God didn't always exist but he changed

[darkspeed6]

If god always existed, he would have been doing nothing for an infinite past. That's out of character for god to do because doing nothing is pointless, and god doesn't do pointless things to do. Also, it's not possible to do nothing for infinity. An infinite past of nothing can't lead to a future of doing something. If a chair sat in an empty room and was never moved from its position, it would never end up in a different position. If god sat and did nothing for an infinite past, then what happened in that past that made him change his mind later to decide to create?

And if god doesn't change, then why did he change his mind to decide to create after an infinite past of doing nothing? He wasn't creating, but then later he was creating. That means God changed.

 

[JBO]

If god always existed, he would have been doing nothing for an infinite past. That's out of character for god to do because doing nothing is pointless, and god doesn't do pointless things to do. Also, it's not possible to do nothing for infinity. An infinite past of nothing can't lead to a future of doing something. If a chair sat in an empty room and was never moved from its position, it would never end up in a different position. If god sat and did nothing for an infinite past, then what happened in that past that made him change his mind later to decide to create?

And if god doesn't change, then why did he change his mind to decide to create after an infinite past of doing nothing? He wasn't creating, but then later he was creating. That means God changed.

Time is a physical creation. God is no more limited by physical time than He is by physical space. As such, for God, there is no such thing as the past or the future for that matter.

 

[darkspeed6]

Time is a physical creation. God is no more limited by physical time than He is by physical space. As such, for God, there is no such thing as the past or the future for that matter.

God has his own time. Regardless, god was creating at one point in our time, then at a later point he stopped. Isn't that a change? If he didn't change, then how did he stop creating? He must've changed, and as such the bible is debunked.

 

[Adrift]

Your making some assumptions here. First off, what makes you so sure that God isn't creating something right now? You are seeing things only through the perspective of a human being. Time is not relevant to God. Time is only relevant to our perspectives. Also, God can change if he feels like it.

 

[Spyder]

And still mankind attempts to fit God into a box we that we can "understand Him." How human of us!

 

[Niblo]

If God has not always existed, then who - or what - brought Him into existence?

 

[RedFan]

God has his own time. Regardless, god was creating at one point in our time, then at a later point he stopped. Isn't that a change? If he didn't change, then how did he stop creating? He must've changed, and as such the bible is debunked.

If you walk alternating left foot steps and right foot steps, have YOU changed? Your actions have (every second!), and your location on the planet has, but have YOU? No. The notion that taking an action at time t1 and not taking the same action at time t2 connotes a "change" in the actor is nonsense.

 

[Adrift]

If God has not always existed, then who - or what - brought Him into existence?

My opinion (probably faulty) is that nothing brought God into existence. I consider the statement "I AM" to be timeless. As humans, we don't like to consider that which we cannot understand. That is because we only know what we can logically deduce.

 

[lforrest]

We also don't know exactly what is going to happen. Let this verse sink in. We cant even comprehend this future existence and God's plans that are to come.

However, as it is written: “What no eye has seen, what no ear has heard, and what no human mind has conceived” — the things God has prepared for those who love him—

 

[JBO]

God has his own time.

If there was no time before creation of this physical universe, then what does that even mean?

 

[Adrift]

If there was no time before creation of this physical universe, then what does that even mean?

It means something that we are not capable of understanding. I believe that we all try to pull everything down to our limited knowledge and, in our unrealized arrogance, dismiss what we cannot understand. I choose to believe that before the creation there was nothing but God.

 

[JBO]

It means something that we are not capable of understanding. I believe that we all try to pull everything down to our limited knowledge and, in our unrealized arrogance, dismiss what we cannot understand. I choose to believe that before the creation there was nothing but God.

But you just said that there was time before creation. You have tried to impose your view of this world upon God in His world.

 

[RedFan]

If there was no time before creation of this physical universe, then what does that even mean?

Time is a measure of change. Prior to God's creating the universe there was no "time" at all. Think of it this way: if all is static -- if there is no change (because no matter yet exists that could change) -- then sentient beings in that milieu would have no concept of time.

 

[lforrest]

Time is a measure of change. Prior to God's creating the universe there was no "time" at all. Think of it this way: if all is static -- if there is no change (because no matter yet exists that could change) -- then sentient beings in that milieu would have no concept of time.

Rather, timeless beings have a clearer top down view of time. Like we are not usually confused by looking at a 2D picture though we are 3D beings.

 

[darkspeed6]

Your making some assumptions here. First off, what makes you so sure that God isn't creating something right now? You are seeing things only through the perspective of a human being. Time is not relevant to God. Time is only relevant to our perspectives. Also, God can change if he feels like it.

On days of creation he was creating the universe. On final day he stopped creating the universe and was no longer doing that. It says so. He had to stop creating the universe. That means he changed.

 

[Cassandra]

If god always existed, he would have been doing nothing for an infinite past.

Where in the world did you get this idea? You don't know if He

has created other worlds, do you?

On days of creation he was creating the universe. On final day he stopped creating the universe and was no longer doing that. It says so. He had to stop creating the universe. That means he changed.

How does that mean He changed. If you build a house, and you are done building the house, even though you are not building another one, you are still you, aren't you?

 

[lforrest]

On days of creation he was creating the universe. On final day he stopped creating the universe and was no longer doing that. It says so. He had to stop creating the universe. That means he changed.

How can someone who knows everything across all of time change their mind? If they did change their mind wouldn't that be admitting ignorance of the future?

 

[JBO]

Time is a measure of change. Prior to God's creating the universe there was no "time" at all. Think of it this way: if all is static -- if there is no change (because no matter yet exists that could change) -- then sentient beings in that milieu would have no concept of time.

We humans sense time in this physical universe through observation of things changing. But I don't think that is a very good definition of time in the spiritual realm in which God exists. The bible describes things changing before the universe was created. For example, Angels rebelled against God, whatever that means. Since time is a physical entity, it is unique to this physical universe.

 

[RedFan]

Time is a measure of change. Prior to God's creating the universe there was no "time" at all. Think of it this way: if all is static -- if there is no change (because no matter yet exists that could change) -- then sentient beings in that milieu would have no concept of time.

We humans sense time in this physical universe through observation of things changing. But I don't think that is a very good definition of time in the spiritual realm in which God exists. The bible describes things changing before the universe was created. For example, Angels rebelled against God, whatever that means. Since time is a physical entity, it is unique to this physical universe.

I thought the physical universe was the referent here. What, besides God, does the bible say existed prior to "the beginning" mentioned in Genesis 1:1?

 

[Spyder]

On days of creation he was creating the universe. On final day he stopped creating the universe and was no longer doing that. It says so. He had to stop creating the universe. That means he changed.

That is not what the bible says in Genesis. We are told only of the time that this water-covered world was restored.