Faith does not save you.

[Behold]

Reader.

You are not saved by FAITH.

You are saved by GOD, through Christ's Sacrifice, becasue you gave God your FAITH in Christ = one time.

Its God's "GRACE......through Faith".

So, you dont keep trying to hold onto your faith so that God will continue to keep saving you.
NO.
You are SAVED, one time.......the very moment that God sees Faith in Christ in your Heart.
He REACTS.
God gives you the eternal "Gift of Salvation"", that is forgiveness of all your sin, and Eternal life.

How do you know you are saved?

A.) BORN AGAIN........and that is once.

B,) You have Jesus in you, and you are "in Christ"...as "one with God".

Its completed. Colossians 2:10

So........What now?

Your Disciplship begins.
The "present your body as a living Sacrifice to God" .......and not to try to stay saved, but because you ARE SAVED.

You learn how to exist in the Eternal SALVATION that you have been given by God, that is your Eternal life.
To learn this, is to "work out your Salvation".....and once you do, then you are this......Paul Explains... "As many as be perfect".
And this is not behavior or good deeds.....this is learning the knowledge of God, so that what He understands that you have become, as a "new Creation in Christ" is now YOUR MIND.......YOUR FAITH.... Your "Helment of Salvation".

 

[bro.tan]

Jesus brought grace when he came in the flesh, but example of grace was in the days of Noah. But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD. (Genesis 6:8), And Noah and his family was saved. Not save from eternal life, but saved from the flood. This is why Jesus had to come. Paul says in Hebrews 9: 24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us: 26 for then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

Now Paul said in (Rom. 3:23-25) (v.23) For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. (v.24) Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

(v.25) Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God.

So the bible tells you to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." (Acts 2 :36-38). And by doing so you come up under his precious blood and then you are saved from your sins that are past, not present or future sins but for sins that are past. We were all locked under death by Adam’s sin, even the second death, which is the lake of fire. But when Jesus became (he was God in the beginning) man and died for the sins of the world, he gave us access back to the tree of life (himself) which Adam had caused us to lose. That’s what grace is, our free gift our access back to the tree of life but that’s another lesson for another time.

So by coming under the blood of Jesus being baptize, you are saved from your past sins. And if you are saved now, it is on a day to day basis. Because for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God (Romans 23:3), and if you continue to live you will sin again.

Now we must believe (have faith) Jesus died for us (Hebrews 10:4,9-10) 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. 9 then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. 10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

This doesn't mean we don't have to obey God's moral laws of conduct. That would be like a man getting paroled from prison and then ignoring the same laws that sent him to prison in the first place. Jesus only died once, so if we willingly break God's law, after accepting Jesus, our reward will be eternal damnation

 

[Behold]

We are not saved by FAITH.
We are saved by GOD, through Christ's Sacrifice,= becasue...... you gave God your FAITH in Christ = one time.

Its God's "GRACE......through Faith".

So, after you are saved... you dont keep trying to hold onto your faith so that God will continue to keep saving you.
NO.
You are SAVED, one time.......the very moment that God sees Faith in Christ in your Heart.
He REACTS.
God immediately gives you the eternal "Gift of Salvation"", that is forgiveness of all your sin, and Eternal life.

How do you know you are saved?

A.) BORN AGAIN........and that is once.

B,) You now have Jesus in you, and you are "in Christ"...as "one with God"., if you are born again, and not just water baptised and religious.

Its completed. Colossians 2:10........the born again have received God's Salvation..

So........What now?.....>Now that you have received God's Salvation..?

Your Disciplship begins.
You "present your body as a living Sacrifice to God" .......and not to try to stay saved,.... but because you ARE SAVED.

Most Christians never understand this eternal reality.......Most Christian are trying to keep themselves saved with their discipleship, when in fact, they are already saved, having Received from God......."THE GIFT of Salvation".

So, its vital that every Christian, understands that SALVATION is Jesus on The Cross, provided for you, as your SALVATION.... and after you have received God's Salvation......... you then give God your life, as your Discipleship.

Notice that SALVATiON and Discipleship, are not the same thing.....and most Christian try to provide their Discipleship to God to try to stay saved, and that isn't Christianity, that is LEGALISM.

So, now that you have God's Eternal Salvation, you learn how to exist in the Eternal SALVATION that you have been given by God, that is your Eternal life.
To learn this, is to "work out your Salvation".....and once you do, then you are this......Paul Explains... "As many as be perfect".
And this is not behavior or good deeds.....this is learning the knowledge of God, so that what He understands that you have become, as a "new Creation in Christ" is now YOUR MIND.......YOUR FAITH.... Your "Helment of Salvation".

