"Free" Will

[StanJ]

Best when you come into an old thread, to see if the OP is still with us before addressing him. JoJo have been gone for a while.

 

[tooldtocare]

Please remain respectful and do not descend into the realm of excessive ad hominem postings! This thread has been cleaned up a bit.

God, if I have done these things

HammerStone,

Please forgive me
& help me learn the right way -

 

[Enquirer]

Best when you come into an old thread, to see if the OP is still with us before addressing him. JoJo have been gone for a while.

Agreed, however the point is still valid and the verses JoJo quoted are some of the "harder" verses that are misunderstood
and many still struggle with them ... as a younger Christian they were fairly confusing to me and as is witnessed by JoJo's
post, they were to him/her as well.

Free will is free will within the parameters of God's will, that might sound somewhat limiting but the scope of free will within
this sphere is enough to cater to and cover all man's desires.
Jesus said that "all things are possible to him that believes" ... ALL THINGS.

The limit of ALL THINGS reaches it's boundary with the finite mind of man and submission to the God ordained authority
and predetermined will.

 

[StanJ]

I have no problem with that Enquirer. It was the point about actually addressing the OP and not the topic that I was addressing.

 

[HearGod]

Agreed, however the point is still valid and the verses JoJo quoted are some of the "harder" verses that are misunderstood
and many still struggle with them ... as a younger Christian they were fairly confusing to me and as is witnessed by JoJo's
post, they were to him/her as well.

Free will is free will within the parameters of God's will, that might sound somewhat limiting but the scope of free will within
this sphere is enough to cater to and cover all man's desires.
Jesus said that "all things are possible to him that believes" ... ALL THINGS.

The limit of ALL THINGS reaches it's boundary with the finite mind of man and submission to the God ordained authority
and predetermined will.

Hi Enquirer,

You have quoted from Mark 9:23 of the King James Bible, which was supposedly translated from Stephanus Textus Receptus 1550, which reads:

ὁ δὲ Ἰησοῦς εἶπεν αὐτῷ Τὸ Εἰ δύνασαι πιστεῦσαι, πάντα δυνατὰ τῷ πιστεύοντι

Firstly, please believe me if you may, you won't find the "THINGS" word in the above-mentioned Greek text. So then, most of the English translations could be far from what this verse says in the Greek.

Secondly, there must be a reason why this Greek text has been corrupted [ever] since during/before the 5th Century. So then, most of "us" (Christians? the Church? Humans?) would probably not like to read what Jesus actually said too.

I would recommend that you read this verse with a pinch of salt.


Btw, freewill to do what?
1) Did God give humans freewill to choose (to believe in) Him (and/or His son?), and end up in Heaven? Or
2) Did God give humans freewill to choose to reject (to disbelieve in) Him (and/or His son?), and end up in Hell? Or
3) ?

 

[tooldtocare]

God's plan is.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,,.God knew would happen and allowed His plan to work.

In my view God created us by seeding this planet and from there He stepped back and let us unfold in our own way making mistakes on the way as we evolve. He gave us His likeness and from there the choices we make are ours alone to make. So make your choices wisely in my view

 

[tooldtocare]

I would recommend that you read this verse with a pinch of salt.


Btw, freewill to do what?
2) Did God give humans freewill to choose.,.,.,.,.

Yes, He gave us choices, the power of free will. We are not puppets on a string

 

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[aspen]

Yes, He gave us choices, the power of free will. We are not puppets on a string

We are puppets on strings if we remain slaves to our false self. Jesus tells us that losing ourselves is the way to salvation and true freedom.

 

[tooldtocare]

We are puppets on strings if we remain slaves to our false self. Jesus tells us that losing ourselves is the way to salvation and true freedom.

I am sorry but I could not find "Losing ourselves" in any Biblical text. For the sake of us dumb peons on the street corner, elaborate on your choice of words. i.e. what does that phrase mean to you?

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[whitestone]

Since the term 'free will' isn't in scriptures, it's a moot point.

Whether some haven't been given a "choice" or not in this world isn't my concern.

What IS my concern is that I HAVE been given a choice. I've chosen Life. What choice have you chosen?

(Deu 30:19) I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

 

[Doug_E_Fresh]

Whether some haven't been given a "choice" or not in this world isn't my concern.

It should be since that means that your God isn't loving everyone as He claims to. He puts some in hell on purpose? how is that loving?

@thread:

This topic as a whole really isn't that complicated if you approach it correctly.
The question hinges on a simpler one: "Can God make you sin? or do you choose to sin against Him?" Scripture is very clear on this. If God isn't making all your choices for you, including making you sin, that means you have free will. REAL free will.

If you want more proof: How can you be in relationship with Christ at all if He is controlling you completely? Relationships require love both ways. Love is given, not taken. God can't make you love Him, or it's not love.

But, that doesn't mean He doesn't have sovereignty of your life either. His foreknowledge of events makes it unnecessary, but not impossible, for Him to intervene in your life since He knows what you will ultimately choose.

 

[whitestone]

It should be since that means that your God isn't loving everyone as He claims to. He puts some in hell on purpose? how is that loving?

@thread:

This topic as a whole really isn't that complicated if you approach it correctly.
The question hinges on a simpler one: "Can God make you sin? or do you choose to sin against Him?" Scripture is very clear on this. If God isn't making all your choices for you, including making you sin, that means you have free will. REAL free will.

If you want more proof: How can you be in relationship with Christ at all if He is controlling you completely? Relationships require love both ways. Love is given, not taken. God can't make you love Him, or it's not love.

But, that doesn't mean He doesn't have sovereignty of your life either. His foreknowledge of events makes it unnecessary, but not impossible, for Him to intervene in your life since He knows what you will ultimately choose.

I know of no such God as you are vainly imagining to your own destruction

 

[Doug_E_Fresh]

@Whitestone
You're pouring an awful lot of judgement into your coffee. You might want to cut back a little bit before you start making a fool out of yourself. You may not see this as an important topic, but your ignorance of it doesn't make it any less important.

 

[whitestone]

@Whitestone
You're pouring an awful lot of judgement into your coffee. You might want to cut back a little bit before you start making a fool out of yourself. You may not see this as an important topic, but your ignorance of it doesn't make it any less important.

I have reported your offensive posts. I am not interested in your snarky opinions. Please attempt to communicate with wisdom and respect. This is a Christian forum you may recall, there is a certain standard for how you conduct yourself here I believe.

 

[Doug_E_Fresh]

@Whitestone
I'll bow out of this conversation with Matthew 7:5. I tried attempting that before I was

"vainly imagining to my own destruction"

 

[Wormwood]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D54k1F5X48&app=desktop

 

[whitestone]

oh oh I think I hurt myself this is so funny thank you so much my neighbors are going to call the orderlies if I kept watching

 

[tooldtocare]

It should be since that means that your God isn't loving everyone as He claims to. He puts some in hell on purpose? how is that loving?

@thread:

This topic as a whole really isn't that complicated if you approach it correctly.
The question hinges on a simpler one: "Can God make you sin? or do you choose to sin against Him?" Scripture is very clear on this. If God isn't making all your choices for you, including making you sin, that means you have free will. REAL free will.

If you want more proof: How can you be in relationship with Christ at all if He is controlling you completely? Relationships require love both ways. Love is given, not taken. God can't make you love Him, or it's not love.

But, that doesn't mean He doesn't have sovereignty of your life either. His foreknowledge of events makes it unnecessary, but not impossible, for Him to intervene in your life since He knows what you will ultimately choose.

"He knows what you will ultimately choose"


I totally Disagree

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