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Forming to the image of the beast is a dead spirit. Carnal man's perception.

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    pittsburghjoe Well-Known Member

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    Is human spirit being resurrected when we join Christ in His Sacrifice? God's Spirit witnesses we are no longer using carnal knowledge to make choices that satan tempted us with.

    God's Spirit witnesses a renewed spirit (alive) as forming to the image of Christ. "What Would Jesus Do?" perception.

    Romans 8:16
    The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
    (scripture via user 4ChristAlone)

    If everyone has a spirit, it means there is still a connection ..but what matters is if God witnesses you as alive. I think there might be levels of connection. If spirits return to God then those in the lake might have complete separation.
     
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    Adam and Eve spiritually died in the Garden because they formed their perception to satan's line of thinking ..they formed to the image of the beast. They received the mark of the beast. Carnal knowledge blinds you to God, so they may have had difficulty remembering the Garden.

    Your perception of reality is directly tied to your spirit. To renew your spirit is to have God's perception which includes the spiritual side of reality. To have an alive spirit is to be righteous with the image of Christ. Nothing in this reality matters except for joining Christ and waking others.

    Image of the beast TO the Image of Christ (Life, Truth, The Way, Light)
     
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    Is this place a temporary test where there will be Judgement for everyone that ever lived?

    Then why wouldn't the mark of the beast be available from the start?

    Why would only the people at the very end be offered it?

    Could something more obvious be offered at the end?
     
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    Didn’t Cain get a mark? “Today you are driving me from the land, and I will be hidden from your presence;” People with the mark are hidden from God’s presence.
     
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    Was God demonstrating the character test we are in with Cain and Abel?

    whoever finds me will kill me" (Genesis 4:13-14). God responded, "Not so; if anyone kills Cain, he will suffer vengeance seven times over." Then the Lord put a mark on Cain so that no one who found him would kill him" (Genesis 4:15-16).

    The mark of the beast protects you from other beasts?
     
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    Only teh believer has their human spirit alive and functioning as Paul wrote in Ephesians. The unsaved have a dead spirit and thus incapable of hearing and learning from God. We are trichotomous (body soul and spirit) while the unsaved are only bichotomous (body and soul ans spirit is dead)
     
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    Did Adam and Eve fall from the image of the beast? Did Cain take it a step further and receive the mark of the beast?

    The mark of the beast can still happen at the end of this reality, but it was always available in a different form.
     
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    Is "hidden from" God's presence the same as the illusion, carnal knowledge causes to be blind/separated to God?

    Was God clueing us in on how this reality is setup via Cain?

    Are we blind to God if we have the mark or image of the beast? Is this one of the reasons why it is key that we do not have it during Judgement? Will the wicked be blind to their own Judgement?
     
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    "And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground."

    Jesus is associated with sheep. satan is associated with fallen ground.

    God after not respecting Cain's offering:
    Genesis 4:7
    If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

    Sin at the door? Instead of Christ at the door?

    Desire from the beast image? We can rule over sin/beast image if we try?

    "And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him."

    carnal man killed spirit
     
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    is this a one sided post? what beast image are you referring to ?
     
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    i am well aware about the image paul wrote 1Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 7For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 8And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. The Holy spirit is the restraining agent which lives in us. when the Church is took out. then all hell will break lose
     
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    It's all about who we have at the door, Christ or satan. It's our perception.

    Cain and Abel is carnal man killing spirit out of their physical lives. This reality is about getting God back into our lives via Christ.
     
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    Isaiah 53 is similar to Cain and Abel (evil man slaughtered Christ)

    All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

    7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.

    He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.

    And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.
    Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.

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    Mark of Christ in his hand
     
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    o_O

    Hebrews 12:24
    And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

    Genesis 4:10
    And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground.
     
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    Luke 11:49-52

    Therefore also said the wisdom of God, I will send them prophets and apostles, and some of them they shall slay and persecute:

    50 That the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation;

    51 From the blood of Abel unto the blood of Zacharias which perished between the altar and the temple: verily I say unto you, It shall be required of this generation.

    Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered.

    "Abel was a prefiguring of Jesus as he was the first innocent human to be sacrificed for the Word of God."

    via Stephen Arthur Noel DSouza
     
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    In Luke 11:51 Abel has been called a prophet. A prophet is one who speaks on behalf of God. So perhaps Abel was given instructions on sacrificial offerings which were shared with Cain. The instructions were to sacrifice an unblemished lamb with the fat. It was to be offered with a pure heart and in obedience to God's commands.

    via Stephen Arthur Noel DSouza
     
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    "Babylon is described as a Prostitute, selling herself to the world"

    The image and mark of the beast is about selling yourself to the world.
     
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    "Would Cain have killed Abel if God didn’t show favoritism for Abel?"
    via Jwee Chiek Er

    I suspect that favoritism was just a flame picking your sacrifice or not. Stephen Arthur Noel DSouza mentions Abel being a prophet and talking to Cain on what to do. Cain was doing what carnal man does ..reject the spiritual.

    Or their location was special and God really did talk openly to them.
     
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    Is Cain and Abel a half way point of Eden to Nod (fallen earth)? Did Cain lose presence with the Lord when he got the mark?
     
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