GIFTS OF THE SPIRIT
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Satan is the author of unbelief. Passions, desires, delusions bring about unbelief.
I think I need to clear something up here. Too many people start halfway through the story and as a result, they are walking an incorrect path.
Everything in life comes from one of two sources. God or Satan. All that is good comes from God and all that is bad comes from Satan. God comes to give life. Satan comes to kill, steal and destroy. God does not know how to do anything else and Satan does not know how to do anything else. God cannot lie and Satan cannot tell the truth.
That being the case, our passions, desires and delusions come from one of those two sources. They do not operate in a vacuum and pop up when it suits them. Gods gave us passions and desires and Satan makes them delusions. There is nothing wrong with passion and desires. They go astray when they become a delusion.
A classic example of a delusion is the homosexual narrative which is based on a delusion that you are born homosexual and is fed by the idea that it is not sinning.
The opposite of that is the heterosexual who has the same passions but are not following a delusion by marrying someone of the opposite sex and creating children.
Because unbelief is not from God it, therefore, must be from Satan. No other choice. As we should all know we do not wrestle against flesh and blood but against the wiles of Satan. Sort that out and you are home and dry.
Heterosexuality is from God, homosexuality is from Satan. Until we recognize the part Satan plays in all this we shall be deceived and spend our time trying to sort out problems which we do not have the ability to sort out as only God can do that. Our role is to be used by God to do what he wants to do.
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Well thank you for repeating yourself and bringing my post forward for others to read. I appreciate it.
A view can be taken that everything is just from God or Satan. This puts Satan on a par to God and ignores our hearts and sinful passions that lie within.
The fruit of the spirit in an open cleansed heart will show to all.
We are the source of sin, in our hearts. We are born separate from God so in rebellion, out of fellowship and antagonistic towards Him. This is unbelief, or else we would be believers, which comes about through hearing the word and coming to faith.
In lostness, we are still under Gods authority and satan only does things with the Lords permission.
Whenever the Lord turns up the enemy flees.
7 Submit yourselves, then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
James 4
Too many put too much emphasis on the enemy and not enough on themselves and repenting and resolving issues of the heart, unforgiveness, hiding love, not accepting Gods love and acceptance of us, pride, hurt, anger, greed, lust.
The issue of the heart goes so far as some call fear, anger etc evil spirits that need to be cast our of a believer, as if an evil spirit could dwell in the heart alongside the Holy Spirit. This is just not possible.
Equally John describes if love dwells in ones heart, and you see needs, you will desire to meet them, or else one does not have love in the heart.
For one simple reason. There are only nine gifts of the Spirit in the Corinthian passage I am teaching from. if you want to deal with all the others be my guest....in another thread.
And I am glad I embarked upon this exercise as it is obvious from some replies that people are willfully ignorant of the subject matter.
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Actually you seem to be the one who is wilfully ignorant. There are NOT just nine spiritual gifts in 1 Corinthians 12. There are FOURTEEN.
1. the word of wisdom
2. the word of knowledge
3. faith
4. the gifts of healing
5. the working of miracles
6. prophecy
7. discerning of spirits
8. tongues
9. the interpretation of tongues
10. apostles
11. prophets
12. teachers
13. helps
14. governments
The next gift I want to talk about in the list is tongues. The literal interpretation of this is "and to another, workings of powers, and to another, prophecy, and to another, discerning of spirits, and to another, kinds of languages, and to another, interpretation of languages." (1 Cor 12:10)
The Greek word is glossa and it is used 50 times in the New Testament which means the listener/reader would be familiar with the word and its meaning. The meaning of glossa is a tongue or a language specifically one not naturally acquired meaning of course that it is aquired supernaturally. You will note that the literal translation is languages, not tongues.
There is a lot of argument about what is genuine tongues/language and too many people throw the baby out with the bathwater, rather than try to understand what is really meant and is happening. One can be too familiar with tongues/ languages and in some case not familiar enough.
For example, I started going to one house meeting and the evening followed the same pattern every week. Singing, tongues always given by women, interpretation always given by women and the occasional prophecy always given by a man. Then the pastor preached. About what I am not really sure.
