Faith does not save you.

[Behold]

We ARE... SAVED BY FAITH on

So you are another one who does not understand Salvation.

Listen,..... Faith is not the Savior.

Jesus is the Savior.........and God saves you, through your faith..... by applying the Eternal Salvation that Jesus accomplished on The Cross.

Listen..

Its "GRACE.... through faith"..........not "Grace is faith".

 

[bro.tan]

And which of them subsisted in faith of their own will and volition?

Everyone make there own choices in life to serve God or not, but either way you are going to get paid, let's see an example in Matthew 25: 14 For the kingdom of heaven is as a man travelling into a far country, who called his own servants, and delivered unto them his goods. 15 And unto one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one; to every man according to his several ability; and straightway took his journey. 16 Then he that had received the five talents went and traded with the same, and made them other five talents. 17 And likewise he that had received two, he also gained other two. 18 But he that had received one went and digged in the earth, and hid his lord's money. 19 After a long time the lord of those servants cometh, and reckoneth with them.

Read the full parable, but let's skip down to the point......24 Then he which had received the one talent came and said, Lord, I knew thee that thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou hast not strawed: 25 and I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, there thou hast that is thine. 26 His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed: 27 thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury. 28 Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents. 29 For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath. 30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

So we have a choice, so choose wisely.

 

[Davy]

So you are another one who does not understand Salvation.

My understanding in God's Word that HE... has given me through His Son Jesus Christ IS SO FAR PAST YOUR LITTLE SIMPLE MIND, that you would likely pass out if His Truth were revealed to you within His Word WITHOUT your beloved scripture lawyers who LIE to you.

You don't have a CLUE of what Christ's Salvation actually is, and HOW to stay in the WALK with Lord Jesus Christ. You instead are heeding men who have started THEIR OWN RELIGION outside of what God's Word teaches.

 

[Behold]

My understanding in God's Word that HE... has given me through His Son Jesus Christ IS SO FAR PAST YOUR LITTLE SIMPLE MIND

You are certainly a fan of your religious opinions @Davy .
Pride can be like that...
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Paul's doctrine teaches that our "Old man of sin is crucified with Christ"

So, if you are not doing what Paul told you to do about that, ("Reckon him DEAD").. then you will be fighing your carnal nature, and the fruit of this situation is your failed discipleship, that is "sin, confess, repeat"... @Davy .

Romans 7, is not Christianity.......Romans 7, is the beginning of Paul's teaching where He is showing you that if you try to live a holy life by striving against sin, then the Law becomes this in your case.. = "The power of sin, is the Law".
"The Law" is representing self effort to try to DO Christianity, and this cant be done, as Christianity is Spiritual, and is empowered spiritually, by God's GRACE = only.

So, when a carnally minded person is trying to work righteousness by self effort, then your flesh become empowered by "the Law" and you become sin conscious, and you can't escape it.
People who are caught in this carnal trap, want to chronically talk about sin, and confessing it, and Romans 7., and "losing salvation".

Paul teaches, that when we rest in God's Grace, Hebrews 13:9..("Establish your heart with Grace") and understand that we are always "made righteous" always made sinless by the Blood of Jesus.... then the Law can't empower your flesh into carnality.
Christians with wrong faith, who are not understanding God Grace, will be found in their carnal mind that keeps you under its power, and this is why you can't become this..

Paul teaches : "Christ ALWAYS Gives us the VICTORY".. over the flesh, the world , and the devil.

 

[Davy]

You are certainly a fan of your religious opinions @Davy .
Pride can be like that...
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With such an IDIOTIC STATEMENT as that, it shows you don't have anything actually meaningful to say, but just pump hot air.

 

[Behold]

With such an IDIOTIC STATEMENT as that, it shows you don't have anything actually meaningful to say, but just pump hot air.

Let me be more specific for you. @Davy

Paul wrote 13 epistles.......and all of the epistles are "Christianity".
Paul wrote all the doctrine for the Church.

However, Romans 7, is the beginning of a deeper understanding , (the begininng of a powerful teaching by Paul), whereby he explains what it means to be caught up in self effort (the carnal mind of the flesh) to try to perform for God to be accepted...and how this is not Salvation as designed by God's GRACE.

