Bob Estey
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I think the purpose of the commandments is to discourage us from doing things that will cause trouble for us at a later time.
Gays in the Bible
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Ronald Nolette
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You are correrct. A homosexual who gets saved may never find heterosexuality as a desired sexual practice. That means they must live a celibate life.
It also means if they fall, they would fall in homosexual sin. If the practice 1 JOHN 1:9 WE MUST SURROUND AND BUILD THEM UP.
This would be teh same as an unmarried falling into sexual sin heterosexually. It is forgivable.
"without natural affection" does not have a thing to do with homosexuality,"
- "The phrase “without natural affection” comes from one Greek word (astorgos) that is found in only one other place in the Bible– Romans 1:31. It means exactly what it says, “unsociable”, “unloving”, “inhuman”. It is the absence of the kind of love for family that is instinctive."
It's clearly about having sex that is un natural !
The Jews are totally correct on this issue of such people as in regards to the Law and it must be dealt with as the God abiding Jews did.
If one has sex with an animal, such should be put to death.
Anal should be the same, death it's un natural and threatens the health of the Tribe. There is no excuse at all ! What if we did not have medical advancement ? not to mention Nature is catching up on our society and the day will come that such medical help will not save such as them. It's all ways was a death sentence regardless, only one was a slow horror of a death and the other was quick, one could repent and be finished off in a nice fitting way and as an example to all others that tempt God's Laws.
Taken
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Agree “without natural affection” does mean inability to interact with other humans on a natural level.
Also believe, it is “without natural affection”... when adults (male or female), are affectionate with children or with same gender adults .... with unnatural sexual intents.
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This phrase "without natural affection" is the translation of one Greek word, astergeo. It was a characteristic of many pagans of the ancient world. Significantly, it is also prophesied to be a characteristic of the humanistic pagans of the end-times.
"In the last days . . . men shall be . . . without natural affection" (2 Timothy 3:1-3). These are the only two occurrences of this word in the New Testament.
The word stergeo ("natural affection") is one of four Greek words for "love," but it is never used at all in the New Testament. It refers to the natural love that members of the same family have for each other.
It is such a common characteristic of all peoples that there was apparently no occasion to refer to it at all--except when it is not present, when people lose their instinctive love for their own parents and children, and thus are "without natural affection." One thinks of the widespread abortion of these last days, as well as the modern breakdown of the family in general."
Without Natural Affection
The shootings in Newtown, CT have shaken the nation. Let's take a closer look at what the Bible has to say about this tragedy.
2 Timothy 3
Easy-to-Read Version
Many People Will Stop Loving God
3 Remember this: There are some terrible times coming in the last days. 2 People will love only themselves and money. They will be proud and boast about themselves. They will abuse others with insults. They will not obey their parents. They will be ungrateful and against all that is pleasing to God. 3 They will have no love for others and will refuse to forgive anyone. They will talk about others to hurt them and will have no self-control. They will be cruel and hate what is good. 4 People will turn against their friends. They will do foolish things without thinking and will be so proud of themselves. Instead of loving God, they will love pleasure. 5 They will go on pretending to be devoted to God, but they will refuse to let that “devotion” change the way they live. Stay away from these people!
6 Some of them go into homes and get control over weak women, whose lives are full of sin—women who are led into sin by all the things they want. 7 These women always want to learn something new, but they are never able to fully understand the truth. 8 Just as Jannes and Jambres[a] fought against Moses, these people fight against the truth. Their thinking has been confused. The faith they have and teach is worthless. 9 But they will not succeed in what they are trying to do. Everyone will see how foolish they are. That is what happened to Jannes and Jambres.
Last Instructions
10 But you know all about me. You know what I teach and the way I live. You know my goal in life. You know my faith, my patience, and my love. You know that I never stop trying. 11 You know about my persecutions and my sufferings. You know all the things that happened to me in Antioch, Iconium, and Lystra—the persecution I suffered in those places. But the Lord saved me from all of it. 12 Everyone who wants to live showing true devotion to God in Christ Jesus will be persecuted. 13 People who are evil and cheat others will become worse and worse. They will fool others, but they will also be fooling themselves.
14 But you should continue following the teaching you learned. You know it is true, because you know you can trust those who taught you. 15 You have known the Holy Scriptures since you were a child. These Scriptures are able to make you wise. And that wisdom leads to salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. 16 All Scripture is given by God. And all Scripture is useful for teaching and for showing people what is wrong in their lives. It is useful for correcting faults and teaching the right way to live. 17 Using the Scriptures, those who serve God will be prepared and will have everything they need to do every good work.
