God is Just to Forgive Past sins

[robert derrick]

""" Christ is the end of the Law for Righteousness for everyone who Believes'.

"""Christ has redeemed us from the CURSE of the Law"""

"The power of SIN is the LAW, and the Law is the Power of SIN".

The born again are "NOT under the Law, but Under Grace"..

"The Law is our schoolmaster to lead us to CHRIST, so that we can be Justified by FAITH".. "without the deeds of the Law".

So Robert, be careful that some demon led person or cult does not try to get you back under the "law"
You might think they are really a Christian or a real church, but in fact they are led of the Devil.

The end is the fulfillment of the law righteously by the faith of Jesus, not the end of the law as dead and gone.

Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:

Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.

Neither the law of Christ, nor His commandment, nor His faith are ended in this life.

Those who reject the law of Christ, reject His commandment and faith.

 

[Behold]

Correct.


Then stop teaching it. By your false doctrine, you think you are saved and justified by your own dead faith alone,

Obeying one's doctrine to be justified by faith alone,

"faith is counted as righteousness"......the born again are "justified by faith".
"without FAITH its impossible to please God".

"all that call on the name of Jesus, believing (faith) shall be saved".

Jesus said......."All that BELIEVE IN ME......(Faith).... I give unto them eternal life and they shall never go to hell..(Perish)""...

"We are Saved by Grace Through FAITH", Ephesians 2:8.... and that not of Works.

 

[Behold]

As I said, there is no 'gift' of righteousness by dead faith alone.

My faith isn't dead.
Its alive "in Christ".

 

[Behold]

Those who reject the law of Christ, reject His commandment and faith.

You are one of the worst verse twisters ive ever met. Honestly, its difficult to even read what you post as its so bizarrely written, or "cut and pasted", as that is your game plan, Robert.

Let me try to show the readers here, what i think you are trying to post as a verse., and then im on my way.

“For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death”

 

[robert derrick]

"faith is counted as righteousness"......the born again are "justified by faith".
"without FAITH its impossible to please God".

"all that call on the name of Jesus, believing (faith) shall be saved".

Jesus said......."All that BELIEVE IN ME......(Faith).... I give unto them eternal life and they shall never go to hell..(Perish)""...

"We are Saved by Grace Through FAITH", Ephesians 2:8.... and that not of Works.

Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

There is no keeping faith of Jesus without keeping His commandments.

And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

There is no believing Jesus without obeying Him.

People can doctrinalize themselves into anything they want. But only those doing the will of God are born of God.

 

[robert derrick]

My faith isn't dead.
Its alive "in Christ".

Not without the works of Christ.

His works begin with not sinning.

 

[robert derrick]

You are one of the worst verse twisters ive ever met. Honestly, its difficult to even read what you post as its so bizarrely written, or "cut and pasted", as that is your game plan, Robert.

I can't count how many people condemn what I teach, without showing any fault in the reasoning of Scripture I give.

As in this case. You interpret the law is at an end and dead. And so you must do the same for the commandment and faith of Christ.

“For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death”

That's because they're free from sinning against Christ and His law.

There is no freedom in Christ from condemnation of His law, while anyone is sinning against His law.

The hypocrisy of doctrinal OSAS is self-deluding, and the main reason why the world mocks the cross and grace of Jesus Christ.

It's the same hypocrisy of the self-righteous Jews, that condemned others but justified themselves, while committing the same trespasses.

 

[robert derrick]

The born again already exist in the KOG., having been "Translated from darkness ... TO LIGHT".
Jesus said the KOG is within you, and that means you have become the "temple of the Holy Spirit".
The born again are already there, as being born again as a "new Creation in Christ' proves it.

This is why Jesus told you, that "you must be born again"...as that is how you enter the KOG.

I.e. like the Pharisees of old, you won't say.

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like:

Of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

One simple question: If anyone doing such things, while they are doing it, are they inheriting the kingdom of God?

Just as them, your nonanswer is an admission of guilt.

 

[Robert Gwin]

Now that hurts. A JW created christ cultist calling someone else blind to the true God.

However, since they speak of their own falsely created god, that I am blind to, then it's a compliment.

Thanks.

Mal 3:18

 

[mailmandan]

He is just in Jesus shedding his blood, an accepting it as the payment of all sins. Not just the past, and some may suggest.

Amen! Romans 3:25 (AMP) - whom God displayed publicly [before the eyes of the world] as a [life-giving] sacrifice of atonement and reconciliation (propitiation) by His blood [to be received] through faith. This was to demonstrate His righteousness [which demands punishment for sin], because in His forbearance [His deliberate restraint] He passed over the sins previously committed [before Jesus’ crucifixion].

