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Jude 1:8-9, "Yet in the same way these dreamers also defile the flesh, reject authority, and slander the glorious ones. But when the archangel Michael disputed with the devil and argued about the body of Moses, he did not dare to bring a condemnation of slander against him but said, “The Lord rebuke you!

Michael would not rebuke the devil
, but you , in your self-righteous legalism, rebuke Christians and churches.
 

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Jude 1 NIV

Jude
New International Version

1 Jude, a servant of Jesus Christ and a brother of James,
To those who have been called, who are loved in God the Father and kept for[a] Jesus Christ:
2 Mercy, peace and love be yours in abundance.

The Sin and Doom of Ungodly People​

3 Dear friends, although I was very eager to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt compelled to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to God’s holy people. 4 For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about[b] long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.
5 Though you already know all this, I want to remind you that the Lord[c] at one time delivered his people out of Egypt, but later destroyed those who did not believe. 6 And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their proper dwelling—these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day. 7 In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.
8 In the very same way, on the strength of their dreams these ungodly people pollute their own bodies, reject authority and heap abuse on celestial beings. 9 But even the archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the devil about the body of Moses, did not himself dare to condemn him for slander but said, “The Lord rebuke you!”[d] 10 Yet these people slander whatever they do not understand, and the very things they do understand by instinct—as irrational animals do—will destroy them.
11 Woe to them! They have taken the way of Cain; they have rushed for profit into Balaam’s error; they have been destroyed in Korah’s rebellion.
12 These people are blemishes at your love feasts, eating with you without the slightest qualm—shepherds who feed only themselves. They are clouds without rain, blown along by the wind; autumn trees, without fruit and uprooted—twice dead. 13 They are wild waves of the sea, foaming up their shame; wandering stars, for whom blackest darkness has been reserved forever.
14 Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about them: “See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones 15 to judge everyone, and to convict all of them of all the ungodly acts they have committed in their ungodliness, and of all the defiant words ungodly sinners have spoken against him.”[e] 16 These people are grumblers and faultfinders; they follow their own evil desires; they boast about themselves and flatter others for their own advantage.

A Call to Persevere​

17 But, dear friends, remember what the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ foretold. 18 They said to you, “In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires.” 19 These are the people who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the Spirit.
20 But you, dear friends, by building yourselves up in your most holy faith and praying in the Holy Spirit, 21 keep yourselves in God’s love as you wait for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to bring you to eternal life.
22 Be merciful to those who doubt; 23 save others by snatching them from the fire; to others show mercy, mixed with fear—hating even the clothing stained by corrupted flesh.[f]

Doxology​

24 To him who is able to keep you from stumbling and to present you before his glorious presence without fault and with great joy— 25 to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen.

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I think when someone defends in Jesus name what he, God, called sin and abomination that the full Jude chapter is warranted so to afford rebuke against that unbeliever. As a means of reminding the church not to be unaware when darkness creeps in.
See below.
The bible list over 90 abominations including wearing poly cotton blend shirts, burning incense, having a Christmas tree, wearing a gold wedding ring, snacking on four legged insects (I know there aren’t any 4 legged insects but if there were it would be an abomination. ) and worst of all thinking that you are a more worthy Christian in God's eye then someone else is an abominaton.
 
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It's really sad that you don't know the difference between disagreeing with you personally and "putting everyone right". I'm thankful that your immature one-liners are not the thoughts of everyone. They're just the opposite in fact.
Hallo Jim. Hope you are having a good day trying to escape reality.
 

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Hallo Jim. Hope you are having a nice day putting everyone down.
I think you might want to realize he is a juvenile unbeliever here. One who very much enjoys calling Christians names, arguing in favor of sin, particularly that of homosexuality and Trans dysfunction.
I suspect they have many aliases here because others use their same arguments and personal attack modes.
Likely they are homosexual and are upset.
Paying evil attention only encourages evil.

They're obviously having a good time.
 
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I think you might want to realize he is a juvenile unbeliever here. One who very much enjoys calling Christians names, arguing in favor of sin, particularly that of homosexuality and Trans dysfunction.
I suspect they have many aliases here because others use their same arguments and personal attack modes.
Likely they are homosexual and are upset.
Paying evil attention only encourages evil.

