False Doctrine of the "Secret Rapture".

[covenantee]

They have nothing to do with each other.

That's right. Wrath and tribulation have nothing to do with each other Scripturally for the children of God.

 

[Timtofly]

They all will meet those alive on the earth at the opening of the 5th Seal, and the entire church body will be glorified, as symbolized by the putting on of white robes.

Revelation ch6 and the 5th Seal does not say this = please read again AND reject the temptation to add to God's words

"And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season."

It is you who adds to God's Word.

How many times is the church glorified? Where else in the whole book of Revelation, do they put on white robes?

 

[The Light]

That's right. Wrath and tribulation have nothing to do with each other Scripturally for the children of God.

So how come you understand that and yet many have the Church going through the wrath of God?

 

[The Light]

YEP - i am heading to Vermont to do some fishing.

Meanwhile, Revelation continues to reveal the revealings of His Second Coming on multiple levels not understood by most.

Pre-trbbers cannot get past Matthew ch24, let alone try and understand Revelation!!!

I get past it easily. The coming of Jesus in Matthew 24 occurs at the 6th seal immediately after the tribulation and BEFORE the 7th seal of wrath.

There are two raptures, one pretrib and one post trib which is pre wrath. Then Jesus returns at the end of wrath for Armageddon and to set up His kingdom. Just like the Word says.

 

[covenantee]

So how come you understand that and yet many have the Church going through the wrath of God?

Provide a link to a "many" who has the Church going through the wrath of God, and includes 1 Thessalonians 5:9 and Revelation 7:14 in the explanation.

 

[ewq1938]

And yet they are trumpets of wrath and wrath is over when the 7th trumpet sounds

Neither is scriptural. You have invented both of those. The bible does not label the trumps as wrath nor is God's wrath ending at the 7th trump because the bible says it begins at the 7th trump. You are just another example of belief being more important than what is actually written.

 

[The Light]

Neither is scriptural. You have invented both of those. The bible does not label the trumps as wrath nor is God's wrath ending at the 7th trump because the bible says it begins at the 7th trump. You are just another example of belief being more important than what is actually written.

Oh my mistake. Are those trumpets of joy or what?

 

[The Light]

Provide a link to a "many" who has the Church going through the wrath of God, and includes 1 Thessalonians 5:9 and Revelation 7:14 in the explanation.

And today your assignment is to list the pretrib rapture believers, post trib believers as end of wrath believers. Please provide shoe sizes.

 

[covenantee]

And today your assignment is to list the pretrib rapture believers, post trib believers as end of wrath believers. Please provide shoe sizes.

After your assignment providing a link to a "many" who has the Church going through the wrath of God, and includes 1 Thessalonians 5:9 and Revelation 7:14 in the explanation.

 

[ewq1938]

Oh my mistake. Are those trumpets of joy or what?

For some they are. The trumps aren't labeled as you are claiming. They signify certain events to happen. The last 3 are woe trumps because they contain things to be afraid of and that's because one is right prior to the trib, one is the trib and one is the second coming which is when the bible says the wrath of God begins. You say the wrath ends there in direct and clear contradiction to God's word. Either change and adhere to what the bible says about when God's wrath begins or stay in error.

 

[David in NJ]

I get past it easily. The coming of Jesus in Matthew 24 occurs at the 6th seal immediately after the tribulation and BEFORE the 7th seal of wrath.

There are two raptures, one pretrib and one post trib which is pre wrath. Then Jesus returns at the end of wrath for Armageddon and to set up His kingdom. Just like the Word says.

Guess of the Day = "Then Jesus returns at the end of wrath for Armageddon and to set up His kingdom. Just like the Word s"

Just as the Word says???

But you have no scripture saying that..............WOW

 

[The Light]

For some they are. The trumps aren't labeled as you are claiming. They signify certain events to happen. The last 3 are woe trumps because they contain things to be afraid of and that's because one is right prior to the trib, one is the trib and one is the second coming which is when the bible says the wrath of God begins. You say the wrath ends there in direct and clear contradiction to God's word. Either change and adhere to what the bible says about when God's wrath begins or stay in error.

Ok. So when the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord............means nothing to you.

The time of judgement means nothing to you.

You are very confused. How's your golf game?

 

[The Light]

Guess of the Day = "Then Jesus returns at the end of wrath for Armageddon and to set up His kingdom. Just like the Word s"

Just as the Word says???

But you have no scripture saying that..............WOW

Revelation 11
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

 

[ewq1938]

Ok. So when the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord............means nothing to you.

The time of judgement means nothing to you.

You are very confused. How's your golf game?

You are just avoiding the fact that you say the wrath of God ends at the 7th trump when God says it begins then.

 

[The Light]

You are just avoiding the fact that you say the wrath of God ends at the 7th trump when God says it begins then.

Thy wrath is come and is finished.

Revelation 10
7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

 

[David in NJ]

Revelation 11
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Where is the scripture that says JESUS desends, resurrects Saints, goes back to Heaven and then 7 years later comes back for the left-overs.

 

[David in NJ]

Thy wrath is come and is finished.

Revelation 10
7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

the Mystery of God is not the wrath of God

God clearly explains to us His wrath throughout scripture = there is no hiding it!

 

[ewq1938]

Thy wrath is come and is finished.

Revelation 10
7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

It says the mystery of God is finished. It does not say the wrath of God is finished. Rev 11 says the wrath of God begins at the 7th trump. Nothing you say or quote will change that.

 

[PinSeeker]

Rev 11 says the wrath of God begins at the 7th trump.

"In those days," actually, from Revelation 10:7... So, very shortly after that last trump, upon the final Judgment which will follow the archangel's cry of command, the trumpet of God, Jesus's return, and the second resurrection ~ which is general to all and physical/bodily ~ all of which Paul speaks of in 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17...

"For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord."​

God's wrath will fall on those judged negatively, those resurrected to judgment (John 5:29), those on Jesus's left in the Judgment (Matthew 25:41-46) upon their departure. Certainly a frightening (to put it mildly) thing.

Grace and peace to all.

 

[Hobie]

The apostasy is already here.

Very true, but many dont want to see it.