For those who don't believe in prophets today....explain this

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@Dave L,

I don't think that you have to walk on eggshells at this website like at other ones. You can say in the form of a statement what you seem to feel has to be put in the form of a question, because of the fact that at other websites there are severe punishments for saying things in any way that seem to be straightforward or as a rebuke.

I believe that there is liberty here (2 Corinthians 3:17).

The reality is the apostasy is in full swing.

Many Christian forums have disappeared. Others are merging together to survive, as has happened here.

Many are shrinking in the number of users as is happening here and on my forum.

On mine, the rules are simple:

Don't personally attack others.

Do not preach. You can share your ideas, but you must answer questions from others in return.

Keep your language clean.

What I have noticed is that over time more and more posters are posting things against what the Bible teaches. More and more don't study, they parrot denominational doctrine. More and more denominations have departed from God.

So we have to make the best of what remains and do our best to abide in what the Bible teaches.
 
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Despite our differences, I would be willing to post at your forum, CoreIssue, but it is like a wasteland over there... no one is there. That kind of indicates there must be a reason.
 

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Despite our differences, I would be willing to post at your forum, CoreIssue, but it is like a wasteland over there... no one is there. That kind of indicates there must be a reason.

The same reason this site has shrunk drastically in active membership and combined with someone else. Remember, it used to be Christianforums.

Same reason rapture ready merged with another forum has but a fraction of the membership in active members of use to.

Same reason some other very active forums are gone.

Same reason the number of true Christians in the world is shrinking daily. Down to 10% or less.

Willie T, it is going to continue to get worse until the rapture.

Think about it, some of the heaviest posters here are Catholic, a millennialist and other false doctrines.

The liberals are taking over the country. Socialists and Muslims are being elected to government. God is an open joke in television. LGBTQ are growing in numbers and bolder than ever.

Russia is an expansionist mode again. China as well.

If you think it's going to get better years going to be sadly disappointed.

Side note, RR, this forum and mine were all on the Vbulletin at one time and now are all Xenforo. The free boards are all much cheaper but much more of a headache to run.
 
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The same reason this site has shrunk drastically in active membership and combined with someone else. Remember, it used to be Christianforums.

Same reason rapture ready merged with another forum has but a fraction of the membership in active members of use to.

Same reason some other very active forums are gone.

Same reason the number of true Christians in the world is shrinking daily. Down to 10% or less.

Willie T, it is going to continue to get worse until the rapture.

Think about it, some of the heaviest posters here are Catholic, a millennialist and other false doctrines.

The liberals are taking over the country. Socialists and Muslims are being elected to government. God is an open joke in television. LGBTQ are growing in numbers and bolder than ever.

Russia is an expansionist mode again. China as well.

If you think it's going to get better years going to be sadly disappointed.
Did the people who are no longer there choose to leave, or were they banned for not towing a party line? I recently (this morning) got yet another ban from ChristianForum because I would not applaud Maxine Waters. The Mod who banned me told me that I could dislike her, but I just could not say so. I would still be posting on CF today despite all the haters of Conservatives. It was not my choice to leave. Did the people leave your forum by their own choice?
 

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If it doesn't contradict the word, it still can lead astray.
I did allow for that in what I posted...the chances of being led astray become less in that the prophecies are to be judged by the other prophets who are present in the meeting...and every prophet is of course to be judged by the standard of the Bible...which means that if something is predicted that doesn't come to pass, that prophet isn't of the Lord...except in the case that the prophet prophesies judgment and the people repent so that God does not bring the judgment that would have come had they not repented.
 
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I did allow for that in what I posted...the chances of being led astray become less in that the prophecies are to be judged by the other prophets who are present in the meeting...and every prophet is of course to be judged by the standard of the Bible...which means that if something is predicted that doesn't come to pass, that prophet isn't of the Lord...except in the case that the prophet prophesies judgment and the people repent so that God does not bring the judgment that would have come had they not repented.
If you saturate yourself with God's word, you can discern spirits better than the gift ever could.
 

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Do not preach. You can share your ideas, but you must answer questions from others in return.

That is not a forum that I would want to be a part of...it is in our divine right to freedom of speech that every minister has the right to preach.

I do not mind others sharing what they think of my preaching in a public manner; but preaching is not to be forbidden in any forum that I would term godly and of the Lord.

If you think it's going to get better years going to be sadly disappointed.

I am praying that it will get better...that revival will come!

