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Former Rain / Latter Rain, How, do they play in to the end times, if they do at all?

Jer 5:24 Neither say they in their heart, Let us now fear the LORD our God, that giveth rain, both the former and the latter, in his season: he reserveth unto us the appointed weeks of the harvest.

Hos 6:3 Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth.

Joe 2:23 Be glad then, ye children of Zion, and rejoice in the LORD your God: for he hath given you the former rain moderately, and he will cause to come down for you the rain, the former rain, and the latter rain in the first month.
 

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Former Rain / Latter Rain, How, do they play in to the end times, if they do at all?

Jer 5:24 Neither say they in their heart, Let us now fear the LORD our God, that giveth rain, both the former and the latter, in his season: he reserveth unto us the appointed weeks of the harvest.

Hos 6:3 Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth.

Joe 2:23 Be glad then, ye children of Zion, and rejoice in the LORD your God: for he hath given you the former rain moderately, and he will cause to come down for you the rain, the former rain, and the latter rain in the first month.


His rain...both former and latter, play a HUGE part in the end times.

As Jesus is the Word, when "He shall come unto us as the rain" then he comes to us in His Word. The rain is understanding of His Word. As written in Daniel...the books are closed until the time of the end...then understanding is poured on us.

In the above Joel quote, where it is written, "the latter rain in the first month," it is important to note that "month" was added leaving us with the question of...first of what?

I do wonder...will we know when this latter rain is being poured. If we are now receiving rain how are we to judge if it is the former or the latter? I ask as He is opening understanding to many...revelations are given now..is it the latter rain, is the latter rain in the the first of the latter days and are we now, as many believe, including me, in the latter days?
 

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I would say we probably are in the latter rain days. The bible is cloaked in mystery just like when Jesus' preaching was in parables. It is quite amazing actually!!!! It is impossible to understand what God is saying unless this rain is poured out on us. For instance, nowhere in the bible does it talk about the falling away at all. Only those who have turned to God in true repentance will have this revealed to them. You can read and read and read the bible but it won't tell you anything about the falling away, that Paul said had to happen before the end. The end time events and final 70th year hinges on understanding what the falling away is. If you read the gospels you can clearly see how unhappy Jesus was with the Jewish people of His generation for their hard heartedness and their falling away (it is clearly telling us something in the gospels). The message of the churches falling away is deeply hidden in God. As the nation of Isreal did, so have the churches done. This information is being revealed to us in the latter rain now. It has been being poured out for the last 30 years about now. It is all very interesting now and we could even be learning more and more as time goes on.

You see people all over talking about the end time 70th week, but who is putting all these things together with the great falling away that has occurred? Hardly anyone! Unless you understand the falling away and how bad it is, we are not going to fully comprehend the events of the last 70th week. At least I don't think we will.

The latter rain, I believe, is coming by precept upon precept. God is actually teaching and has been teaching some of us things for years and will build upon this teaching. The revealing of future events will be built on this teaching that has been so hidden from most people. Precious are those who see it!

Kim
 

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I came upon this article by Thomas Ice on another message board: Rapture Ready.

Latter Rain Pentecostalism

One of the first non-Calvinist groups to adopt a dispensational orientation can be found among some Pentecostals in the mid-1920s. This development must be understood against a backdrop of the Wesleyan and holiness heritage out of which Pentecostalism arose at the turn of last century. The American holiness movement of the 1800s was primarily postmillennial and if premillennial, then historical premillennial. They were not in any way dispensational.

Pentecostalism is at heart a supposed restoration of apostolic Christianity that is meant to bring in the latter rain harvest in preparation for Christ's return. The phrase "latter rain" is taken from Joel 2:23 & 28 and sometimes James 5:7as a label describing an end-time revival and evangelistic harvest expected by many charismatics and Pentecostals. Some time in the future, they believe the Holy Spirit will be poured out like never before. The latter rain teaching is developed from the agricultural model that a farmer needs rain at two crucial points in the growing cycle in order to produce a bountiful harvest. First, right after the seed is planted the "early rain" is needed to cause the seed to germinate in order to produce a healthy crop. Second, the crop needs rain right before the harvest, called the "latter rain," so the grain will produce a high yield at harvest time, which shortly follows. Latter rain advocates teach that the Acts 2 outpouring of the Holy Spirit was the "early rain" but the “latter rain" outpouring of the Holy Spirit will occur at the end-times. This scenario is in conflict with dispensationalism that sees the current age ending, not in revival, but apostasy. It will be during the tribulation, after the rapture of the church, that God will use the miraculous in conjunction with the preaching of the gospel. Thus, latter rain theology fits within a postmillennial or historical premillennial eschatology, but it is not consistent with dispensationalism.