This sheds light on what is meant by PAST sins. It does not mean that ONLY our past sins are forgiven by Jesus.

Further translations of Romans 3:25 read:

ESV - whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God's righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins.

HCSB - God presented Him as a propitiation through faith in His blood, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His restraint God passed over the sins previously committed.

NASB - whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith. This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed.

NIV - God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement, through the shedding of his blood—to be received by faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished.

Acts 13:39 - and by Him everyone who believes is justified from all things from which you could not be justified by the law of Moses.

 

[bro.tan]

When the Bible speaks of the justice of God to forgive sins by faith in His Son, He is saying that our confession of faith saves and forgives us from the death penalty of our sins that are past.

According to His law, past sins can be forgiven by the death of a sacrifice on our behalf. The justice of His judgment, is that He cannot then go back and judge us for our past sins, once we have been found not guilty.

He is not an unjust judge to rule us not guilty with past transgressions, but then 'retry' our case as in double jeopardy.

It does not mean any case of transgression before Him now, is also already forgiven, and unjust for Him to find us guilty.

But since Jesus is still the Advocate for the whole world, by whom we recieved forgiveness in the past, then we can come to Him again by confession, that this case too should be ruled not guilty.

God is not an unjust judge to try us again in double jeopardy, but He certainly is a just judge to rule us guilty for present and/or future transgression against Him.

The LORD is slow to anger, and great in power, and will not at all acquit the wicked:

Jesus brought grace when he came in the flesh, but example of grace was in the days of Noah. But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD. (Genesis 6:8), And Noah and his family was saved.

Now Paul said in (Rom. 3:23-25) (v.23) For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. (v.24) Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: (v.25) Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God. So the bible tells you to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." (Acts 2 :36-38). And by doing so you come up under his precious blood and then you are saved from your sins that are past, not present or future sins but for sins that are past.

We were all locked under death by Adam’s sin, even the second death. But when Jesus became (he was God in the beginning) man and died for the sins of the world, he gave us access back to the tree of life (himself) which Adam had caused us to lose. That’s what grace is, our free gift our access back to the tree of life but that’s another lesson for another time. So by coming under the blood of Jesus you are saved from your past sins. And if you are saved now, it is on a day to day basis. Because for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God (Romans 23:3), and if you continue to live you will sin again. It is the willful sinning that you need to put in check. For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. (Hebrew 10: 26, 27)

 

[robert derrick]

The point of the thread, is that God is justified by His own law to forgive sins that are past, because of the shed blood of His Son. And he is also a just Judge, in that He does not then go back and judge us again for what we are already forgiven. He doesn't do double-jeopardy.

However, He is entirely justified in condemning any man for present sinning. No one is justified nor forgiven by Christ, while sinning against Him at the same time. Only an unjust judge forgives his own family, while condemning others for doing the same thing.

Jesus brought grace when he came in the flesh, but example of grace was in the days of Noah. But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD. (Genesis 6:8), And Noah and his family was saved.

True. And one went back to being a devil.

We were all locked under death by Adam’s sin,

We were all locked under our own sinning. Adam didn't sin for me, nor do I sin for him. We sin for ourselves, and so we stand by ourselves when judged. Death passes upon all souls of men, because all have sinned, not because Adam sinned. Death passed upon Adam's soul only, when he sinned for himself. The same for Eve.

Neither Eve nor anyone else ever separated themselves from God, because of Adam's sinning.

even the second death.

You mean the LOF.

But when Jesus became (he was God in the beginning) man and died for the sins of the world, he gave us access back to the tree of life (himself)

True.

That’s what grace is, our free gift our access back to the tree of life but that’s another lesson for another time.

It's a great lesson, when we understand that access is by grace through the blood of the Lamb. And that access of grace is help in time of need, not to continue sinning. Adam and Eve both chose to continue in sin, when they both were given access by grace of the Lord to confess and repent.

Grace's entrance is not unconditional by faith alone. It's only for them that confess and repent of their past sinning, and seek God's grace not to turn back.

So by coming under the blood of Jesus you are saved from your past sins. And if you are saved now, it is on a day to day basis. Because for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God (Romans 23:3),

Now this is true. Our salvation and justification in Christ, is only as good as we are doing now. Every day is our day of salvation, to continue in well doing and walking with Jesus.

and if you continue to live you will sin again.

Scripture says, if we sin, not when. Peter says we can ensure not falling.

And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.

For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.

Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:

For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

You're no doubt an honest godly Christian. But our honesty must be in the truth. It's the only way we can do the truth.

It is the willful sinning that you need to put in check.

Amen to that.

For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. (Hebrew 10: 26, 27)

I agree. Our walk with God is only as good as now. The past is yesterday, and tomorrow may not come.

Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.

 

[bro.tan]

The point of the thread, is that God is justified by His own law to forgive sins that are past, because of the shed blood of His Son. And he is also a just Judge, in that He does not then go back and judge us again for what we are already forgiven. He doesn't do double-jeopardy.

However, He is entirely justified in condemning any man for present sinning. No one is justified nor forgiven by Christ, while sinning against Him at the same time. Only an unjust judge forgives his own family, while condemning others for doing the same thing.

True. And one went back to being a devil.


We were all locked under our own sinning. Adam didn't sin for me, nor do I sin for him. We sin for ourselves, and so we stand by ourselves when judged. Death passes upon all souls of men, because all have sinned, not because Adam sinned. Death passed upon Adam's soul only, when he sinned for himself. The same for Eve.

Neither Eve nor anyone else ever separated themselves from God, because of Adam's sinning.


You mean the LOF.


True.



It's a great lesson, when we understand that access is by grace through the blood of the Lamb. And that access of grace is help in time of need, not to continue sinning. Adam and Eve both chose to continue in sin, when they both were given access by grace of the Lord to confess and repent.

Grace's entrance is not unconditional by faith alone. It's only for them that confess and repent of their past sinning, and seek God's grace not to turn back.


Now this is true. Our salvation and justification in Christ, is only as good as we are doing now. Every day is our day of salvation, to continue in well doing and walking with Jesus.



Scripture says, if we sin, not when. Peter says we can ensure not falling.

And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.

For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.

Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:

For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

You're no doubt an honest godly Christian. But our honesty must be in the truth. It's the only way we can do the truth.


Amen to that.


I agree. Our walk with God is only as good as now. The past is yesterday, and tomorrow may not come.

Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.

Throughout the bible we find that in order to receive eternal salvation we must keep God's commandments to the end. If we make a mistake we must not give up, but I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus (Philippians 3:13-14). The last chapter in the whole bible reminds us of this one last time. "Blessed are they that do his commandments that they may have right to the tree of life." (Revelation 22:14). After this we find only seven more verses in the bible, and none of them does away with God's commandments.

The commandments of God are not hard to keep (I John 5:3) and furthermore, they teach us love in the highest degree. If you love Jesus you will keep his commandments (St. John 14:15). You will not displease the Lord by: Worshipping other gods, having graven images, taking his name in vain, breaking his Sabbath day (which is Saturday not Sunday), or dishonoring your parents. On the other hand, if you love your neighbor as yourself you will not kill him, commit adultery with his spouse, steal from him, falsely accuse him, or covet anything of his.

This is true love, and if obeyed how much better would our world be? This is why Jesus said that the two greatest commandments are loving the Lord with all your heart, soul, and mind; and loving your neighbor as yourself (Matthew 22:35-40). These two commandments are the foundation of the entire law. Many reject the law, but it is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good (Romans 7:12) even today.

 

[robert derrick]

Throughout the bible we find that in order to receive eternal salvation we must keep God's commandments to the end.

True.

If we make a mistake

Sinning with the devil is not a mistake.

we must not give up, but I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus (Philippians 3:13-14).

True. We can still confess our sin, and be forgiven and restored into the fellowship of Christ.

We learn the lesson for the next time of tempation.

The last chapter in the whole bible reminds us of this one last time. "Blessed are they that do his commandments that they may have right to the tree of life." (Revelation 22:14). After this we find only seven more verses in the bible, and none of them does away with God's commandments.

Good point. The saved nations entering the gates of the city are keepers of His commandments.

The disobedient are not allowed to enter and eat of the healing leaves of life.

On the other hand, if you love your neighbor as yourself you will not kill him, commit adultery with his spouse, steal from him, falsely accuse him, or covet anything of his.

True

This is true love, and if obeyed how much better would our world be? This is why Jesus said that the two greatest commandments are loving the Lord with all your heart, soul, and mind; and loving your neighbor as yourself (Matthew 22:35-40). These two commandments are the foundation of the entire law. Many reject the law, but it is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good (Romans 7:12) even today.

True. The law of God is now the law of Christ, not the law of Moses.

The law of Christ still condemns unrighteous works of the flesh. And those that do them, no matter what profession of faith they may have.

 

[Behold]

Throughout the bible we find that in order to receive eternal salvation we must keep God's commandments to the end

God saves us through the Cross of Christ, not through commandments, or water, or law, or works.

If keeping the commandments could save you, then Jesus didn't have to die for your sin on the Cross.

Notice that He did?

 

[robert derrick]

Separating salvation from loving God and keeping His commandments, says it all for OSAS delusion.

Sinners can try to doctrinalize themselves into heaven, but all such vain imagination ends in the grave.