In another meeting, someone, a man I seem to remember, spoke in a language. A Chinese lady present said he had spoken in perfect Mandarin and gave the interpretation. The man admitted he had no idea what he was saying.
In another meeting, I have heard someone speak in what appeared to be tongues and gave the interpretation in English.
I also know that many people speak in tongues as a means of worship in their own private time with the Lord. No interpretation was needed.
It is no use putting the supernatural into little boxes and say "there you are, that is how it works." The Spirit gives severally as he wills so it is not for us to say that so and so is right or wrong. We need to discern before passing judgment.
I was in another meeting and a man gave a message in tongues and its interpretation. When he finished I was convinced it was not from the Lord. At the next meeting, he admitted he had made it up for himself.
When you are in a foreign country and do not know the language, what a marvelous way for God to reach people by giving you the ability supernaturally to give a message in the language of the people.
Acts 2 is an interesting one so let me take you through it.
Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit, and began to speak in other languages, as the Spirit gave the ability to them to speak. Languages here is the Greek word glossa. In other words languages.
Acts 2:6 But this sound occurring, the multitude came together and were confounded, because they each heard them speaking in his own dialect. The word dialect in Greek is different. it is dialektos. This encompasses not only language but dialects that were part of a language so it was more specific.
Note that there were only 12 disciples and thousands of hearers. So how did they each hear what was being said in their own language and dialect? A good question.
Acts 2:7-8 And all were amazed and marveled, saying to one another, Behold, are not all these, those speaking, Galileans? This was significant because Galilee was not a place of learning. Galileans were by and large men of the land as in farmers and fishermen. They were not supposed to be experts in a language other than their own. And how do we hear each in our own dialect in which we were born.....If that is not a miracle I don't know what is.
Acts 2:13 But ridiculing, others said, They are full of sweet wine. Some were amazed at what was happening, but...Nothing new. They ridiculed then and they ridicule today.
Act 2:14 But standing up with the Eleven, Peter lifted up his voice and spoke out to them, Men, Jews, and all those living in Jerusalem, let this be known to you, and listen to my words:
They spoke to thousands of people in their own language and dialects. Now the question is "How could 12 people talk in thousands of languages and dialects? The fact is they could not. What I believed happened was this. They spoke in their own language and the Holy Spirit translated it to each listener in their own language or dialect. Which meant Peter said what he said in his own language and the Holy Spirit interpreted what he was saying and the person understood. Here then was the first and classic case of speaking in tongues and interpretation.
Note the listeners were all Jews (Acts 2:22 Men, Israelites, hear these words so they would be conversant with what was said which was from the Old Testament because wherever Jews lived they were taught the teachings and events from the Old Testament.
Acts 2:36-38 Then assuredly, let all the house of Israel acknowledge that God made Him both Lord and Christ, this same Jesus whom you crucified. And hearing, they were stabbed in the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, Men, brothers, What shall we do? And Peter said to them, Repent and be baptized, each of you in the name of Jesus Christ to remission of sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
I have put this in as an aside to show what can happen when you have powerful supernatural preaching. The message was first to repent. Then to be baptized (by immersion) and note in the name of Jesus Christ, and then to receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. NOTE: No mention of accepting Jesus into your heart.
In those days with many of the religions of the time, you were not considered a valid member until you had been baptized by immersion in water. For that reason to be baptised after repentance would have been quite normal.
Acts 2:41 Then truly the ones gladly welcoming His Word were baptized. And about three thousand souls were added that day and they would have been all men. The response was immediate and conclusive. They were baptised by immersion. I wonder how many have started their church with 3,000?
If that doesn't convince you that God can do it and will, then you need to get a real appreciation to the limitless ability of God.
The Greek word is glossa and it is used 50 times in the New Testament which means the listener/reader would be familiar with the word and its meaning. The meaning of glossa is a tongue or a language specifically one not naturally acquired meaning of course that it is aquired supernaturally. You will note that the literal translation is languages, not tongues.
There is a lot of argument about what is genuine tongues/language and too many people throw the baby out with the bathwater, rather than try to understand what is really meant and is happening. One can be too familiar with tongues/ languages and in some case not familiar enough.
