For those who don't believe in prophets today....explain this

[Dave L]

No, that is a scriptural violation of John/Jesus' command, saying "this book." For he did not say all scripture.

I'm not sure about what you are saying. Could you clarify it more so?

 

[ScottA]

I'm not sure about what you are saying. Could you clarify it more so?

People incorrectly assume that the command/warning/curse at the end or the book of Revelation includes the whole bible. But that is not what it says. Other places in the scriptures it refers to books and the scriptures collectively, but in the book of Revelation. It says in particular "this book." Meaning, that if one adds to that book, any of the other books, that in fact would be adding. But the command/warning/curse is specific, saying only "this book."

In addition, the "Bible" which constituted the Christian canons of both the Old and New Testament was generally established by the 5th century, despite some scholarly disagreements. Which would mean the church fathers would have added and taken away any real ability to claim that the command/warning/curse of the book of Revelation ("this book") included anything in particular of the rest of scripture, making the argument moot.

 

[justbyfaith]

All prophecy today is false. Paul was speaking to his immediate audience in 2nd person plural. Not to us.

Hebrews 3:7-8, Hebrews 3:15, and Hebrews 4:7, I suppose, is also speaking to the immediate audience and not to us.

Sometimes it can be a double-edged sword.

 

[Dave L]

Hebrews 3:7-8, Hebrews 3:15, and Hebrews 4:7, I suppose, is also speaking to the immediate audience and not to us.

Sometimes it can be a double-edged sword.

He's quoting OT scripture "ye" in the past (aorist) tense that applies to us today.

 

[Dave L]

People incorrectly assume that the command/warning/curse at the end or the book of Revelation includes the whole bible. But that is not what it says. Other places in the scriptures it refers to books and the scriptures collectively, but in the book of Revelation. It says in particular "this book." Meaning, that if one adds to that book, any of the other books, that in fact would be adding. But the command/warning/curse is specific, saying only "this book."

In addition, the "Bible" which constituted the Christian canons of both the Old and New Testament was generally established by the 5th century, despite some scholarly disagreements. Which would mean the church fathers would have added and taken away any real ability to claim that the command/warning/curse of the book of Revelation ("this book") included anything in particular of the rest of scripture, making the argument moot.

How does this relate to our discussion?

 

[justbyfaith]

How does this relate to our discussion?

I'm going to let the Holy Spirit be the One to answer that question for you.

 

[justbyfaith]

He's quoting OT scripture "ye" in the past (aorist) tense that applies to us today.

But some of God's word doesn't apply to us today...smorgasborg religion.

 

[Dave L]

But some of God's word doesn't apply to us today...smorgasborg religion.

Some of God's word applies only to certain people. If we don't understand this, we can end up sinning.

 

[Dave L]

I'm going to let the Holy Spirit be the One to answer that question for you.

I don't get the connection.

 

[justbyfaith]

I don't get the connection.

You should pray about it then.

 

[Dave L]

You should pray about it then.

My prayer would be for you to better communicate.

 

[justbyfaith]

Some of God's word applies only to certain people. If we don't understand this, we can end up sinning.

All scripture is given by inspiration of the Lord and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness; that the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. 2 Timothy 3:16-17.

 

[Dave L]

All scripture is given by inspiration of the Lord and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness; that the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. 2 Timothy 3:16-17.

We learn from their mistakes too.

 

[justbyfaith]

My prayer would be for you to better communicate.

My prayer for you would be for you to think less naturally. (iow, listen to the Holy Spirit when you don't get something).

 

[justbyfaith]

We learn from their mistakes too.

Whose mistakes?

 

[Dave L]

My prayer for you would be for you to think less naturally.

 

[Dave L]

Whose mistakes?

How about the false prophets?

 

[Willie T]

We learn from their mistakes too.

So true. Nowhere does that Scripture say: "All Scripture shows us the way we should act."

 

[justbyfaith]

"instruction in righteousness" doesn't show us how we should act? See 1 John 3:7.

 

[justbyfaith]

How about the false prophets?

That doesn't follow from the (immediate) context of this conversation.