Genesis as allegory? - History versus allegory

[St. SteVen]

allegory /ăl′ĭ-gôr″ē/

noun​

1. The representation of abstract ideas or principles by characters, figures, or events in narrative, dramatic, or pictorial form.
2. A story, picture, or play employing such representation. John Bunyan's Pilgrim's Progress and Herman Melville's Moby-Dick are allegories.
3. A symbolic representation.
   "The blindfolded figure with scales is an allegory of justice."

The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 5th Edition • More at Wordnik

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Question about Genesis:
- Literal, or figurative?
- Fact, or allegory?
- Supports, or refutes science?
- Supports, or refutes archeology?
- Supports, or refutes history?

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[Ronald Nolette]

allegory /ăl′ĭ-gôr″ē/

noun​

1. The representation of abstract ideas or principles by characters, figures, or events in narrative, dramatic, or pictorial form.
2. A story, picture, or play employing such representation. John Bunyan's Pilgrim's Progress and Herman Melville's Moby-Dick are allegories.
3. A symbolic representation.
   "The blindfolded figure with scales is an allegory of justice."

The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 5th Edition • More at Wordnik

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Question about Genesis:
- Literal, or figurative?
- Fact, or allegory?
- Supports, or refutes science?
- Supports, or refutes archeology?
- Supports, or refutes history?

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Genesis is history

History, Archeology, Geology, Astro-physics ND SCIENCE SUPPORT IT.
iT IS FACT and literal.

 

[Jack]

Genesis is history

History, Archeology, Geology, Astro-physics ND SCIENCE SUPPORT IT.
iT IS FACT and literal.

I don't think steven likes the historical Flood accounts mentioned several times in the Bible, even by Jesus.

 

[Chains Broken]

Genesis is history

History, Archeology, Geology, Astro-physics ND SCIENCE SUPPORT IT.
iT IS FACT and literal.

Do you have sources for Adam and Eve being historical? I'm not doubting, just asking.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I don't think steven likes the historical Flood accounts mentioned several times in the Bible, even by Jesus.

Well teh flood is so easily proven by science or validated by science, and linguistic etymology and population demographics as to make it easy to show. Now granted only NOah and his family were there to record it but the geologic evidence forthe global flood is overwhelming.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Do you have sources for Adam and Eve being historical? I'm not doubting, just asking.

DNA scientists traced DNA back to there being one original pair.

 

[Jack]

Well teh flood is so easily proven by science or validated by science, and linguistic etymology and population demographics as to make it easy to show. Now granted only NOah and his family were there to record it but the geologic evidence forthe global flood is overwhelming.

Well I don't know about all that but I know Noah and the Genesis Flood are confirmed several times in the Bible.

 

[Chains Broken]

DNA scientists traced DNA back to there being one original pair.

That's interesting, I mean there's just no way things like DNA assembled themselves out of pure chance without God.

If the universe was made 6,000 years ago, what does that mean for dinosaur fossils? Did they never really exist and were just put there during creation?

 

[1stCenturyLady]

That's interesting, I mean there's just no way things like DNA assembled themselves out of pure chance without God.

If the universe was made 6,000 years ago, what does that mean for dinosaur fossils? Did they never really exist and were just put there during creation?

They had to have been on the ark because Job was between Noah and Abraham and he wrote about two dinos. Read Job chapters 40 and 41. There are also tracks in Texas where there are dino footprints and man's right next to it. He was probably hunting it and tracking the foot prints.

 

[St. SteVen]

I don't think steven likes the historical Flood accounts mentioned several times in the Bible, even by Jesus.

If I used the story of The Tortoise and the Hare to make a point, would that make the story true?
Just because I mentioned it.



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[Mr E]

allegory /ăl′ĭ-gôr″ē/

noun​

1. The representation of abstract ideas or principles by characters, figures, or events in narrative, dramatic, or pictorial form.
2. A story, picture, or play employing such representation. John Bunyan's Pilgrim's Progress and Herman Melville's Moby-Dick are allegories.
3. A symbolic representation.
   "The blindfolded figure with scales is an allegory of justice."

The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 5th Edition • More at Wordnik

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Question about Genesis:
- Literal, or figurative?
- Fact, or allegory?
- Supports, or refutes science?
- Supports, or refutes archeology?
- Supports, or refutes history?

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If you haven’t watched the course on the great reset yet, you should. There’s another new one on Russia.

On topic—

There are of course two sides to the Genesis story, as there are to all living things.

 

[Jack]

If I used the story of The Tortoise and the Hare to make a point, would that make the story true?
Just because I mentioned it.

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It's your word against the Christian Bible / Jesus.

Matthew 24:37-39
37 But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 38 For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 and did not know until the flood came and took them all away,

 

[St. SteVen]

It's your word against the Christian Bible / Jesus.

Matthew 24:37-39
37 But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 38 For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 and did not know until the flood came and took them all away,

But as in the story of The Tortoise and the Hare we need to understand that if we are overconfident we may lose the race.

Does that make the story of The Tortoise and the Hare true, just by mentioning it?

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[Mr E]

It's not even debatable. There are two separate and distinct (different) narratives in the Genesis creation story.

 

[BlessedPeace]

allegory /ăl′ĭ-gôr″ē/

noun​

1. The representation of abstract ideas or principles by characters, figures, or events in narrative, dramatic, or pictorial form.
2. A story, picture, or play employing such representation. John Bunyan's Pilgrim's Progress and Herman Melville's Moby-Dick are allegories.
3. A symbolic representation.
   "The blindfolded figure with scales is an allegory of justice."

The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 5th Edition • More at Wordnik

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Question about Genesis:
- Literal, or figurative?
- Fact, or allegory?
- Supports, or refutes science?
- Supports, or refutes archeology?
- Supports, or refutes history?

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The Bible is mostly allegory,similie,metaphorical, and parabolic.And of course, prophetic.

 

[ScottA]

allegory /ăl′ĭ-gôr″ē/

noun​

1. The representation of abstract ideas or principles by characters, figures, or events in narrative, dramatic, or pictorial form.
2. A story, picture, or play employing such representation. John Bunyan's Pilgrim's Progress and Herman Melville's Moby-Dick are allegories.
3. A symbolic representation.
   "The blindfolded figure with scales is an allegory of justice."

4. An image or likeness.​

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Genesis 1:26​

Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”​

 

[Jack]

But as in the story of The Tortoise and the Hare we need to understand that if we are overconfident we may lose the race.

Does that make the story of The Tortoise and the Hare true, just by mentioning it?

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You have a JW argument, 'The Bible doesn't mean what it says'. Do you believe the promises of Christian salvation? Do they mean what they say? You reject the Flood, the burning of Sodom, eternal Hell ... Is there anything you believe in the Bible to be literal???

 

[St. SteVen]

It's not even debatable. There are two separate and distinct (different) narratives in the Genesis creation story.

Yes, good point.
What do you make of that?

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[Mr E]

Yes, good point.
What do you make of that?

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Each narrative is telling the same story albeit from a completely different perspective.

 

[St. SteVen]

Each narrative is telling the same story albeit from a completely different perspective.

If they are the same story what is the point of two narratives?

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