 

[Rich R]

Jesus brought grace when he came in the flesh, but example of grace was in the days of Noah. But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD. (Genesis 6:8), And Noah and his family was saved. Not save from eternal life, but saved from the flood. This is why Jesus had to come. Paul says in Hebrews 9: 24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us: 26 for then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

Now Paul said in (Rom. 3:23-25) (v.23) For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. (v.24) Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

(v.25) Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God.

So the bible tells you to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." (Acts 2 :36-38). And by doing so you come up under his precious blood and then you are saved from your sins that are past, not present or future sins but for sins that are past. We were all locked under death by Adam’s sin, even the second death, which is the lake of fire. But when Jesus became (he was God in the beginning) man and died for the sins of the world, he gave us access back to the tree of life (himself) which Adam had caused us to lose. That’s what grace is, our free gift our access back to the tree of life but that’s another lesson for another time.

So by coming under the blood of Jesus being baptize, you are saved from your past sins. And if you are saved now, it is on a day to day basis. Because for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God (Romans 23:3), and if you continue to live you will sin again.

Now we must believe (have faith) Jesus died for us (Hebrews 10:4,9-10) 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. 9 then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. 10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

This doesn't mean we don't have to obey God's moral laws of conduct. That would be like a man getting paroled from prison and then ignoring the same laws that sent him to prison in the first place. Jesus only died once, so if we willingly break God's law, after accepting Jesus, our reward will be eternal damnation

Not one single Christian obeys God's moral law of conduct. All of them, including Paul (Rom 7), sin on a regular basis. If you're right, and I trust you aren't, the new earth will be a lonely place. Jesus will be all by himself.

 

[Toro55]

No anyone can turn to evil at any point temptation is always there to lead you to hell.Some of the most evil people claim to be saved by faith in Jesus and continue in their wicked ways.You claimed they are saved because of believing at one point.Its arrogance there is no humility no love in it.

 

[PS95]

Reader.
You learn how to exist in the Eternal SALVATION that you have been given by God, that is your Eternal life.
To learn this, is to "work out your Salvation".....and once you do, then you are this......Paul Explains... "As many as be perfect".
And this is not behavior or good deeds.....this is learning the knowledge of God, so that what He understands that you have become, as a "new Creation in Christ" is now YOUR MIND.......YOUR FAITH.... Your "Helment of Salvation".

Once you accept Christ as your savior. You are forgiven sins BUT that is NOT ALL. FUTURE Behavior does matter. Paul did not teach that lie of yours!! Look what Paul had to say about SIN and the entering the KINDGDOM of God & Christ.
We are being made holy- sanctification. God is working in us by His Spirit. This IS not earning salvation. It is cooperation with the Spirit- do not grieve the Spirit.
We died to sin- that is not just some gnostic invisible way- it is REALLY dying to sin by putting the deeds of the flesh to death BY THE SPIRIT! Paul said believers will NOT enter the Kingdom of God and Christ if they do not repent of their sins. Deal with these, Behold..!
You are not teaching TRUTH & you are certainly not teaching Paul.. You have not once addressed these! Stop playing games. This matters.
WE are to bring our sinful flesh under submission to Christ by the Spirit given to us.
How can you say behavior does not matter after salvation when you read Paul's words?
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But among you, as is proper among the saints, there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed. / Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk, or crude joking, which are out of character, but rather thanksgiving. / For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure, or greedy person (that is, an idolater) has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Eph 5:3-5

Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who submit to or perform homosexual acts, / nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor verbal abusers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. --1 Cor 6

The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity, and debauchery; / idolatry and sorcery; hatred, discord, jealousy, and rage; rivalries, divisions, factions, / and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. --Galatians 5:19-21


For you know what commandments we gave you by the authority of the Lord Jesus. 3For this is the will of God, your sanctification; that is, that you abstain from sexual immorality; 4that each of you know how to possess his own vessel in sanctification and honor, 5not in lustful passion, like the Gentiles who do not know God; 6and that no man transgress and defraud his brother in the matter because the Lord is the avenger in all these things, just as we also told you before and solemnly warned you. 7For God has not called us for the purpose of impurity, but in sanctification. 8So, he who rejects this is not rejecting man but the God who gives His Holy Spirit to you.
1 Thes 4:2-8

