freewill? na

[Grailhunter]

The invasion of the Puppet Master god!
A mind control religion that believes their minds are controlled….irony or hilarity! When you put Calvinism in motion, it is horrid! As a movie it would be one scariest sci-fi horror flicks made. In stead of The Invasion of the Body Snatchers, it would be Invasion of the Mind Snatcher The details of this are generally hidden from the congregation of their own churches. They know, that if people really knew what Calvinism or Predestinationists believe, they would not want to have anything to do with this religion.

It makes people wonder what kind of heart they have? Just like the abortion doctor that gets up in the morning, cleans up, has breakfast and goes to work each day to murder a few babies. What kind of heart could do that? But Calvinism is a million times worse than that, because when you put it in motion, they describe and worship a god that does that to millions of men, women, and children. Damning them to hell by no fault of their own, no hope, no mercy, no escape! What kind of heart could bend a knee to that god? What kind of people think this is good? Is it all about feeling special? The elect, is that worth it? To believe this is right is hideous! Look in history, those that thought they were the elect were the worst of people. And it is not just the Catholics or the Nazis! Thinking that they are above somebody, warps their mind.

If Satan had a Bible in his lap, what scriptures would he quote? Condemnation, judgment, and negativity. If Satan had a Bible in his lap, what Christian denomination would he form? Schemer that he is, he would search the scriptures for scriptures that he could use against God… God is a puppet master that enslaves all humanity! Damns them to Hell before they born!

He would push judgment before creation and predestine the innocent to hell, while laughing at those that were not damned because no good they did was of their own merit, but rather forced by him. In this creation of Satan, no good would matter. Faith, love, compassion, prayer, Grace, forgiveness, kindness, church attendance and good deeds would not matter or show character or true faith because they are all puppets on strings, dummies of the satanic puppet master.

From the outside it seems this religion replaces God with Satan, but of course that is not true. Satan took the position of god in this religion. No heresy can come close to equaling this. It slanders God in the worst way! Portraying him with the character of Satan!

 

[Emily Nghiem]

The invasion of the Puppet Master god!
A mind control religion that believes their minds are controlled….irony or hilarity! When you put Calvinism in motion, it is horrid! As a movie it would be one scariest sci-fi horror flicks made. In stead of The Invasion of the Body Snatchers, it would be Invasion of the Mind Snatcher The details of this are generally hidden from the congregation of their own churches. They know, that if people really knew what Calvinism or Predestinationists believe, they would not want to have anything to do with this religion.

It makes people wonder what kind of heart they have? Just like the abortion doctor that gets up in the morning, cleans up, has breakfast and goes to work each day to murder a few babies. What kind of heart could do that? But Calvinism is a million times worse than that, because when you put it in motion, they describe and worship a god that does that to millions of men, women, and children. Damning them to hell by no fault of their own, no hope, no mercy, no escape! What kind of heart could bend a knee to that god? What kind of people think this is good? Is it all about feeling special? The elect, is that worth it? To believe this is right is hideous! Look in history, those that thought they were the elect were the worst of people. And it is not just the Catholics or the Nazis! Thinking that they are above somebody, warps their mind.

If Satan had a Bible in his lap, what scriptures would he quote? Condemnation, judgment, and negativity. If Satan had a Bible in his lap, what Christian denomination would he form? Schemer that he is, he would search the scriptures for scriptures that he could use against God… God is a puppet master that enslaves all humanity! Damns them to Hell before they born!

He would push judgment before creation and predestine the innocent to hell, while laughing at those that were not damned because no good they did was of their own merit, but rather forced by him. In this creation of Satan, no good would matter. Faith, love, compassion, prayer, Grace, forgiveness, kindness, church attendance and good deeds would not matter or show character or true faith because they are all puppets on strings, dummies of the satanic puppet master.

From the outside it seems this religion replaces God with Satan, but of course that is not true. Satan took the position of god in this religion. No heresy can come close to equaling this. It slanders God in the worst way! Portraying him with the character of Satan!

