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Philip James

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I know enough to know that catholics aren't Christians.

Then clearly you know nothing at all. Catholics are the original 'Christians'.

They have their own private religion based on works that did not come from the bible.

umm no, it is not based on works.. that lie and others that you mentioned demonstrate you know nothing of the Catholic faith..

Here would be a good place to start : Catechism of the Catholic Church

But you are correct that it is not 'based on the bible'. It is rather, based upon what we received from Jesus through His apostles.. and was being practiced by the whole Church everywhere before one letter of the NT was written..


You too! Are welcome to come to the wedding Feast of the Lamb of God!


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Does God approve religious institutes or any denomination?
Not since Jesus said this,
John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Matthew 18:19-20
Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven. For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

Hebrews 10:24-25
and let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works: not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

Our togetherness should be in his name only, for the consideration of encouragement and the provoking of love to be about the Son's commission and exhorting one another to remain steadfast in his word by faith & love !
 

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Are we to assume, perhaps, that "couples in an irregular situation" is a broader term that only partially and coincidentally includes same-sex couples?

Hello Barney,

In fact it is. It would include all couples not sacramentally married.. a few examples 'common-law spouses' , couples who are divorced and remarried while their original spouse still lives, homosexual 'unions'... anything that is not a proper marriage as the Church defines it.

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Hello Barney,

In fact it is. It would include all couples not sacramentally married.. a few examples 'common-law spouses' , couples who are divorced and remarried while their original spouse still lives, homosexual 'unions'... anything that is not a proper marriage as the Church defines it.

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Hiya Phil,

I'm afraid I sometimes fail to make clear the points of some of my remarks.

I have no doubt that the situations you mention are included. But the main point of the letter from the bishops to the Pope that precipitated the new document with regard to blessings was that of same-sex couples.

I think it might be a bit shortsighted to assume that the LGBT movement wasn't the glue that held the entire affair together.

It's understandable that devout Catholics would bristle at the idea of the church being manipulated thus but, let's face it, they've succeeded in duping the US government along with many private sector industries.

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Hiya Phil,

I'm afraid I sometimes fail to make clear the points of some of my remarks.

I have no doubt that the situations you mention are included. But the main point of the letter from the bishops to the Pope that precipitated the new document with regard to blessings was that of same-sex couples.

I think it might be a bit shortsighted to assume that the LGBT movement wasn't the glue that held the entire affair together.

It's understandable that devout Catholics would bristle at the idea of the church being manipulated thus but, let's face it, they've succeeded in duping the US government along with many private sector industries.

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It's understandable that devout Catholics would bristle at the idea of the church being manipulated thus but, let's face it, they've succeeded in duping the US government along with many private sector industries.

Hello Barney,

No doubt many are trying to manipu;ate the Catholoic Church just as they have manipulated many other governments and ecclesial communities..

But n the case of the Catholic Church, they will fail.

For sure thee will be some priests and prob even some bishops who will ignore the teaching of the Church and engage in all kinds of abominations.. (there is nothing new under the sun).. as others here have pointed out, schism by those bishops influenced by the world to bow to its 'values' is a likely outcome..

but the Churchs' doctrine on marriage cannot be changed..

Eventually as the world realises this, its hatred of the Church will become more and more open and severe persecutions and theft of Church property will surely follow..

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Hello Barney,

No doubt many are trying to manipu;ate the Catholoic Church just as they have manipulated many other governments and ecclesial communities..

But n the case of the Catholic Church, they will fail.
Even if they nuke the Vatican, they will still fail. We have God's promises: He would never leave us; the Church is indestructible. One believes the Bible or they don't. Paul never mentions total corruption of the Church, it's a new doctrine invented by anti-Catholics. "...the gates of hell shall not prevail..." is a warning the gates of hell will attack. The war of mainstream media against the Church is in high gear, poisoning the public mind. I think there will be an exodus out of the gay communities with many converts choosing to remain chaste and live a holy life. Who are the ones screaming the loudest it can't be done???
For sure thee will be some priests and prob even some bishops who will ignore the teaching of the Church and engage in all kinds of abominations.. (there is nothing new under the sun).. as others here have pointed out, schism by those bishops influenced by the world to bow to its 'values' is a likely outcome..

but the Churchs' doctrine on marriage cannot be changed..