For it is God’s will that you should be holy: You must abstain from sexual immorality; / each of you must know how to control his own body in holiness and honor, / not in lustful passion like the Gentiles who do not know God; 1 Thes 4:3-5

Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its desires. / Do not present the parts of your body to sin as instruments of wickedness, but present yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life; and present the parts of your body to Him as instruments of righteousness. Ro 6:12-13

For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. Ro 8:13

Therefore put to death your members which are on the earth: fornication, uncleanness, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry. --Colossians 3:5

Do you not know that if you present yourselves to anyone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness? Ro 6:16


Let us behave decently, as in the daytime, not in carousing and drunkenness, not in sexual immorality and debauchery, not in dissension and jealousy. / Instead, clothe yourselves with the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the desires of the flesh. Ro 13

Flee from youthful passions and pursue righteousness, faith, love, and peace, together with those who call on the Lord out of a pure heart. 2 Tim 2:22

Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Ro 6:6

Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God. Ro 6:13

 

[bro.tan]

Not one single Christian obeys God's moral law of conduct. All of them, including Paul (Rom 7), sin on a regular basis. If you're right, and I trust you aren't, the new earth will be a lonely place. Jesus will be all by himself.

A man asked Jesus this very question, "...What good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?", and Jesus replied, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. (Matthew 19:16-19).
This was a direct answer to a direct question, which all of us will do well to take heed to. Anybody can claim to have faith, but actions speak louder than words. Faith and works go together and you can't have one without the other. "FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD” (James 2:20).
"Here is the patience of the saints; here are they that keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus" (Revelation 14:12).

 

[Debp]

Not one single Christian obeys God's moral law of conduct. All of them, including Paul (Rom 7), sin on a regular basis. If you're right, and I trust you aren't, the new earth will be a lonely place. Jesus will be all by himself.

I don't think @bro.tan understands "Imputed Righteousness". That Christ takes our sins and gives us His righteousness. That is our legal standing before God. All sins are forgiven...past, present and future by Christ's sacrifice for us.

Now as Christians, we have been given the indwelling Holy Spirit. We seek to walk with the Lord in our daily lives. That is called walking in the Spirit, not walking after the flesh. However since we are still in the body, we might sometimes fail. But thank God, He doesn't disown us if we do.

Bro.tan seems to teach legalism where we must hold onto salvation rather than resting in the blessed assurance of faith.

 

[Rich R]

A man asked Jesus this very question, "...What good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?", and Jesus replied, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. (Matthew 19:16-19).
This was a direct answer to a direct question, which all of us will do well to take heed to. Anybody can claim to have faith, but actions speak louder than words. Faith and works go together and you can't have one without the other. "FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD” (James 2:20).
"Here is the patience of the saints; here are they that keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus" (Revelation 14:12).

Those are all good verses...for Jews at the time Jesus spoke those words.

Matt 15:24,

But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.​

​

Jesus spoke to the Jews while law was still in effect. Things took a radical turn on the day of Pentecost.

Rom 10:9,

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.​

Nothing there about following commandments to be saved. The book of Romans lays the foundational doctrine for Christians. It'd be hard to read it and not come away understanding that nobody can be saved by following the law.

Now, doe that mean a Christian can sin like the proverbial drunken sailor? Well, the can if they want to, but the way I see things is that when a Christian understands the fullness of what God and His son, Jesus Christ, did for them, they will naturally want to do their best to obey God. It's obedience out of love, not out of obligation.

Yes, faith without words is dead. But that says nothing about the persons state before God. Can you somehow stop being your earthly father's son? Once your father's seed impregnated your mother's egg, the deal was done. No turning back. You might be a lousy son of your father, but the son part stays.

 

[Rich R]

I don't think @bro.tan understands "Imputed Righteousness". That Christ takes our sins and gives us His righteousness. That is our legal standing before God. All sins are forgiven...past, present and future by Christ's sacrifice for us.

Now as Christians, we have been given the indwelling Holy Spirit. We seek to walk with the Lord in our daily lives. That is called walking in the Spirit, not walking after the flesh. However since we are still in the body, we might sometimes fail. But thank God, He doesn't disown us if we do.

Bro.tan seems to teach legalism where we must hold onto salvation rather than resting in the blessed assurance of faith.

At one time a was a lousy son to my earthly father. I was still his son though.

Christians ought to endevour to obay God out of love, not obligation. Love for our heavenly Father and Jesus grows as we continue to learn just what they've both done for us. The more that love grows, the more we naturally want to do God's will. It's certainly not out of fear of the seal of holy spirit somehow coming unsealed!

