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[bbyrd009]

A hybrid between man and angel, assuming it were viable, could express traits more pronounced than either parent, including stature.

an angel does not have reproductive organs, and the passage surely means "came in to the daughters of men" differently than we interpret it. "Came in" as in "corrupted" might be better, even if the children are literal. Like maybe gene manip or whatever, who knows

 

[Job]

that is a great symbology for...um, Noah still carrying the seed of the fall in his genes, perhaps?
evil getting a ride on the ark, and coming with Noah some other way?

I also don't believe the genes of the Nephilim were present in any of the inhabitants of the Ark. If it was the Lord's intent to destroy all that was evil upon the earth, He would've also destroyed those genes.

 

[Job]

an angel does not have reproductive organs,

Show me how you know that.

 

[bbyrd009]

could express traits more pronounced than either parent, including stature.

"satan" induced the daughters of men to get freaky with neanderthals maybe, and the genes were already close enough to produce fertile hybrids

 

[bbyrd009]

If it was the Lord's intent to destroy all that was evil upon the earth, He would've also destroyed those genes.

so we might think, but obviously all of Noah's descendants were not pure

 

[101G]

I've considered your theory in the past, with regard to Adam, but nothing in scripture supports the notion that Adam and Eve had children before the fall ( though they were most likely capable), but how then do you interpret Jude's statement in verses 6 and 7 of the short epistle by him? Jude suggests that the angels left their domain, the heavens, to go after strange flesh (not their kind.)

GINOLJC. estate is not a place or domain. according to Noah Webster's 1828 Dictionary of American English, Estate: ESTA'TE,n. [L. status, from sto, to stand. The roots stb, std and stg, have nearly the same signification, to set, to fix. It is probable that the L. sto is contracted from stad, as it forms steti.
1. In a general sense, fixedness; a fixed condition; now generally written and pronounced state.
She cast us headlong from our high estate.
2. Condition or circumstances of any person or thing, whether high or low. Luke 1.

Jude 1:6 "And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day". without getting into the definition of "Angel" here which might confuse you, I'll just considerate the word "estate".

looking at the definition above, it is a condition just like the first Adam. attention, Adam fell right .. but the question from where? off a cliff? or how about the back of a milk truck? no, he fell from grace with God. here fell, or fall is not physical act. just as estate here in Jude is not physical act.

 

[Job]

remember that pretty much all of Genesis came from mythology, these are ancient stories

If that's the side of the fence you're working from, there's no point in going any further. Anything posted from Genesis has no weight because it's considered a myth.

 

[bbyrd009]

Show me how you know that.

ah well, dint mean to imply that i knew, sorry, but,

"neither giving or being given in marriage" etc. also, this personifies "spirits" in other ways that just don't work. spirits do not have personalities, you cannot meet them, or talk to them, etc., or else you run into all kinds of other problems. "The spirit of the moment" is likely the most accurate rep of "spirit" or "angel" that we have; people just prefer to personify spirits.

 

[bbyrd009]

If that's the side of the fence you're working from, there's no point in going any further. Anything posted from Genesis has no weight because it's considered a myth.

ah no, sorry, i'm using the definitions of "mythology" is distilled truth, passed from generation to generation, not "myth" as we define that today. Pre-writing

 

[101G]

I've considered your theory in the past, with regard to Adam, but nothing in scripture supports the notion that Adam and Eve had children before the fall ( though they were most likely capable)

I have posted that answer before in another post, but forgot which one. but my answer to them having children in the garden before the fall is found in Genesis 3:16 and Genesis 3:20. please note, in verse 16 the word "conception" and how it is used, which is the Hebrew word,
H2032 הֵרוֹן herown (hay-rone') n-m.
הֵרָיוֹן herayown (hay-raw-yone')
pregnancy.

and in verse 20, Adam called his wife name "Eve" BECAUSE she "WAS" the mother of "ALL" living. this all Living meaning not cut off spiritually from God. and it was used in past tense.

 

[bbyrd009]

A&E surely had navels (and mommies), as aghast as that will surely make some people lol

 

[bbyrd009]

and God formed Adam from the dust of the earth

 

[Job]

spirits do not have personalities, you cannot meet them, or talk to them, etc.,

Hebrews 13
2 Do not forget to entertain strangers, for by so doing some have unwittingly entertained angels.

 

[bbyrd009]

Hebrews 13
2 Do not forget to entertain strangers, for by so doing some have unwittingly entertained angels.

yes, so that can be true too, but positing evil spirits as capable of production is a problem, "steal, kill, and destroy," etc, plus fertility = sex drive, you are just going to get into all kinds of complications by personifying angels, a too-literal interp of that passage notwithstanding imo

 

[Job]

you are just going to get into all kinds of complications by personifying angels,

Why?

 

[bbyrd009]

Why?

because angels neither marry nor give in marriage, meaning they do not procreate, have no sex drive, or even thoughts for that matter, they are "spirits," all they have is "animus," "it took on a life of its own," not "it has life as we know it." of course you might certainly feel differently

 

[Job]

because angels neither marry nor give in marriage, meaning they do not procreate, have no sex drive, or even thoughts for that matter, they are "spirits," all they have is "animus," "it took on a life of its own," not "it has life as we know it." of course you might certainly feel differently

You're confusing the angels at the time of the resurrection with the sons of God during the time of Noah. Those two entities are not identical.

 

[101G]

You're confusing the angels at the time of the resurrection with the sons of God during the time of Noah. Those two entities are not identical.

Matthew 22:28 "Therefore in the resurrection whose wife shall she be of the seven? for they all had her 29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. 30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven".
they are the people in the resurrection, but the present as our Lord spoke was the estate of the angel before the resurrection. so angels don't marry, before or after.

 

[Job]

so angels don't marry, before or after.

We were discussing whether angels had reproductive organs. He claims they don't simply because they don't marry.

Is it your belief that the sons of God never took wives or produced offspring?

 

[michaelvpardo]

an angel does not have reproductive organs, and the passage surely means "came in to the daughters of men" differently than we interpret it. "Came in" as in "corrupted" might be better, even if the children are literal. Like maybe gene manip or whatever, who knows

I'm a little afraid to ask, but how do we know that an angel "does not have reproductive organs?" If that's actually true why do some angels have a pair of wings to cover their feet? That expression is supposedly a euphemism for covering their private parts, though I'm unconvinced .