Instead of being a naysayer on this, maybe you should join the movement and pray for revival yourself! (on a regular basis).
 
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If you saturate yourself with God's word, you can discern spirits better than the gift ever could.
No doubt, knowing God's word is the safeguard against being deceived by false prophets. But what gift are you referring to?
 
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No doubt, knowing God's word is the safeguard against being deceived by false prophets. But what gift are you referring to?
“For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.” (Hebrews 4:12–13) (KJV 1900)
 

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“For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.” (Hebrews 4:12–13) (KJV 1900)
If the gift that you are referring to is the word of God, then you are being redundant (it appears to be one of your gifts!)
 

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Discerning of spirits?

How do you think that spiritual gift even works? By understanding such verses as 1 John 4:5-6, John 15:18-20, 1 John 3:13-15 and how they apply to people's reaction to you as a born again believer.
 

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How does this relate to our discussion?
Nice try, but this is your dodge, not mine.

It was you who claimed that no prophets and prophecy have occurred after John/Jesus' command/warning/curse in the book ("this book") of Revelation.

But to answer your question: John/Jesus' identification of "this book" as being the limit to the command/warning/curse context, makes void your claim. It means that the many references from Joel to Paul of the gift of prophecy during these times are not void, but stand, just as they were written.

It's their word against yours.
 

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Harmanuetics has been a long accepted rule that everything in the Bible must harmonize with everything else in the Bible.

Otherwise you have what I call shopping cart theology, a favorite of non-literalists. Take what you want from the Bible, make it say what you want and ignore the rest.

So yes, it is stated specifically for the book of Revelation, but I see no reason it does not harmonize with the rest of the Bible.

As well, well before the fifth century, the true Church had already accepted the books of the Bible we use today and rejected all the rest.

So-called church fathers, meaning the founders of the Catholic Church, recognized This reality but still added the books of the Apocrypha and some others.

So calling this argument moot, to me, is a nonstarter.
You are talking about the things of men, but the subject here is the things of God, the words of God. Which are not defined by whom ever comes along and makes a better case than the majority. On the contrary, that is the opposite of how God works. So, a list of fools only hears what they want, and then it becomes their folly.

That is the absolute brilliance of the scriptures...hermeneutics works both for or against the truth, which can only be discerned spiritually.
 

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To those who believe, the Bible is sufficient. To the naysayers no amount of proof is enough for they have stumbled at the saying "for they loved the praises of men more than those of God". They are captives and don't know it.

They are the walking birds calling out to the birds lifted by the Holy Spirit of God, "God ceased to cause birds to fly when the last disciple and apostle birds died".

Their teachers and blind doctors of divinity taught them that Jesus Christ is the same yesterday only. Not today nor tomorrow. They are blind leaders of the blind stumbling in their flesh when they could take flight on the wings of the Holy Spirit.

They have flesh but not breath. They have had an anti-Holy Spirit injection by other men who also have flesh yet no breath.

They say there is no prophecy today yet God prophesies against them. They claim to know Jesus yet in every work of faith deny him. They read and read men's commentaries that agree with their dead lives, dead denominations. They eat and eat yet remain the skinny cows of Genesis 41. They are ever Learning but are never ever able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

God showed Ezekiel these dry bones. They were joined bone unto bone, covered with ligaments, muscles and skin. They were flesh indeed but had no breath. Until God sent his wind the Holy Spirit to bring breath and life into their bodies.

Ezekiel 37:8-10 KJVS
And when I beheld, lo, the sinews and the flesh came up upon them, and the skin covered them above: but there was no breath in them.
[9] Then said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy, son of man, and say to the wind, Thus saith the Lord God ; Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live.
[10] So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army.

God's army is enlivened by the breath of the Holy Spirit which Jesus sent.

The rebel army refuses to take orders and is thus of no value in battle. They spend their fleshly strength fighting against spirit filled army of believers and attempting to discourage them because of the doctrines of the man made denominations that control their every thought. They walk hand in hand never leaving the ditch.

They profess to speak for God yet deny that Jesus ever speaks to them at all. They would be sad if they hadn't had an opportunity to receive the breath of God. But they rejected him to side with the first church of dry bones. They say that he's changed. Twist scripture to say that what God made eternal was not eternal at all.