Eventually as the world realises this, its hatred of the Church will become more and more open and severe persecutions and theft of Church property will surely follow..
Over the past few years, beginning with the urban riots that took place in 2020, there was a rash of anti-Catholic crimes across the nation. Monuments were destroyed, iconic statues were bludgeoned, gravesites were desecrated, Masses were interrupted, graffiti was spray-painted on church walls, windows were smashed, churches were torched, schools were vandalized, chalices were stolen, etc.
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Then clearly you know nothing at all. Catholics are the original 'Christians'.
No. The first Christians were converted Jews. Those were then Apostate in the eyes of the Pharisees and Sadducees of the time. As such they were deemed worthy of death.

Which is why Saul sought them out and why Stephen was stoned to death as Saul(aka Paul) held his cloak.
umm no, it is not based on works.. that lie and others that you mentioned demonstrate you know nothing of the Catholic faith..

Here would be a good place to start : Catechism of the Catholic Church

But you are correct that it is not 'based on the bible'. It is rather, based upon what we received from Jesus through His apostles.. and was being practiced by the whole Church everywhere before one letter of the NT was written..


You too! Are welcome to come to the wedding Feast of the Lamb of God!


Merry Christmas!
Catholics are Catholics,not Christian. Because in the church view faith alone is a cursed doctrine.
They don't accept faith alone saves.
 

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It's listed in four books called the Gospels....
And where 3 of the 4 writers were Jewish from the Ancient Near East they are easily understood by some careful study of the texts using a blend of art and sciences (AKA hermeneutics) to decipher the writings.
Where does Scripture give the criteria that one has to meet for a personal relationship with God? What are the rules? How do I know WHAT I need to do to have a personal relationship with God?
 

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Does God approve religious institutes or any denomination?
Not since Jesus said this,
Yes LAMB, Jesus instituted The Church, so he does approve of a (singular) religious institute. Since The Church is the pillar and foundation of truth, there can only be one Church; not multiple denominations with multiple truths.

With that said your belief that God does NOT approve of a 'religious institute' is wrong. But your belief that God does not approve of denominations is correct.
 

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No. The first Christians were converted Jews.

Hello Gabriel,

True, and they were all part of the ONE Church established by Christ through His apostles..

If you're not eating from the One Loaf and drinking from the One Cup that Jesus gave to the apostles, where are you?

This cup is the new covenant in My Blood

Catholics are Catholics,not Christian.

That is a ridiculous statement.

Because in the church view faith alone is a cursed doctrine.
They don't accept faith alone saves.

Neither did the apostles..

For just as a body without a spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead.


if I have all faith so as to move mountains but do not have love, I am nothing.



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Many of us see it for what it is--- evidence of moral decay within the church.

We recognize it, because we've seen it many times before. A good example of this, we've all witnessed with various educational institutions. Almost all of them were originally founded on solid Christian principles. Harvard, named after a Christian minister, and Yale -founded by a clergyman, were Puritan. Princeton was Prebyterian. It's Latin motto still proclaims- “Dei sub numine viget,” -Under God, she flourishes. At that's only going back two, or three hundred years, where it was churches who started religious schools for theological study.

Looking beyond our own borders- schools like Cambridge is some 500 years older, and was also established by Christian leaders. St Andrew's- Scotland's oldest university, began as a theological seminary. But these places are no longer recognizable. The drift away from the principles and values they were founded upon began first as an effort to stop being so exclusionary, then- to become more inclusive, then to become less discriminating, then to be more accepting--- ultimately, the end result is, they've all become much "less" than they once were. None of them are better. "Progressive" has made them progressively worse.

Similarly, Catholic Universities have followed an identical path, albeit at a slower pace in some instances, but a closer analogy might be that while the afore-mentioned schools have trod down a slippery slope, Catholic schools have jumped right off a cliff. Schools once established by Dominican Friars, like Providence, or by Jesuit Priests, like Georgetown-- are no longer distinct or different than secular institutions. They've adopted the same soup-of-the-day curriculum as those secular counterparts, hosting departments of gender studies, black studies, ethnic studies, and gay and lesbian studies, social justice, equity and even-- if you can believe it-- something called Reproductive Justice, which is semantics for abortion. You might remember Sandra Fluke, the Georgetown law student who became a celebrity in promoting Obama's Affordable Care Act and it's contraceptive mandate, was president of Georgetown’s chapter of Law Students for Reproductive Justice. This is a Catholic institution, training future attorneys. With friends like that, who needs enemies?

