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Jesus spoke with Moses and Elijah. Both of the them had "natural born Earthly Bodies."
Did Jesus sin?
Jesus IS Spirit and spoke to spirits. No Jesus did not Sin.
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Jesus spoke with Moses and Elijah. Both of the them had "natural born Earthly Bodies."
Did Jesus sin?
The rich man prayed to Abraham, who is not God. Get over it.He shows the rich man and Lazarus speaking within the same realm as it that gives tacit approval to those in this realm speaking to those in that realm.
The parable does not mention God or Jesus or Mary. You're obfuscating.And through it all . . . Jesus told His disciples that they wouldn't even ask HIM for things, but that they would address the Heavenly Father directly. If they weren't going to direct their prayers to Jesus, why would they direct their prayers to Mary? Or another Christian?
The abolishment of all human intercession is a man made tradition, sparked by 15th century politics. We pray directly to Jesus all the time.Would you insist, after the Master has told you to speak directly with Him, would you spit on that by insisting to speak to someone else, thinking they will be your emissary who will be received while you are not?
Your scenario is ridiculous, reflecting blindness to all explanations. It is because Jesus is the sole mediator He allows for subordinate mediators, a truth denied by so called reformers with man made traditions having a rather LATE start.How would you feel if your spouse insisted an calling the neighbor to pass along their messages to you? What kind of relationship is that?
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Apples . . . and . . . oranges.The rich man prayed to Abraham, who is not God. Get over it.
You are the one who believes you can pray to people who have died. I believe in praying to God as we have been instructed to do.Your scenario is ridiculous, reflecting blindness to all explanations.
When I pray to Jesus, I'm praying to God, at least, I believe Jesus to be God. If you believe Jesus to be a mere man, personally I think you've got a greater issue than whom to pray to.The abolishment of all human intercession is a man made tradition, sparked by 15th century politics. We pray directly to Jesus all the time.
He shows the rich man and Lazarus speaking within the same realm as it that gives tacit approval to those in this realm speaking to those in that realm.
And through it all . . . Jesus told His disciples that they wouldn't even ask HIM for things, but that they would address the Heavenly Father directly. If they weren't going to direct their prayers to Jesus, why would they direct their prayers to Mary? Or another Christian?
Would you insist, after the Master has told you to speak directly with Him, would you spit on that by insisting to speak to someone else, thinking they will be your emissary who will be received while you are not?
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How would you feel if your spouse insisted an calling the neighbor to pass along their messages to you? What kind of relationship is that?
I think I forgot about that. This is a Catholic teaching?And oops….why the LIE of teaching Mary’s body did not die.
We pray for each other all the time. But we don't pray to the dead. To humans who have died in this world, and are in the next realm. God forbids it, and I don't do it.
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No, it is not. And you won't investigate the matter so there is little point in explaining it to you.I think I forgot about that. This is a Catholic teaching?
You seem to have a difficult with personal responsibility. Why is it, do you suppose, that you have difficulty owning your own stuff?No, it is not. And you won't investigate the matter so there is little point in explaining it to you.
Thank you for your answer. Does everyone agree, Mary died just like all men die?No, it is not.
The Traditional source for the Church's OT is the SeptuagintThe Tanakh is not our Old Testament. And our Old Testament is not the Tanakh.
You are Catholic.Not Christian.
When asked , are you a Christian?
They answer, no, I'm a Catholic.
Actual Catholics know the difference.
Christians are saved by grace through faith. This is the gift of God. Not of our own doing,work,so that we cannot boast.
It's a ridiculous game of make-believe that catholics play.
I think I forgot about that. This is a Catholic teaching?
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Actually, it's the indwelling Holy Spirit Who gives us unity, not our association with this or that institution. If you suppose that membership in your institution is the same as whether the Spirit lives me or not, well, that's not the right way to understand what God is doing in man as He saves us. It's not about, "I'm of Paul", "I'm of Apollos", "I'm of this or that pope . . ."Liar.
We do not play 'make believe', we LIVE the Faith in union with 2000 years of our brethren who have gone before us.
You too, Mr. E, when you're ready to humble yourself and repent; are welcome to come to the wedding Feast of the Lamb of God!
Merry Christmas!
It never ceases to amaze me what people come up with when they go beyond Scripture, thinking themselves so wise.YET Catholic scholars have for eons debated and argued over WHERE Mary bodily died and was buried…and their pope by his authority claiming her BODY was risen up to Heaven, and there sits, being the “mother of God”, and “through” her is a man to PRAY TO HER for Forgiveness, Blessings and Salvation.
Then you must ignore Luke 16.BINGO!
Pray in the spirit ONLY “TO” the Lord God Almighty.
Pray in the spirit “FOR” the Living.
I'm sure the Hebrews think the same thing about the New Testament.It never ceases to amaze me what people come up with when they go beyond Scripture, thinking themselves so wise.
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Well, if they are not Christians, wouldn't they think it was a purely human invention?I'm sure the Hebrews think the same thing about the New Testament.
Why? Because we reject the unworkable man made tradition of sola scriptura? You demand proof text for every single authentic practice, (that the bible doesn't demand) and when we give you scripture, scripture, scripture, you run off with more misrepresentations, and false caricatures of Catholic teaching. Taken does the same thing.It never ceases to amaze me what people come up with when they go beyond Scripture, thinking themselves so wise.
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How exactly does the recorded conversation taking place within a given realm give permission to communcate between realms when this is forbidden?Then you must ignore Luke 16.
No, because you claim things against Scripture as if your church leaders are authorative over Scripture. For myself I've concluded that I should believe the plain sayings of the Bible regardless of what some men teach.Why? Because we reject the unworkable man made tradition of sola scriptura?