 

[bro.tan]

Those are all good verses...for Jews at the time Jesus spoke those words.

Matt 15:24,

But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.​

​

Jesus spoke to the Jews while law was still in effect. Things took a radical turn on the day of Pentecost.

Rom 10:9,

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.​

Nothing there about following commandments to be saved. The book of Romans lays the foundational doctrine for Christians. It'd be hard to read it and not come away understanding that nobody can be saved by following the law.

Now, doe that mean a Christian can sin like the proverbial drunken sailor? Well, the can if they want to, but the way I see things is that when a Christian understands the fullness of what God and His son, Jesus Christ, did for them, they will naturally want to do their best to obey God. It's obedience out of love, not out of obligation.

Yes, faith without words is dead. But that says nothing about the persons state before God. Can you somehow stop being your earthly father's son? Once your father's seed impregnated your mother's egg, the deal was done. No turning back. You might be a lousy son of your father, but the son part stays.

Paul says in Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. You wouldn’t know what sin was if there was no law.

Paul concerning the unchangeable Royal Law of God. (Rom. 13:7-10) (v.7) Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour. (v.8) Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. That’s the biblical definition of love, the keeping of God’s law. (v.9) For this, THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, THOU SHALT NOT KILL, THOU SHALT NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS, THOU SHALT NOT COVET; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR AS THYSELF. (v.10) Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

And that is what God’s holy commandments are all about; the first four tells you how to love God and the last six tells you how to love your neighbor. If you love your God you will not do any thing to offend him, like having other gods before him. You will do as he says like remember the sabbath day to keep it holy on the seventh day of the week. If you love him you will obey him when he tells you not to eat certain meats etc… And the same goes for your fellow man, if you love your neighbor you wouldn’t steal from him, you wouldn’t kill him, you wouldn’t try and sleep with his wife and so on and so forth. (See exodus 20: 1-17)

This is God’s definition of love and it is perfect in its ways. The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: The testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple. The statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart: The commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes. 9 The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring for ever: The judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether. More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: Sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb. Moreover by them is thy servant warned: And in keeping of them there is great reward. (Psalm 19: 7-11)

So if you say that you know God, but you don’t keep his commandments, lets see what the Lord had specially written for you.

(1John 2:3-4) (v.3) And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. (v.4) he that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

 

[bro.tan]

I don't think @bro.tan understands "Imputed Righteousness". That Christ takes our sins and gives us His righteousness. That is our legal standing before God. All sins are forgiven...past, present and future by Christ's sacrifice for us.

Now as Christians, we have been given the indwelling Holy Spirit. We seek to walk with the Lord in our daily lives. That is called walking in the Spirit, not walking after the flesh. However since we are still in the body, we might sometimes fail. But thank God, He doesn't disown us if we do.

Bro.tan seems to teach legalism where we must hold onto salvation rather than resting in the blessed assurance of faith.

Jesus brought grace when he came in the flesh, but example of grace was in the days of Noah. But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD. (Genesis 6:8), And Noah and his family was saved. Not save from eternal life, but saved from the flood. This is why Jesus had to come. Paul says in Hebrews 9: 24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us: 26 for then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

Now Paul said in (Rom. 3:23-25) (v.23) For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. (v.24) Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

(v.25) Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God.

So the bible tells you to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." (Acts 2 :36-38). And by doing so you come up under his precious blood and then you are saved from your sins that are past, not present or future sins but for sins that are past.

Paul says in Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. You wouldn’t know what sin was if there was no law.

 

[Rich R]

Paul says in Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. You wouldn’t know what sin was if there was no law.

Paul concerning the unchangeable Royal Law of God. (Rom. 13:7-10) (v.7) Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour. (v.8) Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. That’s the biblical definition of love, the keeping of God’s law. (v.9) For this, THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, THOU SHALT NOT KILL, THOU SHALT NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS, THOU SHALT NOT COVET; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR AS THYSELF. (v.10) Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

And that is what God’s holy commandments are all about; the first four tells you how to love God and the last six tells you how to love your neighbor. If you love your God you will not do any thing to offend him, like having other gods before him. You will do as he says like remember the sabbath day to keep it holy on the seventh day of the week. If you love him you will obey him when he tells you not to eat certain meats etc… And the same goes for your fellow man, if you love your neighbor you wouldn’t steal from him, you wouldn’t kill him, you wouldn’t try and sleep with his wife and so on and so forth. (See exodus 20: 1-17)

This is God’s definition of love and it is perfect in its ways. The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: The testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple. The statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart: The commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes. 9 The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring for ever: The judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether. More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: Sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb. Moreover by them is thy servant warned: And in keeping of them there is great reward. (Psalm 19: 7-11)

So if you say that you know God, but you don’t keep his commandments, lets see what the Lord had specially written for you.