They're obviously having a good time.
Would anyone put pictures up in the church of naked children to let pedophiles feel welcome .
Would anyone put up pictures of murdered folks to make a murderer feel welcome .
Exactly .
YET when it comes to certain sins they give a pass and just do everything to make them feel welcome .
SEE the problem .
You cant pander to sin to win converts . SIMPLY PREACH TRUTH and who ever recieves it , AMEN .
IF i told the church i was a pedophile and not to judge me , cause GOD made me that way
Would they honor me by allowing me to sit with their kids .
Exactly .
ITS not a sin for the church to preach against ALL SINS . How often did paul write
saying those who do such things WILL NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM . DONT be decieved church
its because of these things that the wrath of GOD cometh upon them , SO DONT be partakers with them .
But today that is hate speech and seen as ungodly , unloving . Your labeled a monster
for warning out against CERTAIN sins anyway .
I mean i suppose i could still get away with reminding the church you shall not kill ,
OH WAIT , UNLESS ITS ABORTION . oops i forgot about that .
SEE the problem yet . IF anyone dares to remind the church to NOT do certain sins , ITS CALLED BEING JUDGMENTAL
a hater , and as jim once called me , A worker of the devil . Exactly .
Ever wonder why THE LEAVEN has filled so many places up . cause they wont correct the error and in time
everyone just begins to accept it as normal and good .
 

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Would anyone put pictures up in the church of naked children to let pedophiles feel welcome .
Would anyone put up pictures of murdered folks to make a murderer feel welcome .
Exactly .
YET when it comes to certain sins they give a pass and just do everything to make them feel welcome .
SEE the problem .
You cant pander to sin to win converts . SIMPLY PREACH TRUTH and who ever recieves it , AMEN .
IF i told the church i was a pedophile and not to judge me , cause GOD made me that way
Would they honor me by allowing me to sit with their kids .
Exactly .
ITS not a sin for the church to preach against ALL SINS . How often did paul write
saying those who do such things WILL NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM . DONT be decieved church
its because of these things that the wrath of GOD cometh upon them , SO DONT be partakers with them .
But today that is hate speech and seen as ungodly , unloving . Your labeled a monster
for warning out against CERTAIN sins anyway .
I mean i suppose i could still get away with reminding the church you shall not kill ,
OH WAIT , UNLESS ITS ABORTION . oops i forgot about that .
SEE the problem yet . IF anyone dares to remind the church to NOT do certain sins , ITS CALLED BEING JUDGMENTAL
a hater , and as jim once called me , A worker of the devil . Exactly .
Ever wonder why THE LEAVEN has filled so many places up . cause they wont correct the error and in time
everyone just begins to accept it as normal and good .
Any church worthy of being taken seriously should welcome all who come to it.

Do you think that soemone should stand at the entry and ask each person if they are sinless? Jesus said (Matthew 11:28), “Come to me, ALL you who are weary and are carrying heavy burdens, and I will give you rest." God is the ultimate judge, and if one person is turned away because they judged to be "a sinner", that accuser should be thrown out -- permanently!

And you are not the person who should condemn "hate speech", because tht is all that you do! Jesus said to love your neighbor, but you do just the opposite time after time after time.
 
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Any church worthy of being taken seriously should welcome all who come to it.

Do you think that soemone should stand at the entry and ask each person if they are sinless? Jesus said (Matthew 11:28), “Come to me, ALL you who are weary and are carrying heavy burdens, and I will give you rest." God is the ultimate judge, and if one person is turned away because they judged to be "a sinner", that accuser should be thrown out -- permanently!

And you are not the person who should condemn "hate speech", because tht is all that you do! Jesus said to love your neighbor, but you do just the opposite time after time after time.
Welcome YES , but they would teach TRUTH to all who enter in as well .
WE dont just sit and hug folks to damanation . We would expose all sin , we would point to Christ
and we correct error within those chambers . SEE
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Welcome YES , but they would teach TRUTH to all who enter in as well .
WE dont just sit and hug folks to damanation . We would expose all sin , we would point to Christ
and we correct error within those chambers . SEE
LEARN
DO .
You're changing the subject! Hmm, I wonder why!
 

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You're changing the subject! Hmm, I wonder why!
I didnt change the subject jim . You said the church is to WELCOME all . That i agreed with .
BUT then we must actually preach sound doctrine , not just parts of it , but ALL OF IT .
And we must correct sin and error within the church .
 
