God Moved His Israel to The West

[Davy]

If you study Galatians 3 and Romans 4 by Apostle Paul, you should come to understand that the Promise by Faith first given to Abraham was always first, before the birth of the children of Israel, and before God giving the law through Moses about 430 later. That Promise by Faith is The Gospel of Jesus Christ. In John 8:56, Jesus said Abraham rejoiced to see His day, he saw it and was glad. By that Jesus revealed that The Gospel was first preached to Abraham.

And in Hebrews 7, it is revealed that Jesus was the Old Testament Melchizedek that met Abraham and blessed him, and offered Abraham "bread and wine". That reveals that Lord Jesus knew and spoke with Abraham, personally. This is revealed to an even greater extent in Genesis 18 when it is understood that one of the "three men" that appeared to Abraham at his tent door, was our Lord Jesus Christ back in that Old Testament time, and He was standing there with Abraham with Abraham's petitioning to not destroy Sodom and Gomorrah if there be righteous men in it.

Why is all that important to us who have believed The Gospel of Jesus Christ?

The reason that is important to us a Christians, is because The Gospel Faith was always the first principle among God's chosen elect. And it involves God's Birthright Blessings that He first gave through His servant Abraham. And Apostle Paul said this regarding Abraham's Faith and those promises blessings...

Gal 3:6-9
6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, "In thee shall all nations be blessed."
9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
KJV

Gal 3:13-14
13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, "Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:"
14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
KJV

Gal 3:26-29
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
KJV

Now I want to stress that "... and heirs according to the promise" which Apostle Paul said there. That literally means all those who believe the Promise by Faith, i.e., The Gospel of Jesus Christ, like Abraham did, are "heirs according to the promise". It means we Gentiles inherit 'with'... faithful Abraham, and are counted as Abraham's children.

Heirs of what brethren? Heirs of the Promise. Faith on God's Promise The Gospel of Jesus Christ is what brings us into God's Blessings to Abraham. There's other things God promised Abraham that are involved, like the land inheritance, plenty of grain and wine, great military strength, the best land resources on earth, and a seed as many as the stars and sands of the sea. God also promised a king line over His people, with Christ eventually coming to inherit David's earthly throne (Luke 1:32). And those who remain faithful all the way to the end, Jesus promised to make priests and kings, and will reign with Him in His future kingdom of the world to come.

Just how... has all this come about, because in case you didn't know, those promised blessings by God are no longer in the holy land today among the orthodox unbelieving Jews. We are constantly being bombarded with falsehoods as if God's Promise by Faith and its associated Blessings were given through Abraham, finally inherited by Ephraim and Manasseh, are still with the unbelieving Jews, but that simply is not true. The blessings are indeed still with Ephraim and Manasseh today, which is also where The Gospel of Jesus Christ went to, which is what God's Birthright is about (1 Chronicles 5).

We all have heard about the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel, how God scattered them out of the holy lands first because of their falling away from Him and instead doing idol worship. That story begins in 1 Kings 11 where God gave Jeroboam of the tribe of Ephraim to be king over Israel, over the ten tribes that dwelt in the northern lands of old Israel. Solomon's son Rehoboam of the house of David remained as king of Judah in the southern kingdom at Jerusalem. Thus old Israel was split into two separate kingdoms by God in that time.

(Continued...)

 

[Davy]

(Continued...)

From the history of 1 Kings 12 through 2 Kings 17, the northern "kingdom of Israel" (ten tribes) had many kings, but still allowed Jeroboam's gold calf idol worship. God ended it with ending the northern "kingdom of Israel", and scattering those ten tribes of Israel among the Assyrians and in the lands of the Medes, never to return as a people. To this day, the ten northern tribes of Israel are still LOST, as they lost their heritage as part of Israel, lost knowledge of God's feast days, new moons, sabbaths, etc. They became as Gentiles living among Gentiles. And God prophesied that this would happen to them via His prophet Hosea.

But then God also prophesied via Hosea that the time would come when God would make a new covenant with the ten lost tribes of the "house of Israel", and they would be given a door of hope in the wilderness of new lands. God said there He would take the names of pagan Baali they called Him out of their mouths, and they would begin to call Him "Ishi". (See Book of Hosea).

This happened to the ten northern lost tribes of Israel like God said through His prophet Hosea. He would lead them to new lands during their scattering, and they would come into the West, and the new covenant He would give them was The Gospel of Jesus Christ, and they believed the Promise by Faith of The Gospel like Abraham did, and many Gentiles believed along with them, as also a remnant of scattered Jews would convert to Jesus Christ. All this especially happened in the traditional Christian West.

Before The Gospel was preached to them and the majority of them believed, they were sunken into various forms of ancient Baal worship with idols. In each region of Asia Minor and Europe they had a different name for their Baal worship. In the northern Scandinavia countries it was false gods like Odin, Thor, etc. In Greece it was Mars, in Rome it was Jupiter and Apollo. When Christ was preached to them, they began to put their Baal idols away, just as God said would happen through His prophet Hosea.