Easy-to-Read Version
Many People Will Stop Loving God
3 Remember this: There are some terrible times coming in the last days. 2 People will love only themselves and money. They will be proud and boast about themselves. They will abuse others with insults. They will not obey their parents. They will be ungrateful and against all that is pleasing to God. 3 They will have no love for others and will refuse to forgive anyone. They will talk about others to hurt them and will have no self-control. They will be cruel and hate what is good. 4 People will turn against their friends. They will do foolish things without thinking and will be so proud of themselves. Instead of loving God, they will love pleasure. 5 They will go on pretending to be devoted to God, but they will refuse to let that “devotion” change the way they live. Stay away from these people!
6 Some of them go into homes and get control over weak women, whose lives are full of sin—women who are led into sin by all the things they want. 7 These women always want to learn something new, but they are never able to fully understand the truth. 8 Just as Jannes and Jambres[a] fought against Moses, these people fight against the truth. Their thinking has been confused. The faith they have and teach is worthless. 9 But they will not succeed in what they are trying to do. Everyone will see how foolish they are. That is what happened to Jannes and Jambres.
Last Instructions
10 But you know all about me. You know what I teach and the way I live. You know my goal in life. You know my faith, my patience, and my love. You know that I never stop trying. 11 You know about my persecutions and my sufferings. You know all the things that happened to me in Antioch, Iconium, and Lystra—the persecution I suffered in those places. But the Lord saved me from all of it. 12 Everyone who wants to live showing true devotion to God in Christ Jesus will be persecuted. 13 People who are evil and cheat others will become worse and worse. They will fool others, but they will also be fooling themselves.
14 But you should continue following the teaching you learned. You know it is true, because you know you can trust those who taught you. 15 You have known the Holy Scriptures since you were a child. These Scriptures are able to make you wise. And that wisdom leads to salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. 16 All Scripture is given by God. And all Scripture is useful for teaching and for showing people what is wrong in their lives. It is useful for correcting faults and teaching the right way to live. 17 Using the Scriptures, those who serve God will be prepared and will have everything they need to do every good work.
Patrick1966
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I need to make changes in my life. I am not on the narrow path.
Taken
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Angels and humans have a Natural Attraction to each other...enjoyment of likeness, company, companionship, friendly relationships...
When the attraction is sexual... the natural is limited to opposition defined by Male / Female.
Angels are MALE. There were no Created Female Angels for Angels to Reproduce Angels, Nor can they.
Humans are MALE and FEMALE....expressly for the purpose of Adjoining as ONE verbally with THEIR Word...and adjoining as ONE sexually to reproduce a Gift, an offspring, to love, nurture, care for....as a Blessing to God...Teaching that child HOW TO become Gods inheritance.
And...God becomes indebted to the parents...
And...God repays His Debt...With Rewards.
Angels and Humans have FREEWILL.
They can ignore Gods Intent for Limited Purposed Sex....and do as they each individually Freely Choose.
Male angels Can have SEX with Human females.
Male humans Can have SEX with Human men.
Female humans Can have SEX with Human females.
Male humans Can have SEX with Animals.
Female humans Can have SEX with Animals.
They will never be adjoined with Gods approval.
They will never Reproduce their same kind of offspring.
They will never be a Debt unto God for their SEXUAL acts, nor
Recipients of Gods Gifts, Blessings, Rewards.
And the beauty of individual Freewill election...is that which one chooses has ZERO effect outcome on what another individual chooses.
And Yes...
Scripture Does Teach what is Gods Acceptable and Gods Unacceptable WAY.
Choosing Gods Unacceptable WAY...is a Freewill Choice...
Not an implication of condoning.
1 Timothy 1:9-11
9 We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, 10 for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine 11 that conforms to the gospel concerning the glory of the blessed God, which he entrusted to me.
ChristisGod
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Why do "Christians " like to categorize certain sins and place them on a sliding scale from 1-10 ? There are little sins that are not so bad and we tolerate but not those big sins.
How many men here lust in their hearts ?
Jesus says is you lust in your heart you are guilty of fornication/adultery.
The same with hate being murder. And guess what indifference in 1 John is the same as hating someone.
Homosexuals have just as much need for Christ as any other sinner. Judging them will not bring or lead them to Christ no more than judging any other sinner and trying to lead them to Christ. Here is what Paul says about the topic,
1 Corinthians 5:1-12
It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that even pagans do not tolerate: A man is sleeping with his father’s wife. 2 And you are proud! Shouldn’t you rather have gone into mourning and have put out of your fellowship the man who has been doing this? 3 For my part, even though I am not physically present, I am with you in spirit. As one who is present with you in this way, I have already passed judgment in the name of our Lord Jesus on the one who has been doing this. 4 So when you are assembled and I am with you in spirit, and the power of our Lord Jesus is present, 5 hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord.
