How do you explain the idea that anything IS something and - at the same time - IS that thing that it is with? (please do not invoke Christianity, the Bible or John 1:1 since my question is about language usage, logic and definition).
So, you want the Godhead explained to you in natural terms, because your carnal mindedness refuses to believe such spiritual things, except they be explained carnally.
And you further demand scripture be left out of showing the sense of Scripture.
That's a tall order, but here's how carnal minded men can see the Godhead of Father, Son, and Holy Ghost:
Take our sun, and let there be three of them: Each is the sun, and all three are exactly the same sun
with one another. All three shine the same light and have the same power as the sun, as well as all three together.
And so, the sun is something, and at the same time, is that same thing that it is with: the sun. Not just two, but three suns together, that are one and the same thing with each other.
And so, I have met your parameters, that can make sense to an objective listener. He doesn't have to believe it, but he can certainly envision it. However, that makes no difference to you, because your reason for rejecting the Godhead is not really based on your carnal minded refusal to envision it, but rather is due to your natural theology of mortal souls.
In the past, I truly could not understand how some people claiming such Bible scholarship, could be so urgent about rejecting something so simple as the Word was with God and was God, and instead choose to try and teach something, that turns nearly all scripture into a confusing mess.
But now I know why. It's not the Godhead you have a problem with, but eternal torment for immortal souls of the wicked.
That's the real source of your rejection of Jesus Christ being Lord and God. You make up a natural theology of mortal souls, to do away with immortal torment, and so you cannot allow any soul of man to be immortal, while in mortal flesh.
Therefore, Jesus Christ cannot be allowed to be God come in the flesh, and is a man with immortal soul on earth in mortal flesh.
You would rather preach a christ-god deified after the manner of pagan theology, than to allow an immortal soul of man living in mortal flesh.
It's understandable that you do not play the 'translation game' because examining different translations reveals your attempt to eliminate discernment.
Though I don't play that game, I still showed how translations do not prove doctrine of God.
This is why, once again, you are avoiding the argument made: You make the translations offered to contradict themselves. You interpret that there is no God with God from translations, that also say there was God with God in the beginning.
You go to a translation in one place, to try and disprove that God was ever with God, and then reject the same translation in another place, where it says God was with God.
As I said, people that fish around for different translations, in order to come up with their own teaching, are really just trying to write their own bible, and they end up making a mess of other translations to do it.
Ps 82:1 CEV translation specifically says when the other gods congregate, almighty God judges them. Implied is the various gods do not always come together with the Creator YHWH for there is a time when they do. Not implied but explicit in Scripture is the existence of REAL-lowercase gods.
Once again, you interpret Scripture from your own mind and theology. The Scripture does not say gods congregate, but rather God's congregation is of the mighty, which are the righteous in Psalms 1, and are not gods.
Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.
The ungodly are the gods, that God judges as unrighteous. The lying promise of being gods began with Lucifer to himself, and now from the god of this world to man. The promise of disobedience, is to be as gods doing good and evil according to their own will forever.
What comes to an end is their own will of godhood, while their immortal being is tormented forever.
Recognizing there are many lords and gods in Scripture that are REAL (not false) is the beginning of wisdom of who the holy Creator is in the OT and the NT.
God is the God of gods, and the Lord of lords,
that He judges as false and wicked. God created angels and men as spiritual eternal beings, and them that seek to make themselves gods and lords, are judged and condemned by their own Creator and Maker, the Lord and God Jesus Christ.
Neither as being lords over God's heritage, but being ensamples to the flock.
Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.
Decieved angels and men make themselves gods, that are no gods by nature, but are immortal beings by nature only: We are immortal souls, but not lords nor gods.
Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.
The true God is the only immortal God. All the gods of angels and men are no gods at all.
As I said, you people swallow whole the paganism of many lords and gods, and make a god and christ to yourself to do so:
Shall a man make gods unto himself, and they are no gods?
On the one hand you put yourself forth as the great defenders of the one true God, so as to reject Jesus Christ as Lord and God, and then go on to teach
there be many gods, among whom is your created christ.
As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one.
For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
You people try to believe in the one God, while teaching there be many gods and lords, that are only called gods by you.
You are wanna-be monotheistic Jews, that reject Jesus as their Christ and Lord, while clinging to pagan theology of many gods.
And you do it all, just to do away with a tormenting hell and lake of fire.
While you sing praises of all your great scholarship of natural man, you can't even see the mess you've made of things, that any sensible child would reject as foolish.
Even your own NW Translation contradicts itself, by making to yourself a christ-god, yet confirms scripture that such gods are no gods at all.
