This is something new...
Did you think before you wrote these texted style deceptive cryptic short statements bro? Are they meant to be incendiary? I wonder...I do not do this type of cute very well at all.
This is a serious discussion and what you think I mean or propose better be validated by me with inquiry before it goes primetime. I hope you get the mood I beginning to move into...
I never said the Son was not created, and he is literal indeed. What is he then, non-literal, or imaginary...lol
And both begotten (born) and created are intrinsically linked. Separate them if you can although you will find you cannot do it.
Created means the Father made the Son, and begotten or born means the actual process of giving birth of the Son that the Father created by conception, within the womb of Mary, per scripture. What dictionary are you now using?
Please explain yourself..
Brought forth of the Father... Begotten... Before creation, before time... In eternity. A Son brought forth from God and then empowered and authorized to become the Creator of all things and then to become human in order to redeem mankind.
Deceptive? Cryptic? Sorry bro, but you're getting the wrong message. And I'm not 'accusing' you of quote:
I never said the Son was not created,... I know that, and that's the point.
I'm saying the Son was
not created, but begotten. Begotten in a way that scripture doesn't explain, but begotten nevertheless.
Not only does the Bible tell us that Christ is begotten of God, but it also says He is the
only begotten of God (John 1:14, 1:18, 3:16, 3:18 and 1 John 4:9 KJV).
No one else has ever been begotten of God. Even an angel cannot be said to be a son in this respect. Just as the material things of our world were made out of nothing, so too the angels were made out of nothing (out of things that do not appear – see Hebrews 11:3). This though, cannot be said of Christ. He was begotten (brought forth) of God’s very own substance. He therefore, in His very nature, is truly and fully divine. That much is indisputable.
He is not the Father, the Son is a separate independent individual being, but in Him dwells all the fulness of the Godhead bodily (Colossians 1:19, 2:9). This is where I part from the traditional understanding of the trinity as taught in the creeds. Yet God is one. How that unity between the Father and Son exists, we are not told.
All things, including the angels, were created through (by) Christ. KJV 1 Corinthians 8:6
6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
KJV Colossians 1:14-16
14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
KJV Hebrews 1:1-3
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
Christ, in His pre-existence, was not part of God’s creation. He is of the Godhead.