Romans 7 begins this teaching by showing you the CARNAL MINDED effect of trying to perform self effort to try to be accepted by God.
And Paul explains that when you are doing that then ..... "what you would do, you can't, and what you hate, you will do".
Paul continues His teaching on this , in other Epistles, specifically Philippians 3.
And He concludes by teaching that it is "Christ in Him, that is His only power", that "when i am weak then Christ is STRONG IN ME"... and this is where Paul confirmes.... in the end of Paul's teaching.. that perfected discipeship is only gained and maintained as "Christ always gives me the Victory."""

So, the Christian must stop trying to do that for themselves, and instead learn to rest in God's Grace, understanding that Righteousness is a Gift from God..., and they are always "made righteous"...
The Chrisitan has to come to understand that perfected faith and perfected discipleship is "i can do all things Through Christ, which strengthens me'"........vs, im trying to be good......im trying to live holy... Im trying to keep commandments,.. im trying to perform for God, ..im trying by self effort to do it ALL BY MYSELF.

 

[Davy]

Let me be more specific for you. ....

More CANNON FODDER.

Do you know what cannon fodder is? It's just anything that can be found to stuff a cannon load with, scrap metal, nails, anything that can tear and kill will do.

That's the junk you are pushing, repeatedly, like Hitler would do, as he believe if you kept saying the same LIE over and over and over, eventually the people would believe it. Well, that strategy does not work on me.

 

[Davy]

Here is a Bible Scripture by Apostle Paul that every Christian should remember any time when someone tries to bring up man's false Once Saved, Always Saved (OSAS) doctrine...


Rom 3:24-26
24 Being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in His blood, to declare His righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

26 To declare, I say, at this time His righteousness: that He might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
KJV


Did Apostle Paul say, 'all your sins you may ever commit' in the above like OSAS wrongly teaches?? NO!

Paul referred above ONLY to our PAST SINS being forgiven up to that point of our FAITH on The Blood of Jesus Christ.

 

[bro.tan]

I don't think @bro.tan understands "Imputed Righteousness". That Christ takes our sins and gives us His righteousness. That is our legal standing before God. All sins are forgiven...past, present and future by Christ's sacrifice for us.

Now as Christians, we have been given the indwelling Holy Spirit. We seek to walk with the Lord in our daily lives. That is called walking in the Spirit, not walking after the flesh. However since we are still in the body, we might sometimes fail. But thank God, He doesn't disown us if we do.

Bro.tan seems to teach legalism where we must hold onto salvation rather than resting in the blessed assurance of faith.

Now Paul said in (Rom. 3:23-25) (v.23) For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. (v.24) Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

(v.25) Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God.

So the bible tells you to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." (Acts 2 :36-38). And by doing so you come up under his precious blood and then you are saved from your sins that are past, not present or future sins but for sins that are past. We were all locked under death by Adam’s sin, even the second death, which is the lake of fire. But when Jesus became (he was God in the beginning) man and died for the sins of the world, he gave us access back to the tree of life (himself) which Adam had caused us to lose. That’s what grace is, our free gift our access back to the tree of life but that’s another lesson for another time.

So by coming under the blood of Jesus being baptize, you are saved from your past sins.
And if you are saved now, it is on a day to day basis. Because for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God (Romans 23:3), and if you continue to live you will sin again.

 

[Behold]

So the bible tells you to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." (Acts 2 :36-38).

"repent and be water baptized for remission of sin"........Is not Paul's Gospel.

Its John the Baptist's Gospel, given to Jews before Christ showed up......and Peter used it in Acts 2, because the Church was just beginning and that is all he knew at that time.

Paul never preaches, "repent and be water baptized" and in fact teaches that "Christ sent me NOT to water Baptize".

Water Baptism, in Jesus's name or any other name, does not save you, and can't wash away your sin.

HELL is filled and continues to fill with water baptized religious people who were never born again.

The only way to become forgiven is to give God your FAITH in CHRIST and God will accept you, based on "Justificaton by Faith" and God will use the Blood of Jesus to forgive your sin, and then God will give you the new birth......which is to be born again "IN CHRIST".

Once you are born again, then go and get water baptized.

 

[bro.tan]

"repent and be water baptized for remission of sin"........Is not Paul's Gospel.

Its John the Baptist's Gospel, given to Jews before Christ showed up......and Peter used it in Acts 2, because the Church was just beginning and that is all he knew at that time.

Paul never preaches, "repent and be water baptized" and in fact teaches that "Christ sent me NOT to water Baptize".