Many Christians are aware that the Pentecostal movement began on January 1, 1901 in Topeka, Kansas when Agnes Ozman (1870-1937) spoke in tongues under the tutelage of Charles Fox Parham (1873-1929). Yet, how many realize that in the "early years Pentecostalism often took the name 'Latter Rain Movement'"?[49]This is because Parham titled his report of the new movement as "The Latter Rain: The Story of the Origin of the Original Apostolic or Pentecostal Movements."[50] Many are also aware that William J. Seymour (1870-1922) came under the influence of Parham in Houston, Texas in1905 and then took the Pentecostal message to Azusa Street in Los Angeles in1906, from where it was disseminated to the four-corners of the world. But, how many are also aware that he too spoke of these things in terms of a latter rain framework?

There is no doubt that the latter rain teaching was one of the major components-if not the major distinctive-in the theological formation of Pentecostalism. "Modern Pentecostalism is the 'latter rain,' the special outpouring of the Spirit that restores the gifts in the last days as part of the preparation for the 'harvest,' the return of Christ in glory," says Donald Dayton.[51]David Wesley Myland (1858-1943) was one of the early Pentecostal leaders. He wrote the first distinctly Pentecostal hymn entitled, "The Latter Rain" in1906. The "first definitive Pentecostal theology that was widely distributed, the Latter Rain Covenant” appeared in 1910.[52] Myland argued in his book that "now we are in the Gentile Pentecost, the first Pentecost started the church, the body of Christ, and this, the second Pentecost, unites and perfects the church into the coming of the Lord."[53]

Dayton concludes that the "broader Latter Rain doctrine provided a key . . . premise in the logic of Pentecostalism."[54] In spite of having such a key place in the thinking of early Pentecostalism, "the latter rain doctrine did tend to drop out of Pentecostalism" in the 1920s "only to reappear, however, in the radical Latter Rain revitalization movement of the 1940s."[55] One of reasons that latter rain teachings began to wane in the mid-1920s was that as Pentecostalism became more institutionalized it needed an answer to the inroads of liberalism. As noted above, dispensationalism was seen as a help in these areas.

The Latter Rain teaching developed out of the Wesleyan-Holiness desire for both individual (sanctification) and corporate (eschatological) perfection. Thus, early perfectionist teachers like John Wesley, Charles Finney, and Asa Mahan were all postmillennial and social activists. Revivalism was gagged by carrying the burden of both personal and public change or perfection. It follows that one who believes in personal perfection should also believe that public perfection is equally possible. Those who believe the latter are postmillennialists. After all, if God has given the Holy Spirit in this age to do either, then why not the other? If God can perfect individuals, then why not society?

However, as the 1800s turned into the 1900s, social change was increasingly linked with Darwin's theory of evolution. The evolutionary rationale was then used to attack the Bible itself. To most English-speaking Christians it certainly appeared that society was not being perfected, instead it was in decline. Critics of the Bible said that one needed a Ph.D. from Europe before the Bible could be organized and understood. It was into this climate that dispensationalism was introduced into America and probably accounts for its speedy and widespread acceptance by many conservative Christians. To many Bible believing Christians, Dispensationalism made a great deal more sense of the world than did the anti-supernaturalism conclusions of liberalism.

Dispensationalism, in contrast to Holiness teaching, taught that the world and the visible church were not being perfected, instead Christendom was in apostasy and heading toward judgment. God is currently in the process of calling out His elect through the preaching of the gospel. Christian social change would not be permanent, nor would it lead to the establishment of Christ's kingdom before His return. Instead a cataclysmic intervention was needed (Christ's second coming), if society was to be transformed.
 

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The end time events and final 70th year hinges on understanding what the falling away is. If you read the gospels you can clearly see how unhappy Jesus was with the Jewish people of His generation for their hard heartedness and their falling away (it is clearly telling us something in the gospels). The message of the churches falling away is deeply hidden in God. As the nation of Isreal did, so have the churches done.

Kim

I find it interesting that Herold called the chief priest and scribes together asking about the the King of the Jews. The wise men were seeking Him. They gave him the place but didn't elaborate about the TIME. Gabriel is mentioned by name in two places in the bible, Danial and Luke both times He is announcing the Christ. We all know that you can pinpoint the coming of the Messiah from Gabriel's message to Danial.
Know therefore and understand,
That from the going forth of the command
To restore and build Jerusalem
Until Messiah the Prince,
There shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks;
The street shall be built again, and the wall,
Even in troublesome times.

Surly the Jews knew of this but yet Jesus said, Luke 19:[sup]43[/sup] For days will come upon you when your enemies will build an embankment around you, surround you and close you in on every side, [sup]44[/sup] and level you, and your children within you, to the ground; and they will not leave in you one stone upon another, because you did not know the time of your visitation.”

I would guess that 80 to 90% of churches today
teach that the 70th week of Danial is yet to come, it has also been woven together with the great tribulation. With this also comes the 3rd temple that needs to be rebuilt so the AC can cause the sacrifices to cease.
Danial 9:27
Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week;
But in the middle of the week
He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.
And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate,
Even until the consummation, which is determined,
Is poured out on the desolate.”

This verse was always understood to be speaking of or applied to Jesus Christ not Anti-christ in pre Darby or pre dispensationalism.
I believe the same fate as you say that befell the Jews will also befall the latter day church-----the great falling away.
I also believe the miss handling of Danial's message from Gabriel by the Jews will be the same mishandled message by the latter day church.

