians 5:17
    understand what the Lord's will is.

    God was taking me away from the emphasis on spiritual gifts and church ministries as the measure of a real spiritual relationship that full gospel churches teach and showing me what really matters.
     
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    Feeling weaker today. I probably should be hitting the sack soon.
    Your prayers are very much appreciated! Thank you.
     
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    @AlsoAnne There are some threads on favorite Scriptures; Psalms, etc.
     
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    @Ferris Bueller Hope you will feel well soon...

    "Though thy way be long and dreary,
    Eagle strength He'll still renew,
    Garments fresh and foot unweary
    Tell how God hath brought thee through."
     
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    "Behold" -- who holds to false doctrines -- is trying to pontificate again. He really thinks he is the pope come to set aright all other Christians.
    According to this statement, a Christian must do nothing after he or she is saved. Which is PURE BALONEY.
     
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    @Ferris Bueller Ephesians 2 is a great chapter! it's the quickening by the Spirit by grace through faith that is central and essential. :)
     
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