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I didnt change the subject jim . You said the church is to WELCOME all . That i agreed with .
BUT then we must actually preach sound doctrine , not just parts of it , but ALL OF IT .
And we must correct sin and error within the church .
Are you joking? You constantly post that churches should not welcome anyone whom you considers to be unrighteous. You even go so far as to criticize those within the church for the "sin" of loving others.
 

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Are you joking? You constantly post that churches should not welcome anyone whom you considers to be unrighteous. You even go so far as to criticize those within the church for the "sin" of loving others.
Thats a lie jim . I never said that . I said all are welcome to come to church
but that the church needs to correct sin and error .
Thats the problem with the social gospel and this seeker friendly junk .
Sure it welcomes all , BUT IT WONT correct SIN . Rather it says JUDGE NOT , JUDGE NOT , JUDGE NOT .
them pastors are cowards at best just fleecing the flocks for numbers and money .
And most of them are flat out wolves . I would allow any one into any church .
But i would then teach all sound doctrine , ALL REMINDERS in those letters
and that includes ALL reminders . exposing what is sin and what is good .
I sure would . Its not a sin for the church leaders to remind their flocks
about sins and not to be a partaker of said sins . BUT TODAY IT IS
SEE that has been my problem all along jim .
NOT the part that allows anyone into a church , but the part that wont teach sound doctrine
that wont stir up and remind its peoples about not sinning and that includes even the PC SINS too .
Its not a sin to stand up in church and remind the congregation you shall not murder
but that you should be doing good
That you should not hate your neighbor
OR that you should not pratice homosexuality . OH BUT WAIT , TO THIS AGE that IS A SIN to do such a thing ..
THAT is my problem jim . I aint saying we should not let folks in I am saying that none are correcting
none are teaching the peoples ALL sound doctrine .
At most they preach only parts . THE PARTS that DONT or WONT OFFEND ANYONE JIM .
THAT is a problem too . Paul wasnt a hater for writing such reminders
and he even said to read his letters BEFORE ALL .
SO , let anyone in , i agree with that , BUT MAKE SURE all biblical doctrine is taught
make sure the church gets the correction and edifcation it needs .
 

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Any church worthy of being taken seriously should welcome all who come to it.

Do you think that soemone should stand at the entry and ask each person if they are sinless? Jesus said (Matthew 11:28), “Come to me, ALL you who are weary and are carrying heavy burdens, and I will give you rest." God is the ultimate judge, and if one person is turned away because they judged to be "a sinner", that accuser should be thrown out -- permanently!

And you are not the person who should condemn "hate speech", because tht is all that you do! Jesus said to love your neighbor, but you do just the opposite time after time after time.
Hallo Jim. Having a good day being self righteous?
 
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Thats a lie jim . I never said that . I said all are welcome to come to church
but that the church needs to correct sin and error .
Thats the problem with the social gospel and this seeker friendly junk .
Sure it welcomes all , BUT IT WONT correct SIN . Rather it says JUDGE NOT , JUDGE NOT , JUDGE NOT .
them pastors are cowards at best just fleecing the flocks for numbers and money .
And most of them are flat out wolves . I would allow any one into any church .
But i would then teach all sound doctrine , ALL REMINDERS in those letters
and that includes ALL reminders . exposing what is sin and what is good .
I sure would . Its not a sin for the church leaders to remind their flocks
about sins and not to be a partaker of said sins . BUT TODAY IT IS
SEE that has been my problem all along jim .
NOT the part that allows anyone into a church , but the part that wont teach sound doctrine
that wont stir up and remind its peoples about not sinning and that includes even the PC SINS too .
Its not a sin to stand up in church and remind the congregation you shall not murder
but that you should be doing good
That you should not hate your neighbor
OR that you should not pratice homosexuality . OH BUT WAIT , TO THIS AGE that IS A SIN to do such a thing ..
THAT is my problem jim . I aint saying we should not let folks in I am saying that none are correcting
none are teaching the peoples ALL sound doctrine .
At most they preach only parts . THE PARTS that DONT or WONT OFFEND ANYONE JIM .
THAT is a problem too . Paul wasnt a hater for writing such reminders
and he even said to read his letters BEFORE ALL .
SO , let anyone in , i agree with that , BUT MAKE SURE all biblical doctrine is taught
make sure the church gets the correction and edifcation it needs .
This is total nonsense!

