Flat Earth Theory
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Does the Bible teach why during June when the Artic is in 24 hr sunlight the ice and snow remains at sea level yet say the equator regions at sea level never has ice & snow ?
David in NJ
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Did you notice that JESUS precisely connected this Truth of Matt 24:1-4 to His Second Coming?
David in NJ
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Sad for you that you have no grasp of easily observable science available to all and that you call your Christian Brother Astronauts liars, at least now I know who to avoid
Does the Bible teach why during June when the Artic is in 24 hr sunlight the ice and snow remains at sea level yet say the equator regions at sea level never has ice & snow ?
If the earth is flat then can you using your God given brain, intelligence and the Bible we all believe in answer why ?
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Meanwhile, we do have the promise of seasons. Genesis 8:22 establishes that God sustains the climate cycle, stating that 'cold and heat, summer and winter, day and night shall not cease.'
Also, there are divine boundaries. Psalm 74:17 credits God with establishing the climate zones, stating, 'You have fixed all the boundaries of the earth; you have made summer and winter.'
And the book of Job contains several poetic descriptions of weather patterns. Job 37:9-10 notes that 'cold comes from the north' and that ice is formed by the breath of God.
Even with 24 hours of summer sun, the Arctic receives solar rays at a very low angle, spreading the heat thinly. Additionally, the white ice and snow reflect up to 85% of that sunlight back into space (the albedo effect), keeping the region frozen. Meanwhile, the equator receives direct, concentrated sunlight year-round, preventing ice from forming at sea level.
It's no mystery or fault.
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Thankfully, your game has ended here. That's what happens when you put your trust in men and not in God. Light makes manifest the darkness.
Meanwhile, we do have the promise of seasons. Genesis 8:22 establishes that God sustains the climate cycle, stating that 'cold and heat, summer and winter, day and night shall not cease.'
Also, there are divine boundaries. Psalm 74:17 credits God with establishing the climate zones, stating, 'You have fixed all the boundaries of the earth; you have made summer and winter.'
And the book of Job contains several poetic descriptions of weather patterns. Job 37:9-10 notes that 'cold comes from the north' and that ice is formed by the breath of God.
Even with 24 hours of summer sun, the Arctic receives solar rays at a very low angle, spreading the heat thinly. Additionally, the white ice and snow reflect up to 85% of that sunlight back into space (the albedo effect), keeping the region frozen. Meanwhile, the equator receives direct, concentrated sunlight year-round, preventing ice from forming at sea level.
It's no mystery or fault.
We were wondering the same of you.
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David in NJ
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REALLY?
Everyone who believes that oceans can stick to a ball spinning at 1,000 mph are the "sad" ones.
David in NJ
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David in NJ
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Here is God's observable science.
Fail to recognize this observable science and you just proved your own deception.
The rainbow is observable science, indeed. I just saw the thumbnail ...I need to watch the video! lol
++++Thankfully, your game has ended here.
Your claim that your Christian Brothers are liars has confirmed you are the type of believer who is best ignored.
David in NJ
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The HOLY SPIRIT knows what a ball/sphere is
GOD never lies = Isaiah 22:18
He will roll you up tightly like a ball/sphere and throw you into a large country. There you will die and there the chariots you were so proud of will become a disgrace to your master’s house.
YOUR sphere earth is a LIE and ISAIAH 40:22 = a circle is not ball/sphere but a flat shape
God sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in.
“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’
And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
David Lamb
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The psalmist wrote:
NKJV Psa 102:6 I am like a pelican of the wilderness; I am like an owl of the desert.
Did he mean that a pelican is the wilderness, or an owl is the desert? Of course not. So why do you take the words "circle of the earth" to mean "the earth is a circle"?
David in NJ
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Good Morning my brother in CHRIST,
God, speaking thru the prophet Isaiah, is a Testimony of TRUTH = God knowing the deception of a wet ball earth spinning @1,000mph
Isaiah 22:18 = He will roll you up tightly like a ball/sphere and throw you into a large country.
Because the HOLY SPIRIT never lies and full well knows the difference between a sphere/ball and a one dimensional circle.
Thus the argument that Isaiah 40:22 is speaking of a sphere is FALSE and is Deception.
Genesis TRUTH 24/7
If a person chooses to reject God's Truth on any subject that HE has Spoken, it leaves that person open for deception.
Matthew 24:1-4
Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?”
And Jesus answered and said to them: “Take heed that no one deceives you."
@David Lamb = What is the ONLY Way we can escape deception???