 

[bro.tan]

God saves us through the Cross of Christ, not through commandments, or water, or law, or works.

If keeping the commandments could save you, then Jesus didn't have to die for your sin on the Cross.

Notice that He did?

A man asked Jesus this very question, "...What good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?", and Jesus replied, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. (Matthew 19:16-19). This was a direct answer to a direct question, which all of us will do well to take heed to

Jesus brought grace when he came in the flesh, but example of grace was in the days of Noah. But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD. (Genesis 6:8), And Noah and his family was saved. Now Paul said in (Rom. 3:23-25) (v.23) For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. (v.24) Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: (v.25) Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God. So the bible tells you to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." (Acts 2 :36-38). And by doing so you come up under his precious blood and then you are saved from your sins that are past, not present or future sins but for sins that are past. We were all locked under death by Adam’s sin, even the second death.

But when Jesus became (he was God in the beginning) man and died for the sins of the world, he gave us access back to the tree of life (himself) which Adam had caused us to lose. That’s what grace is, our free gift our access back to the tree of life but that’s another lesson for another time. So by coming under the blood of Jesus you are saved from your past sins. And if you are saved now, it is on a day to day basis. Because for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God (Romans 23:3), and if you continue to live you will sin again. It is the willful sinning that you need to put in check. For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. (Hebrew 10: 26, 27)

 

[bro.tan]

True.


Sinning with the devil is not a mistake.


True. We can still confess our sin, and be forgiven and restored into the fellowship of Christ.

We learn the lesson for the next time of tempation.


Good point. The saved nations entering the gates of the city are keepers of His commandments.

The disobedient are not allowed to enter and eat of the healing leaves of life.



True


True. The law of God is now the law of Christ, not the law of Moses.

The law of Christ still condemns unrighteous works of the flesh. And those that do them, no matter what profession of faith they may have.

Didn't know Moses had laws, but when the bible speaks of laws we no longer have to keep, it is speaking of the sacrificial laws and Priesthood laws. These laws were a school master pointing us to the fact that Jesus would be sacrificed for our sins. Since Jesus died we are no longer under a school master, (required to offer up bulls and goats for our sins).

Now we must believe (have faith) Jesus died for us Hebrews 10: 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. 9 then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. 10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. 11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: 12 but this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; 13 from henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. 14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

The point that is not understood is that we all have sin, but until Jesus came, there was no way of getting out from under your sins. So God institute a Priesthood and laws that went with the priesthood to control the sinning, and so the Lord use animal Sacrificial laws, even though it could not remove sins.

When Jesus died on the cross that was the end of the first covenant, which consisted of the blood of animals and the keeping of God’s commandments. And his death also brought in the second covenant, which consist of the blood of Jesus and the keeping of God’s commandments. (v.18) Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin. In other words, no more animals are going to die for your sins. (20) by a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; (21) and having an high priest over the house of God; (v.26) For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins.

 

[robert derrick]

Didn't know Moses had laws

As Moses the servant of the LORD commanded the children of Israel, as it is written in the book of the law of Moses,

And he wrote there upon the stones a copy of the law of Moses, which he wrote in the presence of the children of Israel.

He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

, but when the bible speaks of laws we no longer have to keep, it is speaking of the sacrificial laws and Priesthood laws.

True.

These laws were a school master pointing us to the fact that Jesus would be sacrificed for our sins. Since Jesus died we are no longer under a school master, (required to offer up bulls and goats for our sins).

True.

The point that is not understood is that we all have sin,

And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.

but until Jesus came, there was no way of getting out from under your sins.

This is true, but contradictory with still having sin.

So God institute a Priesthood and laws that went with the priesthood to control the sinning, and so the Lord use animal Sacrificial laws, even though it could not remove sins.

The law doesn't control any sinning, but only condemns it. Transgressing the law shows us we need a deliverer from sinning.

And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

The law did not stop sinning, but only exposed it. The sacrifices were only for covering the people from condemnation for sinning. The blood of the Lamb washes us clean of all unrighteousness, so that there is no condemnation for sinning.

When Jesus died on the cross that was the end of the first covenant, which consisted of the blood of animals and the keeping of God’s commandments.

True. When He was resurrected, He brought in the New Covenant and law of Christ and doctrine of the apostles, replacing that of Moses.

And his death also brought in the second covenant, which consist of the blood of Jesus and the keeping of God’s commandments. (v.18)

True again.

 

[Behold]

A man asked Jesus this very question, "...What good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?", and Jesus replied, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Thousands of water baptized commandment keeping religious people went to hell today, tomorrow, and yesterdy.

Why?

Because......... Jesus said......"You must be born again".

You need to figure this out before you die, bro.fan.