Because apparently, you don't know what was said. You only think you do because you have read it before. But the meaning of what is written never registered in your mind (and heart).
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For those who don't believe in prophets today....explain this
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CoreIssue
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Now your being sarcastic.
Look how far Jimmy Swaggart and Jim Bakker have fallen.
Name me one of that ilk that has earned respect.
And David Hocking may have been the 3rd according to Zechariah 11:8 (unless there was someone else that I missed).
Certain of the grouping that you speak of have earned definite respect among their followers. One of them even received a key to the city of Columbia, SC a while ago.
Unfortunately, a certain radio personality has railed on them to the nth degree and brought their names into disrepute.
However, I am certain that many of those railed on were not seeking honour from man anyway.
You should consider the possibility that Matthew 5:10-12, 2 Timothy 3:10-12 could apply to these situations.
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I wasn't being sarcastic in the slightest. I just didn't get the scripture reference up in time for your post.
CoreIssue
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Charles Taze Russell and Joseph Smith are respected by their followers as well. But they remain cult founders that have deceived millions.
You did not provide a single name of who deserves respect.
[QUOTE="justbyfaith, post: 472738, member: 7886"~]I think that they (the faith teachers) have gotten a bad rap to a certain degree; and that not everything that is identified as "word of faith docrtrine" is necessarily false doctrine.
For example, we as believers are able to lay a hold of promises in God's word so that we can be certain of an affirmative answer to our prayers if they be in alignment with God's word.
2 Peter 1:3-4, Hebrews 11:33, 2 Corinthians 1:20 (kjv), and Romans 4:20-22 all testify to this.
Also, Mark 11:22-24 (with John 14:13-14, John 15:7-8, and 1 John 5:14-15) testifies to this.
It is a shame that this doctrine of how to have your prayers answered is slandered as false doctrine by some.
Some of those who even slander this as "prosperity doctrine/health and wealth gospel" have large homes themselves and are enjoying great wealth and prosperity; and yet they condemn some of these "faith teachers" for the same.
This has given "faith" a bad name, impaho;
not to mention it is not necessarily a sin to have prosperity in one's life: Paul knew how to abound and he knew how to suffer need; and was instructed both to be full and to be hungry: in his life his income as a true minister meant feast or famine.
I would mention also that the righteousness of faith speaketh on this wise: that the word is nigh thee, in thy mouth and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith which we preach...Romans 10:8.
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If I regard iniquity in my heart, the Lord will not hear me. Psalms 66:18.
This would mean that simply praying the sinner's prayer (if you do not lay hold of promises in the Lord's word that speak of how it is His will to answer your prayer of salvation) might not avail for anything.
If someone prays the sinner's prayer but does not repent (i.e. desires to continue on in their sins); then the Lord will not even hear such a prayer as that; for they are regarding iniquity in their heart.
This is why it is important that you know what the promises are that tell you how to obtain the answers to your prayers; because if you didn't lay hold of them when you prayed the sinner's prayer, you might not even be saved.[~/QUOTE]
For example, we as believers are able to lay a hold of promises in God's word so that we can be certain of an affirmative answer to our prayers if they be in alignment with God's word.
2 Peter 1:3-4, Hebrews 11:33, 2 Corinthians 1:20 (kjv), and Romans 4:20-22 all testify to this.
Also, Mark 11:22-24 (with John 14:13-14, John 15:7-8, and 1 John 5:14-15) testifies to this.
It is a shame that this doctrine of how to have your prayers answered is slandered as false doctrine by some.
Some of those who even slander this as "prosperity doctrine/health and wealth gospel" have large homes themselves and are enjoying great wealth and prosperity; and yet they condemn some of these "faith teachers" for the same.
This has given "faith" a bad name, impaho;
not to mention it is not necessarily a sin to have prosperity in one's life: Paul knew how to abound and he knew how to suffer need; and was instructed both to be full and to be hungry: in his life his income as a true minister meant feast or famine.
I would mention also that the righteousness of faith speaketh on this wise: that the word is nigh thee, in thy mouth and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith which we preach...Romans 10:8.
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If I regard iniquity in my heart, the Lord will not hear me. Psalms 66:18.
This would mean that simply praying the sinner's prayer (if you do not lay hold of promises in the Lord's word that speak of how it is His will to answer your prayer of salvation) might not avail for anything.
If someone prays the sinner's prayer but does not repent (i.e. desires to continue on in their sins); then the Lord will not even hear such a prayer as that; for they are regarding iniquity in their heart.
This is why it is important that you know what the promises are that tell you how to obtain the answers to your prayers; because if you didn't lay hold of them when you prayed the sinner's prayer, you might not even be saved.[~/QUOTE]
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Because they have been slandered so completely that if I mentioned even one of their names, there would be an argument from your end that they in all reality do not deserve respect.
Now I know that some of the "faith teachers" have been even recorded as having taught false doctrine; and I am in agreement that the doctrines identified as false are indeed false.
However, certain doctrines also taught by them are lumped into the same category as the false things that are taught by them; but I find those doctrines in the word.
Therefore the final judge of whether a doctrine taught by them is false or true, is not dependent on whether it was taught by them (for some determine that the doctrine must be false because of who it was that taught it); but is rather dependent on whether the word of God actually teaches that doctrine.
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That may be true. But the prominent televangelists etc. are clearly violating Bible and Gospel principles when they either solicit cash, or promise the moon to those who fill their pockets, so that they can maintain a luxurious lifestyle. As long as they do this they are indeed *con-men*.
You will not find that kind of behavior recorded in the Bible, other than as related to false teachers and false prophets.
I don't disagree with you.
2 Corinthians 11:8 is something that often isn't taken into consideration however, when certain men are judged.
It seems to me that it didn't matter to you if any of them had earned respect; because when I made known to you that some of them have respect, you reverted to the second quote, above. So why did you ask the question in the first place? My answer didn't change your opinion one whit.
CoreIssue
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I only ask you one question. Who are the ones that deserve respect?
Your dancing all over the place and not giving me a single name.
I will not mention the names of any of them that have been slandered as being the ringleaders of the group; but there are others who have similar doctrine in their teaching that are highly regarded in the church. However if I mention the names of these, their names will also be slandered, so I refrain from mentioning them because specific doctrines taught by them are needed in the body of Christ; and certain people who might be identified as "faith teachers" also do not teach the false doctrines associated with the group; but merely teach those doctrines which are biblical but which are also associated with the group.
CoreIssue
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As for you, the anointing which you received from Him abides in you, and you have no need for anyone to teach you; but as His anointing teaches you about all things, and is true and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you abide in Him.
1 John 2:27 NASB
1 John 2:27 NASB
All prophecy today is false. Paul was speaking to his immediate audience in 2nd person plural. Not to us.
ScottA
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If that were true [and it's not] only they would have been "the members of one body." Which would make all of us like the animals.
Had Paul not taught the prophetic gifts ending by the time John wrote Revelation, it would hold true for us too.
ScottA
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No, that is a scriptural violation of John/Jesus' command, saying "this book." For he did not say all scripture.
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