David Lamb
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I would say by reading what Scripture actually says. And Isaiah 40:22 does not say that the earth is a circle. It includes the phrase, "the circle of the earth". So the earth has a circle. I also understand (though I don't know Hebrew, so I rely on concordances) that the word translated "circle" in that verse can also mean "circuit", and indeed is translated "circuit" in Job:
Job 22:14 Thick clouds are a covering to him, that he seeth not; and he walketh in the circuit of heaven.
David in NJ
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GREAT
Job 22:14 = It is GOD who walks the circuit of Heaven = not the earth!!!
If you change Job 22:14 to the 'circuit of the earth" = you sin and create deception!
God looks down upon a circle = not a sphere!!!
If you change God's words of Isaiah 40:22 to 'sphere', you sin and speak not the Truth.
KEEP this Truth in your heart & mind = 1 John 5:19
We know that we are children of God, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one.
Pray that you remain in the former and not the latter = because there are only two options given by God.
SHALOM in the Truth = Thy Word is Truth
Again, as David in NJ has demonstrated, this is about rightly dividing the word of truth.
Circle is a two dimensional object, like a coin. A sphere is a three dimensional object, like a ball. Isaiah uses both
words, in two separate places:
He will surely violently turn and toss thee like a ball into a large country: there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the
shame of thy lord's house. - Isa. 22:18
It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in. - Isa. 40:22
The earth is circular in shape, like a compass:
When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth. - Pro. 8:27
It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain. - Isa. 40:22
[The earth] is changed as clay to the seal; and they stand as a garment. - Job 38:14
He hath compassed the waters with bounds, until the day and night come to an end. - Job 26:10
They came round about me like daily water; they compassed me about together. - Psa. 88:17
The carpenter stretcheth out his rule; he marketh it out with a line; he fitteth it with planes, and he marketh it out with the compass, and maketh it after the figure of a man, according to the beauty of a man; that it may remain in the house. - Isa. 44:13
There is a downward “bottomless pit.” This is not possible on a sphere:
And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit. - Rev 9:1
And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit. - Rev. 9:2
And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon. - Rev. 9:11
And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. - Rev. 11:7
The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is. - Rev. 17:8
And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. - Rev. 20:1
And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season. - Rev. 20:3
Circle is a two dimensional object, like a coin. A sphere is a three dimensional object, like a ball. Isaiah uses both
words, in two separate places:
He will surely violently turn and toss thee like a ball into a large country: there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the
shame of thy lord's house. - Isa. 22:18
It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in. - Isa. 40:22
The earth is circular in shape, like a compass:
When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth. - Pro. 8:27
It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain. - Isa. 40:22
[The earth] is changed as clay to the seal; and they stand as a garment. - Job 38:14
He hath compassed the waters with bounds, until the day and night come to an end. - Job 26:10
They came round about me like daily water; they compassed me about together. - Psa. 88:17
The carpenter stretcheth out his rule; he marketh it out with a line; he fitteth it with planes, and he marketh it out with the compass, and maketh it after the figure of a man, according to the beauty of a man; that it may remain in the house. - Isa. 44:13
There is a downward “bottomless pit.” This is not possible on a sphere:
And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit. - Rev 9:1
And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit. - Rev. 9:2
And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon. - Rev. 9:11
And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. - Rev. 11:7
The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is. - Rev. 17:8
And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. - Rev. 20:1
And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season. - Rev. 20:3
David in NJ
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12“Is not God in the height of heaven?
And see the highest stars, how lofty they are!
13And you say, ‘What does God know?
Can He judge through the deep darkness?
14Thick clouds cover Him, so that He cannot see,
And He walks above the circle/vault of heaven.’
English Standard Version
Thick clouds veil him, so that he does not see, and he walks on the vault of heaven.’
Berean Standard Bible
Thick clouds veil Him so He does not see us as He traverses the vault of heaven.’
Berean Literal Bible
Clouds are a covering for Him, so that He does not see, and the vault of the heavens He walks about.’
@David Lamb this passage is not about the earth but the heavens ABOVE the earth.
SEE here - Proverbs 8:27 = same word circle used as in Isaiah 40:22
When He prepared the heavens, I was there,
When He drew a circle on the face of the deep, = "face" Hebrew Strong's 6440
When He established the clouds above,
When He strengthened the fountains of the deep,
the face
פְּנֵ֥י (pə·nê)
Noun - common plural construct
Strong's Hebrew 6440: 1) face 1a) face, faces 1b) presence, person 1c) face (of seraphim or cherubim) 1d) face (of animals) 1e) face, surface (of ground)
God drew a circle on the surface of earth
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