For example, I started going to one house meeting and the evening followed the same pattern every week. Singing, tongues always given by women, interpretation always given by women and the occasional prophecy always given by a man. Then the pastor preached. About what I am not really sure.
In another meeting, someone, a man I seem to remember, spoke in a language. A Chinese lady present said he had spoken in perfect Mandarin and gave the interpretation. The man admitted he had no idea what he was saying.
In another meeting, I have heard someone speak in what appeared to be tongues and gave the interpretation in English.
I also know that many people speak in tongues as a means of worship in their own private time with the Lord. No interpretation was needed.
It is no use putting the supernatural into little boxes and say "there you are, that is how it works." The Spirit gives severally as he wills so it is not for us to say that so and so is right or wrong. We need to discern before passing judgment.
I was in another meeting and a man gave a message in tongues and its interpretation. When he finished I was convinced it was not from the Lord. At the next meeting, he admitted he had made it up for himself.
When you are in a foreign country and do not know the language, what a marvelous way for God to reach people by giving you the ability supernaturally to give a message in the language of the people.
Acts 2 is an interesting one so let me take you through it.
Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit, and began to speak in other languages, as the Spirit gave the ability to them to speak. Languages here is the Greek word glossa. In other words languages.
Acts 2:6 But this sound occurring, the multitude came together and were confounded, because they each heard them speaking in his own dialect. The word dialect in Greek is different. it is dialektos. This encompasses not only language but dialects that were part of a language so it was more specific.
Note that there were only 12 disciples and thousands of hearers. So how did they each hear what was being said in their own language and dialect? A good question.
Acts 2:7-8 And all were amazed and marveled, saying to one another, Behold, are not all these, those speaking, Galileans? This was significant because Galilee was not a place of learning. Galileans were by and large men of the land as in farmers and fishermen. They were not supposed to be experts in a language other than their own. And how do we hear each in our own dialect in which we were born.....If that is not a miracle I don't know what is.
Acts 2:13 But ridiculing, others said, They are full of sweet wine. Some were amazed at what was happening, but...Nothing new. They ridiculed then and they ridicule today.
Act 2:14 But standing up with the Eleven, Peter lifted up his voice and spoke out to them, Men, Jews, and all those living in Jerusalem, let this be known to you, and listen to my words:
They spoke to thousands of people in their own language and dialects. Now the question is "How could 12 people talk in thousands of languages and dialects? The fact is they could not. What I believed happened was this. They spoke in their own language and the Holy Spirit translated it to each listener in their own language or dialect. Which meant Peter said what he said in his own language and the Holy Spirit interpreted what he was saying and the person understood. Here then was the first and classic case of speaking in tongues and interpretation.
Note the listeners were all Jews (Acts 2:22 Men, Israelites, hear these words so they would be conversant with what was said which was from the Old Testament because wherever Jews lived they were taught the teachings and events from the Old Testament.
Acts 2:36-38 Then assuredly, let all the house of Israel acknowledge that God made Him both Lord and Christ, this same Jesus whom you crucified. And hearing, they were stabbed in the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, Men, brothers, What shall we do? And Peter said to them, Repent and be baptized, each of you in the name of Jesus Christ to remission of sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
I have put this in as an aside to show what can happen when you have powerful supernatural preaching. The message was first to repent. Then to be baptized (by immersion) and note in the name of Jesus Christ, and then to receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. NOTE: No mention of accepting Jesus into your heart.
In those days with many of the religions of the time, you were not considered a valid member until you had been baptized by immersion in water. For that reason to be baptised after repentance would have been quite normal.
Acts 2:41 Then truly the ones gladly welcoming His Word were baptized. And about three thousand souls were added that day and they would have been all men. The response was immediate and conclusive. They were baptised by immersion. I wonder how many have started their church with 3,000?
If that doesn't convince you that God can do it and will, then you need to get a real appreciation to the limitless ability of God.
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Again you are projecting your interpretation onto what I am doing. This thread is about the NINE gifts of the Spirit in 1 Cor 12. if you want to write about the others be my guest...in another thread.