Water Baptism, in Jesus's name or any other name, does not save you, and can't wash away your sin.

"And it came to pass, that, while Apollo was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples, he said unto them, Have ye received the Holy ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, "We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.” And he said unto them, "unto what then were ye baptized?" And they said unto John's baptism.


Then Paul said, “John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him who should come after him, that is, Jesus Christ.” When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. When Paul had laid hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied. And all the men were about twelve." (Acts 19:1-7).

HELL is filled and continues to fill with water baptized religious people who were never born again.

The only way to become forgiven is to give God your FAITH in CHRIST and God will accept you, based on "Justificaton by Faith" and God will use the Blood of Jesus to forgive your sin, and then God will give you the new birth......which is to be born again "IN CHRIST".

Once you are born again, then go and get water baptized.

Born again is a change in the body not in the mind. Now Paul says in Romans 12: 1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. 2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.... Now, Let’s jump right in a conversation that Jesus was having with a man name Nicodemus. John 3:1 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews: 2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him. 3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Notice verse 3, except a man is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. We have just learned something here. If you are not born again you can not see the kingdom of God. As we go further you will understand this. Remember there is a time for everything.

Nicodemus asked a very good question. Take a look at the next set of verses.

John 3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? 5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

In verse 5, born of the water in this case is the Word of God. Notice the Lord mentions the kingdom of God again, but He adds a little more information. He says "Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. When he mentions spirit He means exactly that. Watch how the Lord gives something physical to describe exactly what He means.

John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Notice: He made a difference between flesh and spirit. Ask yourself that question, was you born flesh or spirit? Angels where born spirit being, man and beast are born flesh and blood. There will be no flesh in the Father Kingdom, only spirit beings, so everyone must be born again. Only Jesus in his thousand year reign will have both, which includes the first resurrection.

John 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

Notice: He compared the wind to a spirit. Can you see the wind? No! We have seen things being blown around by the wind, but we have never seen the wind. If you are born of the spirit you are like the wind. This is when you are truly born again, when you are born of the spirit.

Notice: what Jesus does in these next few verses.

Remember, this is after His resurrection.

John 20:26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you. 27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. 28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

Note two very important things within these verses. 1. Jesus appeared in the midst of them and the doors were shut. 2. Thomas called Him God. When Jesus came out of the grave he was born into the God family, Jesus was Born Again.

 

[Behold]

When Paul had laid hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them

Notice that the Holy Ghost came when Paul laid His Hands on them.........not when they were water baptized.

Born again is a change in the body not in the mind.

The "body is dead because of sin" .. so the body does not change when the person is born again.


So What changes?

= Their SPIRIT is born again by God's Holy Spirit.

John 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

We are born again "by my Spirit sayeth the Lord"......not by water.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Blind faith ? That's what I see in many people !

Bible talks about faith ? Oh you of little faith !
So ones faith can grow !

When I was not born again, I had faith in Jesus and that grew in time more so !
but fact was I understood about Jesus was the Christ for sure ? but I did not know him ! untill I was born again !
That was when the penny droped ! I was not Religious anymore, I was Saved ! because I was one with Christ Jesus and he in me !
Saved because I am his !
I am not of this world !
I do not serve this world, but that of the Kingdom of God !

That's why people do not like me. Remember that's why they Hated Jesus ! because he was not of this world.

Carnal Man loves the Darkness for he fears the Light, that he may be exposed !

I once only had faith but not 100% conviction because I was only being religious.
Many people are only religious, that's Said ! they talk of their religion but Christ Jesus is far from them.
You neeed to abide in Christ Jesus, Period ! First and foremost in your Life !

You will Sin ! Not Grave Sin but Sin nontheless, but you will have the power to overcome such temptations, for you understand the gravity of such is Death to the Soul !
So one has to come to the Wellspring ! for ones strenght is much like that of your immunity system. She is stronger at times than at other times.
So you keep to the Path !

Now the issue is that we are human and not solid and when we make a mistake, we can learn a lot from such things and grow from such things, so own your mistakes to all, as a lesson to all. do not hide such, for you are not a Pilla or to be taken as an Idol, God forbid.

I have read the lives of the Saints, not one was a goody two shoes ever ! and they did not play the Saint !

People who play the Saint immage, The Oh look at me ! are clearly Devils ! any Idiot can play that game !

 

[nedsk]

Reader.

You are not saved by FAITH.