(1John 2:3-4) (v.3) And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. (v.4) he that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

You said it yourself..."Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law."

 

[Rich R]

Paul says in Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. You wouldn’t know what sin was if there was no law.

Paul concerning the unchangeable Royal Law of God. (Rom. 13:7-10) (v.7) Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour. (v.8) Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. That’s the biblical definition of love, the keeping of God’s law. (v.9) For this, THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, THOU SHALT NOT KILL, THOU SHALT NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS, THOU SHALT NOT COVET; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR AS THYSELF. (v.10) Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

And that is what God’s holy commandments are all about; the first four tells you how to love God and the last six tells you how to love your neighbor. If you love your God you will not do any thing to offend him, like having other gods before him. You will do as he says like remember the sabbath day to keep it holy on the seventh day of the week. If you love him you will obey him when he tells you not to eat certain meats etc… And the same goes for your fellow man, if you love your neighbor you wouldn’t steal from him, you wouldn’t kill him, you wouldn’t try and sleep with his wife and so on and so forth. (See exodus 20: 1-17)

This is God’s definition of love and it is perfect in its ways. The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: The testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple. The statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart: The commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes. 9 The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring for ever: The judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether. More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: Sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb. Moreover by them is thy servant warned: And in keeping of them there is great reward. (Psalm 19: 7-11)

So if you say that you know God, but you don’t keep his commandments, lets see what the Lord had specially written for you.

(1John 2:3-4) (v.3) And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. (v.4) he that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Why not mention the parts of the law that talk about temple, priests, and sacrifices? Those are as much a part of the law as not coveting, bearing false witness, etc. By what authority do we determine which parts of the law apply and which don't apply if we need to follow the law to remain in good standing with God?

 

[Debp]

you are saved from your sins that are past, not present or future sins but for sins that are past.

This is wrong teaching. If you are correct (which you are not), all of us would be doomed.

@mailmandan @Behold @marks

 

[bro.tan]

This is wrong teaching. If you are correct (which you are not), all of us would be doomed.

@mailmandan @Behold @marks

The commandments of God are not hard to keep (I John 5:3) and furthermore, they teach us love in the highest degree. If you love Jesus you will keep his commandments (St. John 14:15). You will not displease the Lord by: Worshipping other gods, having graven images, taking his name in vain, breaking his Sabbath day (which is Saturday not Sunday), or dishonoring your parents. On the other hand, if you love your neighbor as yourself you will not kill him, commit adultery with his spouse, steal from him, falsely accuse him, or covet anything of his. Stop committing fornication.

This is true love, and if obeyed how much better would our world be? This is why Jesus said that the two greatest commandments are loving the Lord with all your heart, soul, and mind; and loving your neighbor as yourself (Matthew 22:35-40). These two commandments are the foundation of the entire law. Many reject the law, but it is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good (Romans 7:12) even today.

Do not let anyone convince you that it's wrong to keep God's commandments. Don't let anyone deprive you of the opportunity to receive eternal life. We were deprived of this opportunity once, but the death of Jesus has given us another chance. All have sinned (broken the law...Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law (I John 3:4) and the wages of sin is death (Romans 6:23). When Jesus (the true Lamb of God) was sacrificed, he removed our past sins. If we accept Jesus as our sin offering, we are required to repent and get baptized IN THE NAME OF JESUS ("there is none other name under heaven given among men whereby we must be saved..."(Acts 4: 12). This is our last chance Brothers and Sister.

 

[bro.tan]

Why not mention the parts of the law that talk about temple, priests, and sacrifices? Those are as much a part of the law as not coveting, bearing false witness, etc. By what authority do we determine which parts of the law apply and which don't apply if we need to follow the law to remain in good standing with God?

When the bible speaks of laws we no longer have to keep, it is speaking of the animal sacrificial laws and Priesthood laws. These animal sacrificial laws were a school master pointing us to the fact that Jesus would be sacrificed for our sins. Since Jesus died we are no longer under a school master, (required to offer up bulls and goats for our sins).