For systems that divide people into classes (like the 144,000 that will be called to Heaven first), I interpret this to mean SOME people are called as Elders or Pastors to teach groups or communities.

They would have to gather in agreement in Christ, received the greater vision and plans from God, then teach their respective members of their home groups.

I don't see it as those Elders are saved and not others.

But the leaders are called to SERVE the community. They may be called forth first, but the rest of the sheep follow.

So this would make sense that God preordained and planned for key leaders to serve and minister to the masses but organized in orderly groups or tribes.

Thanks @Grailhunter

 

[DPMartin]

Justin and others show us what was first taught as Christian doctrine. Free will was first taught as Christian doctrine. As I pointed out, it was the Gnostics who said all things were fated.

Yes, as I pointed out, it's all come from God. There would be no salvation apart from God. However, that doesn't mean that man doesn't have free will. God set a choice before Israel, life and death. He told them to choose life. I think you're making an assumption here too. You said if God revealed Himself to all, all would believe. He revealed Himself to the children in the wilderness...

The Scriptures make it pretty clear that man must choose to be saved.

though God did what He did, in the wilderness, did the non- believers blame God for their problems in the wilderness? or did they blame Moses?

Jesus performed miracle after miracle and only a few believed and Jesus revealed Himself only to the very few after the resurrection. Presence and Word of God was acknowledged and documented by the believer like Moses, but not always acknowledged by the crowed.

again no one is going to say when they are in heaven the only reason they were there is because they choose to be there. you didn't chose to be born into the world and you didn't chose to be born into the kingdom of Heaven. its by will of Spirit you don't have until you are born of it.

the choice of apples and oranges are not the case with born of Spirit. and scripture shows God choses not man, and if God says chose Life, that is His choice for you, just as Jesus is His choice for you.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

though God did what He did, in the wilderness, did the non- believers blame God for their problems in the wilderness? or did they blame Moses?

Jesus performed miracle after miracle and only a few believed and Jesus revealed Himself only to the very few after the resurrection. Presence and Word of God was acknowledged and documented by the believer like Moses, but not always acknowledged by the crowed.

again no one is going to say when they are in heaven the only reason they were there is because they choose to be there. you didn't chose to be born into the world and you didn't chose to be born into the kingdom of Heaven. its by will of Spirit you don't have until you are born of it.

the choice of apples and oranges are not the case with born of Spirit. and scripture shows God choses not man, and if God says chose Life they that is His choice for you, just as Jesus is His choice for you.

It is the will of God that whoever sees and believes should not perish
It was Jesus will that Israel repented. so he could take them as a mother hen. but they were unwilling
It is Gods will that non should perish. but that all should come to life

While NO ONE can come to Christ unless God shows them the way through their positive seeking as he draws them. One must remember, Many are called. But few are chosen.

apart from free will there is no relationship. God wanted a relationship with his creation. He wanted to serve them. It was man who chose to rebel. against Gods will. and then it was Gods free will which caused the cross and the ability to be restored.

Just as man rebelled. He must also repent. God will not force his salvation anyone. nor will he keep it from anyone. If man rejects in unbelief its their fault not Gods Yet Gods love is vindicated for all eternally. Because he offered them salvation also.

 

[DPMartin]

It is the will of God that whoever sees and believes should not perish
It was Jesus will that Israel repented. so he could take them as a mother hen. but they were unwilling
It is Gods will that non should perish. but that all should come to life

While NO ONE can come to Christ unless God shows them the way through their positive seeking as he draws them. One must remember, Many are called. But few are chosen.

apart from free will there is no relationship. God wanted a relationship with his creation. He wanted to serve them. It was man who chose to rebel. against Gods will. and then it was Gods free will which caused the cross and the ability to be restored.