They are unbelievers in gods eternal word but swear they bring truth. They eagerly adopt the strange fire brought in by evil workers. For them not to receive God's Holy Spirit is bad enough but they fight against those that do believe. They baptise newcomers and unwary in the pool of unbelief. As Jesus said they neither enter in nor allow those that would to enter into the fullness God has.

Not one of them will receive but I will always refuse to deny what God gave in the past , gives today and will give tomorrow to all that come to him.

Blessed are they that will allow God to breathe his spirit into them that they may soar with his spirit and not be earthbound by the walking Pharisees whose laws and doctrines stifle the move of God. Adam sinned and saw that he was naked but these have no breath of God yet they don't know it.

Perhaps God will deal with them. They are blind men attempting to describe what they've never seen.
 
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I think the old prophets "warned", and those today "encourage." My wife and I were singled out twice by strangers to let us know that a business venture in which we had been losing $500+ a week for a couple of months, was going to turn around. We were told we were like a garden hose concerning $, and as long as we kept watering God's garden, we would never lack for anything. We continued, and we have always had more than we need.

(PS) A few years later, we grossed over $8,000 in one day. It didn't always go that well, but it sure kept us remembering those prophesies.

I have the gift of prophecy and knew that I did even while attending a Southern Baptist Church as a new Christian. Most of the words God gives me are meant to encourage, but God has given me words of warning for other Christians. Here's one example. Years after I was saved, I was attending a charismatic church. One day a neighbor and her friend attended with me and my husband. God gave me a word for the friend saying that she was to avoid the very appearance of evil in her relationship with her boyfriend, or her ministry would be hindered. I delivered the warning to the friend and didn't think much about it. That afternoon I got a call from my neighbor asking me what in the world I had said to her friend. I told her the word from God, and she let me know that her friend had been traveling with her boyfriend and sharing a hotel room without engaging in sex. I was surprised to hear that the friend was sharing a hotel room with her boyfriend because she was a dedicated Christian. But God in his great mercy had that word of warning for her, and I was very blessed that He chose me to deliver it.
 
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I honestly do not believe God would send me to a church to listen to a medium....just be careful okay? The testimony I gave is true and it gives people faith to believe that God speaks through His servants....to deny this is from God and say it is from Satan is dangerous....a slippery slope in many ways....nothing this person said was satanic or steered me away from God, or exalted himself or was tickling my ears. It was a promise of a reward if I remained faithful through my trials and tribulations....and it sustained me when those did come to pass.

The same people who say that God no longer speaks to His people believe that the devil does speak to us. Go figure, right? So...the devil speaks to God's children, but God doesn't????? Throughout history, God has spoken to His people. He spoke to Adam and Eve in the Garden. He spoke to Abraham, Moses, Jacob, David, Elizabeth, Paul, John.... He has spoken to His people from Genesis through Revelation.... And He never stopped speaking to His people!
 
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So then, all of scripture doesn't apply to us today?

How do we determine which scripture applies and which scripture doesn't apply (today)?

I can take any scripture and say that Paul was talking only to his present audience; and therefore it doesn't apply to me.

I can pick and choose which scriptures apply to me and which ones don't...i.e. smorgasborg religion.

I've heard ultra-dispensationalists say that Jesus was only speaking to the Jews, so nothing He said applies to any Gentiles. Wow! What a lie, and a big one! I'll keep reading and believing the red letters in my Bible!
 
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I will not mention the names of any of them that have been slandered as being the ringleaders of the group; but there are others who have similar doctrine in their teaching that are highly regarded in the church. However if I mention the names of these, their names will also be slandered, so I refrain from mentioning them because specific doctrines taught by them are needed in the body of Christ; and certain people who might be identified as "faith teachers" also do not teach the false doctrines associated with the group; but merely teach those doctrines which are biblical but which are also associated with the group.

It's interesting how ordinarily nice people can become like ravenous wolves when "Word of Faith" is mentioned as they rail against WOF preachers. (I'm referring to another forum I'm on.) I'm not a fan of these preachers, but how is it that teaching Christians to stand on God's promises no matter what our eyes see is somehow considered heretical? (This is what I've heard some of them preach.) Didn't Jesus ask if He would find FAITH on this earth when He returned? My biggest bone to pick with some of the big name WOF preachers is that they seem to imply that God wants us happy all the time even though Jesus said that in this world, we would have tribulation. And Paul tells us that we have to suffer with Him if we want to be glorified with Him. So, I eat the meat and spit out the bones like I do with ALL preachers.
 
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