I have posted a few replies in greater detail about this verse, but with so many Christians believing the gap theory between the 69 and 70 week it all looks very clear to me.
Let just suppose that some future event takes place that makes the third temple, the secret rapture, or the lamb that speaks like a dragon appears, but goes nowhere near Jerusalem. Now just think what such a thing would do to main stream protestant churches. There would be anarchy, false prophet accusations fast food Christians that have no root would be lost.

For false Christs will arise, and false prophets, and will show great signs and wonders; so that, if it were possible, they would deceive the very elect.

I think the false prophets are here now, 80 to 90% of the churches like I said. The great signs and wonders? there will certainly be a show put on buy the lamb with 2 horns. But many of you are taught that you will not be here, so you don't have to worry about that. Suppose you will be here then what?
 

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I came upon this article by Thomas Ice on another message board: Rapture Ready.

Latter Rain Pentecostalism

However, as the 1800s turned into the 1900s, social change was increasingly linked with Darwin's theory of evolution. The evolutionary rationale was then used to attack the Bible itself. To most English-speaking Christians it certainly appeared that society was not being perfected, instead it was in decline. Critics of the Bible said that one needed a Ph.D. from Europe before the Bible could be organized and understood. It was into this climate that dispensationalism was introduced into America and probably accounts for its speedy and widespread acceptance by many conservative Christians. To many Bible believing Christians, Dispensationalism made a great deal more sense of the world than did the anti-supernaturalism conclusions of liberalism.

Dispensationalism, in contrast to Holiness teaching, taught that the world and the visible church were not being perfected, instead Christendom was in apostasy and heading toward judgment. God is currently in the process of calling out His elect through the preaching of the gospel. Christian social change would not be permanent, nor would it lead to the establishment of Christ's kingdom before His return. Instead a cataclysmic intervention was needed (Christ's second coming), if society was to be transformed.
Great info teleiosis
I bolded the point to support my post.
Good read, the world shes been a changing, and so have the public churches and their teachings.
 

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I would say we probably are in the latter rain days. The bible is cloaked in mystery just like when Jesus' preaching was in parables. It is quite amazing actually!!!! It is impossible to understand what God is saying unless this rain is poured out on us. For instance, nowhere in the bible does it talk about the falling away at all. Only those who have turned to God in true repentance will have this revealed to them. You can read and read and read the bible but it won't tell you anything about the falling away, that Paul said had to happen before the end. The end time events and final 70th year hinges on understanding what the falling away is. If you read the gospels you can clearly see how unhappy Jesus was with the Jewish people of His generation for their hard heartedness and their falling away (it is clearly telling us something in the gospels). The message of the churches falling away is deeply hidden in God. As the nation of Isreal did, so have the churches done. This information is being revealed to us in the latter rain now. It has been being poured out for the last 30 years about now. It is all very interesting now and we could even be learning more and more as time goes on.

You see people all over talking about the end time 70th week, but who is putting all these things together with the great falling away that has occurred? Hardly anyone! Unless you understand the falling away and how bad it is, we are not going to fully comprehend the events of the last 70th week. At least I don't think we will.

The latter rain, I believe, is coming by precept upon precept. God is actually teaching and has been teaching some of us things for years and will build upon this teaching. The revealing of future events will be built on this teaching that has been so hidden from most people. Precious are those who see it!

Kim

One answer to your question is already entirely obvious. The 'falling away' or The Great Apostacy is upon us.

The notion that the people of Christendom would abandon the faith was so abhorrent and unusual that it was largely ignored until recently.
Secular experts as well as Christian mission and evangelistic groups now admit that Europe has become entirely pagan. That which was once the seat of Christianity and which blossomed in the faith is now completely dead.

As part of the research for my fictional book, I uncovered the sad fact that much of South America is now reverting to its ancient pagan roots.

The old gods are coming back to life.

Even in America, the morality of right and wrong has been abandoned. The fear of God is a joke if not almost a hate crime to declare. Christianity is withering on the vine as we write. Admittedly there are pockets of believers who hold to their faith, but they are in the minority now. The USA was once a bulwark of faith, but is now as corrupt and defiled as any other country on earth.

When will the rain come? We are dry and in need of refreshment.

May God have mercy upon us.
 

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That Latter Rain Pentecostalism article and the all too obvious falling away of many today is proof that the latter rain is still yet to come.

It's includes an event about the Testimony for Christ His elect are to give during the coming tribulation, for only His elect will not be deceived, and only they will give it by The Holy Spirit. That is why Peter said, "this is that" in Acts 2 to show it was only an "ensample" of the Joel prophecy on Pentecost. Remember, there's two candlesticks (Churches) standing with God's two witnesses per Rev.11. And the other five Churches? Fallen away. That is specifically during the 1260 days, or 42 months, of the reign of the dragon, on the 6th trumpet - 2nd woe.

But it makes a nice plot to say it happens early, to fill up Church pews and the coffers.