Just as man rebelled. He must also repent. God will not force his salvation anyone. nor will he keep it from anyone. If man rejects in unbelief its their fault not Gods Yet Gods love is vindicated for all eternally. Because he offered them salvation also.

sorry you guys are jamming what goes back to a Greek philosophy into the Lord God of Israel's relationship, with whomever. a world view and line of thinking.

its about trust and belief in what one comes to know, and no one knows unless God makes them know. faithful is what a person is, and its really not by choice.

when the U.S. draft was taking men to Vietnam the faithful responded because they were faithful and they were faithful before the call in the first place. and the draft dodgers were not faithful. the call is simply to find the faithful which are the chosen. if you are faithful you don't have a choice, and if you are not you don't have anything that wasn't chosen for you already.

this garbage that you chose God is ridiculous by a Creator and Judge's standards. evil doesn't create its self nor does man nor man's views. the faithful are found in a unfaithful place. hence a place of condemnation, and you didn't chose that place you were born into, that place was chosen for you. and God calls in that place of condemnation and finds the faithful (the good ground) and choses them.

and again, since the born again are born by the will of the spirit, then its not your will, therefore its not your choice because you didn't have the spirit to have the will in.

you don't make the decision of whether the Lord God Almighty is your Creator and Judge or not. you are either faithful or not, in His view.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

sorry you guys are jamming what goes back to a Greek philosophy into the Lord God of Israel's relationship, with whomever. a world view and line of thinking.

its about trust and belief in what one comes to know, and no one knows unless God makes them know. faithful is what a person is, and its really not by choice.

when the U.S. draft was taking men to Vietnam the faithful responded because they were faithful and they were faithful before the call in the first place. and the draft dodgers were not faithful. the call is simply to find the faithful which are the chosen. if you are faithful you don't have a choice, and if you are not you don't have anything that wasn't chosen for you already.

this garbage that you chose God is ridiculous by a Creator and Judge's standards. evil doesn't create its self nor does man nor man's views. the faithful are found in a unfaithful place. hence a place of condemnation, and you didn't chose that place you were born into, that place was chosen for you. and God calls in that place of condemnation and finds the faithful (the good ground) and choses them.

and again, since the born again are born by the will of the spirit, then its not your will, therefore its not your choice because you didn't have the spirit to have the will in.

you don't make the decision of whether the Lord God Almighty is your Creator and Judge or not. you are either faithful or not, in His view.

This is just puffing yourself up. Claiming you are so special God chose you will the poor guy next to you was so I special god did Not even give him a chance to repent

god wants a relationship. You preach god as the puppet master

I will Take the Abba father thank you

 

[DPMartin]

The invasion of the Puppet Master god!
A mind control religion that believes their minds are controlled….irony or hilarity! When you put Calvinism in motion, it is horrid! As a movie it would be one scariest sci-fi horror flicks made. In stead of The Invasion of the Body Snatchers, it would be Invasion of the Mind Snatcher The details of this are generally hidden from the congregation of their own churches. They know, that if people really knew what Calvinism or Predestinationists believe, they would not want to have anything to do with this religion.

It makes people wonder what kind of heart they have? Just like the abortion doctor that gets up in the morning, cleans up, has breakfast and goes to work each day to murder a few babies. What kind of heart could do that? But Calvinism is a million times worse than that, because when you put it in motion, they describe and worship a god that does that to millions of men, women, and children. Damning them to hell by no fault of their own, no hope, no mercy, no escape! What kind of heart could bend a knee to that god? What kind of people think this is good? Is it all about feeling special? The elect, is that worth it? To believe this is right is hideous! Look in history, those that thought they were the elect were the worst of people. And it is not just the Catholics or the Nazis! Thinking that they are above somebody, warps their mind.

If Satan had a Bible in his lap, what scriptures would he quote? Condemnation, judgment, and negativity. If Satan had a Bible in his lap, what Christian denomination would he form? Schemer that he is, he would search the scriptures for scriptures that he could use against God… God is a puppet master that enslaves all humanity! Damns them to Hell before they born!

He would push judgment before creation and predestine the innocent to hell, while laughing at those that were not damned because no good they did was of their own merit, but rather forced by him. In this creation of Satan, no good would matter. Faith, love, compassion, prayer, Grace, forgiveness, kindness, church attendance and good deeds would not matter or show character or true faith because they are all puppets on strings, dummies of the satanic puppet master.