You constantly rail against LGBTQs and churches that welcome them. You write IN ALL CAPS "JUDGE NOT", yet that is all that you do. Your next two sentences area perfect example: "them pastors [sic] are cowards at best just fleecing the flocks for numbers and money. And most of them are flat out wolves"

Do you think that anyone would ever return to a church that claims to welcome them, then butchers them with extreme criticism? They would leave as fast as possible and spread the word that "Christians" are filled with hatred and judgement.

The whole thing reminds me of a leg trap. The trap is baited with something that seems desirable, but when it is approached -- WHAM! -- the trusting animal (or person) is caught and suffers because they trusted.

You are filled with hatred and judgement, but you are too blind to see it. Have you ever seriously thought about loving your neighbor?
 

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Would anyone put pictures up in the church of naked children to let pedophiles feel welcome .
Would anyone put up pictures of murdered folks to make a murderer feel welcome .
Exactly .
YET when it comes to certain sins they give a pass and just do everything to make them feel welcome .
SEE the problem .
You cant pander to sin to win converts . SIMPLY PREACH TRUTH and who ever recieves it , AMEN .
IF i told the church i was a pedophile and not to judge me , cause GOD made me that way
Would they honor me by allowing me to sit with their kids .
Exactly .
ITS not a sin for the church to preach against ALL SINS . How often did paul write
saying those who do such things WILL NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM . DONT be decieved church
its because of these things that the wrath of GOD cometh upon them , SO DONT be partakers with them .
But today that is hate speech and seen as ungodly , unloving . Your labeled a monster
for warning out against CERTAIN sins anyway .
I mean i suppose i could still get away with reminding the church you shall not kill ,
OH WAIT , UNLESS ITS ABORTION . oops i forgot about that .
SEE the problem yet . IF anyone dares to remind the church to NOT do certain sins , ITS CALLED BEING JUDGMENTAL
a hater , and as jim once called me , A worker of the devil . Exactly .
Ever wonder why THE LEAVEN has filled so many places up . cause they wont correct the error and in time
everyone just begins to accept it as normal and good .
Beware those who call evil good and good evil.
 
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Would anyone put pictures up in the church of naked children to let pedophiles feel welcome .
Would anyone put up pictures of murdered folks to make a murderer feel welcome .
Exactly .
YET when it comes to certain sins they give a pass and just do everything to make them feel welcome .
SEE the problem .
You cant pander to sin to win converts . SIMPLY PREACH TRUTH and who ever recieves it , AMEN .
IF i told the church i was a pedophile and not to judge me , cause GOD made me that way
Would they honor me by allowing me to sit with their kids .
Exactly .
ITS not a sin for the church to preach against ALL SINS . How often did paul write
saying those who do such things WILL NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM . DONT be decieved church
its because of these things that the wrath of GOD cometh upon them , SO DONT be partakers with them .
But today that is hate speech and seen as ungodly , unloving . Your labeled a monster
for warning out against CERTAIN sins anyway .
I mean i suppose i could still get away with reminding the church you shall not kill ,
OH WAIT , UNLESS ITS ABORTION . oops i forgot about that .
SEE the problem yet . IF anyone dares to remind the church to NOT do certain sins , ITS CALLED BEING JUDGMENTAL
a hater , and as jim once called me , A worker of the devil . Exactly .
Ever wonder why THE LEAVEN has filled so many places up . cause they wont correct the error and in time
everyone just begins to accept it as normal and good .
Do you think churches should turn away the obese? Of course those fat people would be welcomed back once they repent of their gluttony and loose weight.
 
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Any church worthy of being taken seriously should welcome all who come to it.

Do you think that soemone should stand at the entry and ask each person if they are sinless? Jesus said (Matthew 11:28), “Come to me, ALL you who are weary and are carrying heavy burdens, and I will give you rest." God is the ultimate judge, and if one person is turned away because they judged to be "a sinner", that accuser should be thrown out -- permanently!

And you are not the person who should condemn "hate speech", because tht is all that you do! Jesus said to love your neighbor, but you do just the opposite time after time after time.
Hallo Jim. Having a wonderful day letting everyone know how superior you are.