God Commands Righteous Violence

[Wrangler]

In this vid, Pastor Steve details disaster from Trump NOT being more violent in totally defeating the Iranian Islamic regime. This will lead to the Black horde of the apocalypse.

 

[Lambano]

I don't know about Vlad the Impaler, but I am good with reeducating Christian men who have for so long been feminized by society and even within the church.

Vlad the Impaler is notorious for impaling people by driving a long wooden stake up their anus until it comes out their mouth. If that's anyone's ideal of "masculinity", they really need to talk to a good psychiatrist. Freud would have a field day with that symbolism.

 

[Wrangler]

Vlad the Impaler is notorious for impaling people by driving a long wooden stake up their anus until it comes out their mouth. If that's anyone's ideal of "masculinity", they really need to talk to a good psychiatrist. Freud would have a field day with that symbolism.

Did what was necessary to protect Christian Europe from Islamic Conquest. Do you prefer living under Sharia Law?

 

[RLT63]

“I love the Communists with all of my heart. Communists can kill Christians but they cannot kill their love toward even those who killed them. I have not the slightest bitterness or resentment against the Communists or my torturers.”

(Richard Wurmbrand, Tortured for Christ, p. 55)

@RLT63 do you have this love for your enemies? Does Jesus?

Are Muslims / Islamic Jihadis on the same level as godless Communists?

Wurmbrand story rewrite:

I love the Muslims / Islamic Jihadis with all of my heart. Muslims / Islamic Jihadis can kill Christians but they cannot kill their love toward even those who killed them. I have not the slightest bitterness or resentment against the Muslims / Islamic Jihadis or my torturers?

I -> Pastor Wurmbrand

I -> Jesus

Can you see Jesus in Pastor Wurmbrand?

No, he’s a better man than me

 

[Lambano]

Did what was necessary to protect Christian Europe from Islamic Conquest.

Do you think for a moment that Vlad the Impaler was motivated by a love for Christ?

I asked you and everyone listening: What motivates you? Are you motivated by a love for Christ? Or something else?

 

[Matthias]

No, he’s a better man than me

You’re an honest man, and that’s Christlike.

Wurmbrand had a personal experience that you and I haven’t had. I want to learn from his experience by reading about it rather than learn from the experience of personally going through it. The former has happened; the latter might happen. If the latter does happen, my faith (and my witness) will be severely tested. Will I suffer and die for my faith? You pointed out to me that the apostles did.

A few days ago I posted two quotes from Wurmbrand that have garnered no public reaction:

”A man really believes not what he recites in his creed, but only what he is willing to die for.”

”The highest goal of man is to become Christ-like.”

Wurmbrand experienced what Jesus experienced, just not as severely.

 

[RLT63]

Why do you think Jesus instructed his followers to treat their enemies in a way which David didn’t treat his?

The God of the Old Testament wasn’t really a love your enemies kind of guy

 

[Matthias]

Did what was necessary to protect Christian Europe from Islamic Conquest.

Catholic / Eastern Orthodox Europe. You’re neither Catholic nor Eastern Orthodox.

You’re an “end justifies the means” advocate. Jesus and the apostles aren’t. (And it should go without saying that Jesus and the apostles weren’t Catholic / Eastern Orthodox, but you’re loose with historical facts. So there it is.)

Do you prefer living under Sharia Law?

Do I prefer living under Sharia Law to living under Catholic / Eastern Orthodox rule?

I prefer living under the rule of none of them. I live under the law of Messiah.

 

[Matthias]

The God of the Old Testament wasn’t really a love your enemies kind of guy

The God of the Old Testament is the God of the New Testament. Same guy.

He hasn’t changed. Something has changed. What has changed?

 

[RLT63]

The God of the Old Testament is the God of the New Testament. Same guy.

He hasn’t changed. Something has changed. What has changed?