From the outside it seems this religion replaces God with Satan, but of course that is not true. Satan took the position of god in this religion. No heresy can come close to equaling this. It slanders God in the worst way! Portraying him with the character of Satan!

this is not about Calvinism though you most definitely want it to be, by this posting's wording.

 

[DPMartin]

This is just puffing yourself up. Claiming you are so special God chose you will the poor guy next to you was so I special god did Not even give him a chance to repent

god wants a relationship. You preach god as the puppet master

I will Take the Abba father thank you

no, no one is special, but what God does is. the weights on the scale are God's, and of God, and the acceptable amount being weighed is God's and of God. in the Kingdom of God, its of God, or its not in the Kingdom of God.

nothing is of yourself that isn't made by the Creator and Judge.


Rom 9:20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
Rom 9:21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
Rom 9:22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
Rom 9:23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
Rom 9:24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?


the sons of man have received the life in the flesh, and very few take themselves out of it. they may be taught they are entitled something or another they don't have but a child using the space between parked cars on the street in some S. American country for a toilet doesn't see what he is entitled or that he is entitled anything, does he? he received the life of a son of man.

 

[DPMartin]

It is the will of God that whoever sees and believes should not perish
It was Jesus will that Israel repented. so he could take them as a mother hen. but they were unwilling
It is Gods will that non should perish. but that all should come to life

While NO ONE can come to Christ unless God shows them the way through their positive seeking as he draws them. One must remember, Many are called. But few are chosen.

apart from free will there is no relationship. God wanted a relationship with his creation. He wanted to serve them. It was man who chose to rebel. against Gods will. and then it was Gods free will which caused the cross and the ability to be restored.

Just as man rebelled. He must also repent. God will not force his salvation anyone. nor will he keep it from anyone. If man rejects in unbelief its their fault not Gods Yet Gods love is vindicated for all eternally. Because he offered them salvation also.

also, its the documentation of the Jews in their relationship with the Creator and Judge that is to be relied on, not later commentary.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

no, no one is special, but what God does is. the weights on the scale are God's, and of God, and the acceptable amount being weighed is God's and of God. in the Kingdom of God, its of God, or its not in the Kingdom of God.

nothing is of yourself that isn't made by the Creator and Judge.


Rom 9:20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
Rom 9:21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
Rom 9:22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
Rom 9:23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
Rom 9:24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?


the sons of man have received the life in the flesh, and very few take themselves out of it. they may be taught they are entitled something or another they don't have but a child using the space between parked cars on the street in some S. American country for a toilet doesn't see what he is entitled or that he is entitled anything, does he? he received the life of a son of man.

If god chose you and did not chose your neighbor (he allowed you to see and prevented your neighbor). Then by definition you are more special than your neighbor

 

[Eternally Grateful]

also, its the documentation of the Jews in their relationship with the Creator and Judge that is to be relied on, not later commentary.

I am not Sure what your trying to say here forgive me

 

[DPMartin]

I am not Sure what your trying to say here forgive me

sorry posted to the wrong posting here, disregard that last transmission.

 

[DPMartin]

If god chose you and did not chose your neighbor (he allowed you to see and prevented your neighbor). Then by definition you are more special than your neighbor

who says that, you?
the reason for the message is to find the faithful, hence not keeping it to yourself. where are you going here? trying to find something to accuse? is "the Christian" supposed to be like you, in your own image and likeness according to you?


besides the faithful are known for their faithfulness in most cases the walk tells the story, words are empty without the walk.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

who says that, you?
the reason for the message is to find the faithful, hence not keeping it to yourself. where are you going here? trying to find something to accuse? is "the Christian" supposed to be like you, in your own image and likeness according to you?

Who says that?

Well if any human did what you claim God did. You would state that very thing.

So should we treat God any different just because he is God? Is God a respector of persons? If he choses some and says they WILL be saved no matter what. and choses others and stated I will not allow them even the opportunity to be saved.

Well then Yeah

1. God is not a god of Love
2. God is a respector of persons