I was not talking of Christ love i was speaking of Christ Himself, why do so many claim to love Him yet shun Him. Was it not you not many post ago, spoke of hearing vices in your head , presume us crazy. Yet "scripture" drlares
Joh_6:45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.
It seems to me that you are the one basing it all on emotions that deceives men. So far you have denied teh spirit multiple times, remember Peter and the Cock crowing.
It seems to me, you cannot accept my faith in the Lord and my knowledge and communion with Him.
As much as I may try and understand what you are saying, my experience with people like yourself, is the experiences in my heart that I share does not echo in you, so we are talking a different language, ie words and their meaning in our lives.
The emotional conclusion you have is I do not know the Lord. I do laugh when someone says this to me with such assurance. And then I listen to what they say. Repent and believe Jesus and you are saved.
It is like a child coming up to one with their toy car and saying, my car is what you need, not your car you know and use to drive about in.
Now their toy car is very nice and I am sure they are very happy with it, but it is actually a meaningless comparison, and purely based on the delusion that fills their life.
The simplistic mindset that is projected is people trying to obey a set of rules to prove they are worthy before God. This is certainly a problem for those who have never encountered Jesus and what the cross means on a personal one to one basis. Jesus wants us to walk His way because this is life, eternal life, while seeing ourselves as what we are, redeemed, cleansed and purified sinners, not as sinners trying to balance the books with good deeds.
Now Jesus's promises are fantastic and for those emotionally embedded in church, a hope in the troubles of life. But if they lose their faith, get thrown out, this embedded framework is what they return to as if this is christian faith, but without new birth and spiritual reality. The evil people are then those who hold to the walk, and talk of a changed heart. The realities these shell believers affirm as God, are just something else, but who knows what. But what shows a shell believer off, is their lack of knowledge of love and its flow, of openness and repentance, of sin that destroys and hurts, of a desire to care and serve others. These things are the fruit of the Holy Spirit that all believers should know and feel.
It is ironic that such shell believers will talk of being sealed in the Holy Spirit, which in truth is just words, because spiritual reality is lacking. So they will say a believer is eternal from the point of faith, except that can never actually be defined, or those who have actually participated, because if they fall away, they were never of the faith. A further defence is oh yes, they were of the faith, and in rebellion and hatred they will become loving worshipping followers at the last trumpet. And they want their force of argument and conviction to win the day. God help them, because it is beyond discussion.
And worse still people of faith are called lost, going to the pit, yet they have a far greater understanding of the word of God than the condemners, and by their own standards are actually saved and eternal.
The idea I am eternal and saved yet do not have this fellowship is the shell believers dilemma, so the extreme will say I am demon possessed or at least demon influenced, lol. It really does get that desperate. I mean to them if I am speaking the truth, they will have to get right with God, and who really wants to do that, I mean, change, be born again, start afresh, let Jesus remake them.
God bless you