The 10-14 in your lists relate to the government of the body of Christ, not the operation of the Holy Spirit in the gifts he gives, bearing in mind that your 10-12 are gifts of the risen Christ not the gifts of the Spirit.
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I tried reading all the posts before responding further.
If someone has already said this then I apologize .....
The first thing I would like to present is the gifts of the Holy Spirit are OF the Holy Spirit.
He chooses individuals to manifest that gift through. Where Christians err is trying to operate the gifts without the presence of the Holy Spirit...people continually say "my" gift is this or that. This is said in err of truth....all gifts are of and from the Holy Spirit....and without His presence to manifest them then the person is operating in their own flesh and this is where so much caution and unbelief has risen up.
We are vessels of the Holy Spirit to manifest his power through. No one....not one....can minister the supernatural power of God without the Holy Spirit.
Those who are baptized in the Holy Spirit still cannot manifest the gifts without His anointing and presence to do so.
So many Christians have caused harm and damage to others and to the integrity of God's Word because they operated on their own power not His. Example: Mary walks up to Jane and says the Lord gave me a word for you.....You are to quit the job your at and when you step out in faith to obey Him in this then He is going to open a new door for you and you will prosper and make twice as much as you make now." So Jane quits her job and 3 months later still hasn't found another job and is now behind on all her bills and is struggling to keep her faith to trust God anymore.
This is so sad, yet it happens all the time.
The person giving this word did not recognize that there was no anointing on her to speak and the person receiving that word did not seek God to confirm it.
Operating in the gifts of the Holy Spirit requires a knowledge and understanding of how He works in us and through us.
God Bless everyone who is seeking God to be used by Him in ministry and gifts.
If someone has already said this then I apologize .....
The first thing I would like to present is the gifts of the Holy Spirit are OF the Holy Spirit.
He chooses individuals to manifest that gift through. Where Christians err is trying to operate the gifts without the presence of the Holy Spirit...people continually say "my" gift is this or that. This is said in err of truth....all gifts are of and from the Holy Spirit....and without His presence to manifest them then the person is operating in their own flesh and this is where so much caution and unbelief has risen up.
We are vessels of the Holy Spirit to manifest his power through. No one....not one....can minister the supernatural power of God without the Holy Spirit.
Those who are baptized in the Holy Spirit still cannot manifest the gifts without His anointing and presence to do so.
So many Christians have caused harm and damage to others and to the integrity of God's Word because they operated on their own power not His. Example: Mary walks up to Jane and says the Lord gave me a word for you.....You are to quit the job your at and when you step out in faith to obey Him in this then He is going to open a new door for you and you will prosper and make twice as much as you make now." So Jane quits her job and 3 months later still hasn't found another job and is now behind on all her bills and is struggling to keep her faith to trust God anymore.
This is so sad, yet it happens all the time.
The person giving this word did not recognize that there was no anointing on her to speak and the person receiving that word did not seek God to confirm it.
Operating in the gifts of the Holy Spirit requires a knowledge and understanding of how He works in us and through us.
God Bless everyone who is seeking God to be used by Him in ministry and gifts.
Disciples are often those who follow what the preacher believes.
So if one has a closed heart, without purity and truth, one has disciples who are similarly closed.
When Jesus calls us to make disciples He is referring to us as followers of Him with open pure hearts.
Jesus observed the pharisees were very enthusiastic at creating believers but they were actually much worse than them.
Thank you for your comments. I would add for clarification that anyone receiving a directive from someone who believes that it is from the Holy Spirit always needs to have confirmation from another source.
Here is an example for you from my own experience. I attended a men's meeting and someone prophesied over me that I was being given a prophetic teaching ministry.
A few weeks later I was at another meeting and I was prophesied over by a second person that I was being given a prophetic teaching ministry.
At a third meeting, the same thing happened again. A total stranger prophesied that I was being given a prophetic teaching ministry.
At a fourth meeting, again someone I did not know, prophesied that I was being given a prophetic teaching meeting.
All four meetings were at different places and the people giving the prophecies did not know each other and did not all come from the same church.
Guess what my gifting is?? I have never studied the Word so much and seen insights that I had never seen before.
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