So no. Sorry Mr Pope. I'm not going to let you play theological twister and allow semantic differences to dictate the meaning you wish to impose. I'll call BS when I see BS. I've seen this movie before.
 
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Hello Gabriel,

True, and they were all part of the ONE Church established by Christ through His apostles..

If you're not eating from the One Loaf and drinking from the One Cup that Jesus gave to the apostles, where are you?

This cup is the new covenant in My Blood
Are you familiar with the Jewish Bible Does the Messiah there come to save he gentiles from their sins? Or the Jews?
That is a ridiculous statement.
Oh? You're not familiar with the anathema decree upon the 5 Solas.

One must have faith first before they can be led by Holy Spirit into his plan if good works?
Neither did the apostles..

For just as a body without a spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead.


if I have all faith so as to move mountains but do not have love, I am nothing.



Merry Christmas!
The Apostles did not believe good work saves.

Merry Christmas.
 

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Hello Gabriel,

Are you familiar with the Jewish Bible Does the Messiah there come to save he gentiles from their sins? Or the Jews?

It is too little, he says, for you to be my servant, to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and restore the survivors of Israel; I will make you a light to the nations, that my salvation may reach to the ends of the earth.

Oh? You're not familiar with the anathema decree upon the 5 Solas.

One must have faith first before they can be led by Holy Spirit into his plan if good works?

What has this to do with your ridiculous assertion that Catholics aren't Christian? There is not one faithful Catholic who does not have faith in Jesus..

The Apostles did not believe good work saves.

??

James:

See how a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.

Paul:

If I speak in human and angelic tongues but do not have love, I am a resounding gong or a clashing cymbal.

And if I have the gift of prophecy and comprehend all mysteries and all knowledge; if I have all faith so as to move mountains but do not have love, I am nothing.

If I give away everything I own, and if I hand my body over so that I may boast but do not have love, I gain nothing.



Peter:

Like obedient children, do not act in compliance with the desires of your former ignorance

but, as he who called you is holy, be holy yourselves in every aspect of your conduct,

for it is written, "Be holy because I (am) holy."


John:

If someone who has worldly means sees a brother in need and refuses him compassion, how can the love of God remain in him?

Children, let us love not in word or speech but in deed and truth.



Merry Christmas!
 

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Hello Gabriel,



It is too little, he says, for you to be my servant, to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and restore the survivors of Israel; I will make you a light to the nations, that my salvation may reach to the ends of the earth.
That doesn't answer the question.
What has this to do with your ridiculous assertion that Catholics aren't Christian? There is not one faithful Catholic who does not have faith in Jesus..
Do you believe faith alone saves?
??

James:

See how a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.

Paul:

If I speak in human and angelic tongues but do not have love, I am a resounding gong or a clashing cymbal.

And if I have the gift of prophecy and comprehend all mysteries and all knowledge; if I have all faith so as to move mountains but do not have love, I am nothing.

If I give away everything I own, and if I hand my body over so that I may boast but do not have love, I gain nothing.



Peter:

Like obedient children, do not act in compliance with the desires of your former ignorance

but, as he who called you is holy, be holy yourselves in every aspect of your conduct,

for it is written, "Be holy because I (am) holy."


John:

If someone who has worldly means sees a brother in need and refuses him compassion, how can the love of God remain in him?

Children, let us love not in word or speech but in deed and truth.



Merry Christmas!
"
Justification is a word used in the Scriptures to mean that in Christ we are forgiven and actually made righteous in our living. Justification is not a once-for-all, instantaneous pronouncement guaranteeing eternal salvation, regardless of how wickedly a person might live from that point on. Neither is it merely a legal declaration that an unrighteous person is righteous. Rather, justification is a living, dynamic, day-to-day reality for the one who follows Christ. The Christian actively pursues a righteous life in the grace and power of God granted to all who continue to believe in Him.
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That doesn't answer the question.
here is the question: "Does the Messiah there come to save he gentiles from their sins? Or the Jews?"

How does this:

It is too little, he says, for you to be my servant, to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and restore the survivors of Israel; I will make you a light to the nations, that my salvation may reach to the ends of the earth.

not answer it?

Do you believe faith alone saves?

No.

Merry Christmas!
 
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