Now we must believe (have faith) Jesus died for us (Hebrews 10:4,9-10) 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. 9 then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. 10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. 11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: 12 but this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; 13 from henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. 14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

The point that is not understood is that we all have sin, but until Jesus came, there was no way of getting out from under your sins. So God institute a Priesthood and laws that went with the priesthood to control the sinning, and so the Lord use animal Sacrificial laws, even though it could not remove sins.

When Jesus died on the cross that was the end of the first covenant, which consisted of the blood of animals and the keeping of God’s commandments. And his death also brought in the second covenant, which consist of the blood of Jesus and the keeping of God’s commandments. This doesn't mean we don't have to obey God's moral laws of conduct. That would be like a man getting paroled from prison and then ignoring the same laws that sent him to prison in the first place. Jesus only died once, so if we willingly break God's law, after accepting Jesus, our reward will be eternal damnation (Hebrews 10:26-27) 26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. Let us avoid this at all costs, seeking a better reward. Jesus will return real soon And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. (Revelation 22:12).

Throughout the bible we find that in order to receive eternal salvation we must keep God's commandments to the end. If we make a mistake we must not give up, but I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus (Philippians 3:13-14). The last chapter in the whole bible reminds us of this one last time. "Blessed are they that do his commandments that they may have right to the tree of life." (Revelation 22:14). After this we find only seven more verses in the bible, and none of them does away with God's commandments.

 

[bro.tan]

You said it yourself..."Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law."

The bible says, we must not only be a hearer of the word, but a doer of the word also (James 1:21-22). DON'T FOOL YOURSELF! If we really have faith in Jesus our actions will prove it. If Jesus is our Lord then we will obey him. Even a child will obey a parent, by getting good grades in school, for the reward of a new bicycle. The child cannot earn money for the bicycle, but instead must act upon their faith to receive the free gift. We must do the same to receive eternal life. "FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD” (James 2:20).

A man asked Jesus this very question, "...What good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?", and Jesus replied, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. (Matthew 19:16-19).
Anybody can claim to have faith, but actions speak louder than words. Faith and works go together and you can't have one without the other. "Here is the patience of the saints; here are they that keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus" (Revelation 14:12).

 

[XtraPercept]

"Here is the patience of the saints; here are they that keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus" (Revelation 14:12).

And which of them subsisted in faith of their own will and volition?

 

[Davy]

Reader.

You are not saved by FAITH.

You are saved by GOD, through Christ's Sacrifice, becasue you gave God your FAITH in Christ = one time.

Its God's "GRACE......through Faith".

So, you dont keep trying to hold onto your faith so that God will continue to keep saving you.
NO.
You are SAVED, one time.......the very moment that God sees Faith in Christ in your Heart.
He REACTS.
God gives you the eternal "Gift of Salvation"", that is forgiveness of all your sin, and Eternal life.

How do you know you are saved?

A.) BORN AGAIN........and that is once.

B,) You have Jesus in you, and you are "in Christ"...as "one with God".

Its completed. Colossians 2:10

So........What now?

Your Disciplship begins.
The "present your body as a living Sacrifice to God" .......and not to try to stay saved, but because you ARE SAVED.

You learn how to exist in the Eternal SALVATION that you have been given by God, that is your Eternal life.
To learn this, is to "work out your Salvation".....and once you do, then you are this......Paul Explains... "As many as be perfect".
And this is not behavior or good deeds.....this is learning the knowledge of God, so that what He understands that you have become, as a "new Creation in Christ" is now YOUR MIND.......YOUR FAITH.... Your "Helment of Salvation".

And the above is yet another EXAGGERATION of the Bible Scriptures.

We ARE... SAVED BY FAITH on The Father through The Blood of His Son Jesus Christ.

God's Grace is DEPENDENT upon one's FAITH on The Blood of Jesus Christ shed upon His cross!

FAITH is NOT the free gift. God's GRACE after having professed FAITH on Jesus Christ is what brings God's free gift of GRACE.

Furthermore, Apostle Paul taught in his Epistles that a believer CAN... loose God's free gift of GRACE IF they fall away from Christ and instead live by their flesh and the darkness of this world.

Even in Matthew 7:21-23 Lord Jesus showed He will turn away Christians that will claim to have done many works in His Name, but because they also worked 'iniquity', He will close the door upon them. Man's false OSAS doctrines allow the Christian to do future sins without repenting of them and asking Jesus forgiveness of them, and making a change in their walk. The way OSAS does that is by falsely claiming that all sins a believer may commit was already forgiven at Christ's cross and one's original belief on Jesus.