I know it’s the same God but He seems a lot different in the New Testament

 

[Matthias]

I know it’s the same God but He seems a lot different in the New Testament

But we know that he isn’t different. What is different is that the new creation has begun with the coming of the Messiah, and with that, a new way of living. (The life man was intended to live from the beginning.)

The Messiah has commanded us to live as he modeled it until he returns.

Something changes in the way his followers live when he returns. There is a piece of unfinished business, as it were. Think David.

 

[Lambano]

The God of the Old Testament wasn’t really a love your enemies kind of guy

I know it’s the same God but He seems a lot different in the New Testament

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[RLT63]

Marcion lives!

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Marcionism emerged in the early Christian church around 144 CE, founded by Marcion of Sinope, a wealthy shipowner and theologian. After arriving in Rome, Marcion was influenced by the teachings of Cerdo, a gnostic Christian. He proposed a radical theological framework that distinguished between the God of the Old Testament, whom he viewed as a vengeful creator (the Demiurge), and the loving God revealed by Jesus Christ in the New Testament."

No, it’s the same God. Just seems different

 

[Lambano]

No, it’s the same God. Just seems different

One of my neighbors, whose young boy I used to take to Sunday school, theorized that, like a lot of the guys he used to run with, God mellowed out after He had a kid.

 

[Wrangler]

Do you think for a moment that Vlad the Impaler was motivated by a love for Christ?

Yes. Who else stopped Christian Europe at that time from Islamic Conquest?

 

[Lambano]

Do you think for a moment that Vlad the Impaler was motivated by a love for Christ?

Yes. Who else stopped Christian Europe at that time from Islamic Conquest?

Do you really think Vlad the Impaler gave a damn about Jesus Christ or any of His teachings?

 

[Matthias]

Yes.

No one who tortures human beings loves Christ.

Who else stopped Christian Europe at that time from Islamic Conquest?

The one whom you teach others to believe lied.

 

[ScottA]

@RLT63 @ScottA

Is a man who believes in his heart that “Jesus lied” worthy of death?

Is a man who believes in his heart that “Jesus lied” deceived?

Does God want a man who believes in his heart that “Jesus lied” to change his mind and be saved?

What do you want for such a man?

We have already covered and agreed on the content of the OP video. But this is another aspect, granted, invited by the OP commentary.

Yes, of course we are to love our enemy as Christ has said. But we ought not mix the two as the OP has done, for Christ did not mean there is not "A time of war, and a time of peace." But rather that in spite of times of wars (or other seemingly harsh or firm behavior) we ought to love even our enemies.

Which then, if we are to rightly separate the two and speak specifically of being firm in harsh or unwelcome circumstances--indeed we ought to stand firm as if in battle against the forces of evil. This type of response is not to be taken from a man of God, but is given to a man of God to defend himself and his family and all that God has put under his care. Which things one ought not to love, but to hate and even kill, remembering that God himself in spite of desiring that all men would be saved, has take up a war against evil unto death--putting to death all that is against His better nature--which is indeed to love.

 

[ScottA]

Was it also war when the Roman Empire persecuted - tormented, tortured, and killed Christians?

If it wasn’t, what separates persecution of Christians by pagans from persecution of Christians by Muslims?

I appears that you are mixing the forces evil among us with the forces of God also among us.

We ought always stand against evil. Even so, God has at various times sent opposing forces of evil against the people of God that we ourselves cannot overcome. Such was the case of the Roman Empire's persecution, etc. of Christians, which was on the heels of Christ crucified (even unto the third and forth generation).

Likewise, God was and is likely and rightly to send overwhelming forces against us, for Israel rejected Christ in the flesh, but Christendom has rejected Christ in spirit.

 

[ScottA]

Vlad the Impaler is notorious for impaling people by driving a long wooden stake up their anus until it comes out their mouth. If that's anyone's ideal of "masculinity", they really need to talk to a good psychiatrist. Freud would have a field day with that symbolism.

Thanks--I think.