You are saved by GOD, through Christ's Sacrifice, becasue you gave God your FAITH in Christ = one time.

Its God's "GRACE......through Faith".

So, you dont keep trying to hold onto your faith so that God will continue to keep saving you.
NO.
You are SAVED, one time.......the very moment that God sees Faith in Christ in your Heart.
He REACTS.
God gives you the eternal "Gift of Salvation"", that is forgiveness of all your sin, and Eternal life.

How do you know you are saved?

A.) BORN AGAIN........and that is once.

B,) You have Jesus in you, and you are "in Christ"...as "one with God".

Its completed. Colossians 2:10

So........What now?

Your Disciplship begins.
The "present your body as a living Sacrifice to God" .......and not to try to stay saved, but because you ARE SAVED.

You learn how to exist in the Eternal SALVATION that you have been given by God, that is your Eternal life.
To learn this, is to "work out your Salvation".....and once you do, then you are this......Paul Explains... "As many as be perfect".
And this is not behavior or good deeds.....this is learning the knowledge of God, so that what He understands that you have become, as a "new Creation in Christ" is now YOUR MIND.......YOUR FAITH.... Your "Helment of Salvation".

So if it's true we are saved by God through Christ's sacrifice why do we have to give God our faith? We are either saved by his sacrifice or we're not. If we have to give our faith to God then then Christ's sacrifice isnt sufficient to save us. A hammer drives a nail into the wood. The nail doesn't need to do anything. The hammer is sufficient to drive in the nail.

 

[Behold]

So if it's true we are saved by God through Christ's sacrifice why do we have to give God our faith?

Salvation is finished, by Jesus on The Cross.

God takes this Eternal Salvaiton and applies it to a Believer.

We give God our faith in Christ, and God gives us His Salvation., as "The GIFT of Salvation".

Romans 4:3.. "Abraham BELIEVED God, and this was counted to Him for Righteousness"

Romans 4:5 .. : "But to Him (The Believer) that worketh NOT...but BELIEVETH on GOD who justifies the UNGODLY...(the sinner)..their FAITH is counted for righteousness"

Romans 5:1 "Therefore.. being... justified by FAITH... we have peace with God THROUGH our Lord Jesus Christ"

= Through His Sacrifice on the Cross.

 

[MonoBiblical]

None are saved or safe. Everything dies.

 

[Behold]

None are saved or safe. Everything dies.

If you're not saved, then you're not a Chrisitan.
Perhaps you should change your personal info here on the Fourm.

 

[JLB]

Reader.

You are not saved by FAITH.

You are saved by GOD, through Christ's Sacrifice, becasue you gave God your FAITH in Christ = one time.

Its God's "GRACE......through Faith".

So, you dont keep trying to hold onto your faith so that God will continue to keep saving you.
NO.
You are SAVED, one time.......the very moment that God sees Faith in Christ in your Heart.
He REACTS.
God gives you the eternal "Gift of Salvation"", that is forgiveness of all your sin, and Eternal life.

How do you know you are saved?

A.) BORN AGAIN........and that is once.

B,) You have Jesus in you, and you are "in Christ"...as "one with God".

Its completed. Colossians 2:10

So........What now?

Your Disciplship begins.
The "present your body as a living Sacrifice to God" .......and not to try to stay saved, but because you ARE SAVED.

You learn how to exist in the Eternal SALVATION that you have been given by God, that is your Eternal life.
To learn this, is to "work out your Salvation".....and once you do, then you are this......Paul Explains... "As many as be perfect".
And this is not behavior or good deeds.....this is learning the knowledge of God, so that what He understands that you have become, as a "new Creation in Christ" is now YOUR MIND.......YOUR FAITH.... Your "Helment of Salvation".

Here is how the bible teaches us we are saved.


that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. Romans 10:9

 

[Rockerduck]

I'll make it clear that there is no Faith except in Jesus Christ

Ephesians 2:8-9 - For by (the) Grace (of God) you have been saved through faith (in Jesus Christ), and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.

What is the gift of God? It is faith in Jesus Christ.

 

[JLB]

I'll make it clear that there is no Faith except in Jesus Christ

Ephesians 2:8-9 - For by (the) Grace (of God) you have been saved through faith (in Jesus Christ), and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.

What is the gift of God? It is faith in Jesus Christ.

Do you believe we must confess Jesus as Lord to be saved?