6 Your boasting is not good. Don’t you know that a little yeast leavens the whole batch of dough? 7 Get rid of the old yeast, so that you may be a new unleavened batch—as you really are. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed. 8 Therefore let us keep the Festival, not with the old bread leavened with malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
9 I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— 10 not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. 11 But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.
12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13 God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked person from among you
How many men here lust in their hearts ?
Jesus says is you lust in your heart you are guilty of fornication/adultery.
The same with hate being murder. And guess what indifference in 1 John is the same as hating someone.
Homosexuals have just as much need for Christ as any other sinner. Judging them will not bring or lead them to Christ no more than judging any other sinner and trying to lead them to Christ. Here is what Paul says about the topic,
1 Corinthians 5:1-12
It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that even pagans do not tolerate: A man is sleeping with his father’s wife. 2 And you are proud! Shouldn’t you rather have gone into mourning and have put out of your fellowship the man who has been doing this? 3 For my part, even though I am not physically present, I am with you in spirit. As one who is present with you in this way, I have already passed judgment in the name of our Lord Jesus on the one who has been doing this. 4 So when you are assembled and I am with you in spirit, and the power of our Lord Jesus is present, 5 hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord.
6 Your boasting is not good. Don’t you know that a little yeast leavens the whole batch of dough? 7 Get rid of the old yeast, so that you may be a new unleavened batch—as you really are. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed. 8 Therefore let us keep the Festival, not with the old bread leavened with malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
9 I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— 10 not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. 11 But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.
12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13 God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked person from among you
Dropship
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Possibly, and all other spiritually corrupt countries like Britain and Europe etc.
For example gay-supporting California sits on the San Andreas fault and is just asking for trouble..;)
"The floodgates of the heavens are opened,
the foundations of the earth shake...
the earth is violently shaken...
so heavy upon it is the guilt of its rebellion" (Isaiah ch 25)
WIKI- "the San Andreas fault has reached a sufficient stress level for an earthquake of magnitude greater than 7.0 on the moment magnitude scale to occur."
San Andreas Fault - Wikipedia
The phrase “without natural affection” comes from one Greek word (astorgos) that is found in only one other place in the Bible– Romans 1:31. It means exactly what it says, “unsociable”, “unloving”, “inhuman”. It is the absence of the kind of love for family that is instinctive. It is NOT eros kind of love. Please stop wresting scripture out of context in order to appease your obvious bias.
I have wondered if California is gonna fall apart via earthquakes.Possibly, and all other spiritually corrupt countries like Britain and Europe etc.
For example gay-supporting California sits on the San Andreas fault and is just asking for trouble..;)
"The floodgates of the heavens are opened,
the foundations of the earth shake...
the earth is violently shaken...
so heavy upon it is the guilt of its rebellion" (Isaiah ch 25)
WIKI- "the San Andreas fault has reached a sufficient stress level for an earthquake of magnitude greater than 7.0 on the moment magnitude scale to occur."
San Andreas Fault - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
ChristisGod
Well-Known Member
Well I live in the Central Valley where its flooding all over the place. I was just miles away from the 1989 earthquake and my dad made it by less than a 1 minute where the freeway collapsed in Oakland. That fish in my picture was caught just outside of the Golden Gate Bridge.
Ever hear of Lilith? "
For 4,000 years Lilith has wandered the earth, figuring in the mythic imaginations of writers, artists and poets. Her dark origins lie in Babylonian demonology, where amulets and incantations were used to counter the sinister powers of this winged spirit who preyed on pregnant women and infants. Lilith next migrated to the world of the ancient Hittites, Egyptians, Israelites and Greeks. She makes a solitary appearance in the Bible, as a wilderness demon shunned by the prophet Isaiah. In the Middle Ages she reappears in Jewish sources as the dreadful first wife of Adam.
In the Renaissance, Michelangelo portrayed Lilith as a half-woman, half-serpent, coiled around the Tree of Knowledge. Later, her beauty would captivate the English poet Dante Gabriel Rossetti. “Her enchanted hair,” he wrote, “was the first gold.”1 Irish novelist James Joyce cast her as the “patron of abortions.”2"
Lilith
In most manifestations of her myth, Lilith represents chaos, seduction and ungodliness. Yet, in her every guise, Lilith has cast a spell on humankind. Who
Taken
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No.
I don’t find Lilith in Scripture.
Isa 34:
[14] The wild beasts of the desert shall also meet with the wild beasts of the island, and the satyr shall cry to his fellow; the screech owl also shall rest there, and find for herself a place of rest.
Adventageous
Member
Lev_18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
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