This is how Jeremiah 31:31, Hebrews 8:8, and 8:13 would declare God's Promise to make a "new covenant" with the "house of Israel" (ten tribes) and with the "house of Judah" (Jews). It is about God's Promise by Faith first given to Abraham, and that continued all the way down to Joseph's 2 sons Ephraim and Manasseh (Genesis 48; 1 Chronicles 5). This is why God said that Jacob's seed would become "a company of nations" (Gen.35), which is the later Genesis 48 prophecy to Ephraim that his seed would become "a multitude of nations". That is pointing to the Western Christian Nations of history, fulfilled in the Christian West, and that would spread to its allies in the free nations that also accept Jesus Christ on national scales.

But the unbelieving Jews, representing the "house of Judah", never were LOST, meaning, they never lost their heritage as part of Israel. God promised they wouldn't, per His prophet Hosea. Even though when the Jews were scattered through the countries, they still maintained their heritage as part of old Israel and the tribes of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi, known as the "house of Judah".

And because the unbelieving Jews rejected Jesus of Nazareth as The Christ, Messiah of the Scriptures, God removed many of the Promises He first gave through Abraham, and that loss would be expressed particularly in the holy land. God promised to the tribe of Judah the king line. He promised to David that there would never fail one of his seed to sit upon the throne of Israel, unto all... generations. (see also the Genesis 49:10 prophecy)

Yet Zedekiah, king of Judah, of the house of David, would have his eyes poked out by Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon, and taken in chains captive to Babylon where he died, and all his son heirs executed also, thus ending the king line of the house of David in the holy land. That happened in the days of Jeremiah the prophet. To this day, no one of the house of David, of the tribe of Judah, since then, has ever sat upon a throne in Jerusalem. So that Promise left the holy land and the unbelieving Jews there. A mystery many do not realize though, is that throne of David on earth did not end, as God moved it elsewhere, because God promised to David that it would remain unto all generations (2 Samuel 7).

Likewise, God's Promised Blessings involving plenty of grain and wine, and the best land resources on earth, which also did not remain in the holy land. The Jews were removed from the holy land more than once, the Roman destruction in 70 A.D. being one of the worst desolations of the land and scattering of the orthodox Jews. Same with God's Promise about great military strength. That was moved out of the holy land also, and even with today's nation of Israel, it still cannot measure up to the military strength of the western Christian nations.

To Christ's Church is where God's Birthright Promises were moved to. And that involves the traditional western Christian nations. That traditionally has been where the greatest land resources on earth are, the most grain and wine producing regions on earth, the most powerful militaries on earth, and also an established king line over them. The children of darkness of course hate that idea of David's throne having been moved to the Christian West with Christian kings and queens, as they continually dream up ways to mock the monarchs of the Christian nations of Europe. Many Jews are jealous of this fact also, since God removed David's throne from the holy land with king Zedekiah.

Are the orthodox unbelieving Jews still God's chosen people though? Yes, they still represent the "house of Judah", but those Jews who believe on Jesus Christ are counted as Christians, regardless of some of their attempts to remain in fellowship with their unbelieving Jewish brethren, simply because of their Jewish heritage. The difference, like Apostle Paul taught in Romans 11, is that God has spiritually blinded the majority of the Jews away from The Gospel, so The Gospel would go to the Gentiles. The ten lost tribes were not known as Jews, because the title of 'Jew' belonged to those of the southern "kingdom of Judah", that title being derived from the tribe of Judah.

Thus today, under Christ, the other "nation" per Christ's parable of the husbandmen in Matthew 21, is represented by the western Christian nations of history. We do not care about ex-president Obama's false claim that the United States of America never was a Christian nation. What God has shown in His Word about this, and... by the actual history of the Christian nations, reveals that the western nations were founded under Jesus Christ, as the original founders knew that and declared it in their writings.

 

[MatthewG]

I believe all the 12 tribes of the nation of Israel all died in 70Ad. Today people become part of the kingdom by faith, and Yahava adopts those who are his into His family, as children of God. Being part of Heavenly Jerusalem.

All the twelve tribes all gathered for temple festivals, even after Jesus ascended, the faithful waiting for Yeshua to come back were taken up, and destruction reigned down which was the wrath of God given to his people who killed his Son, and were divorced with as a people having them all wiped out, with the use of the Roman Army, in 70Ad with, 1,000,000 people and in ny opinion, if only 144,000 where those who were making up the bride of Christ. The rest of the people who make up the whole of all the tribes which were cut off and killed and no one today has to be “part of a tribe” in order to recieve the ability to have a faithful, established relationship with Yahava, being made right with Yahava by faith in Jesus, because of his righteousness.

There is no such thing as any christian nation. Perhaps things were taken from Christianity however it doesny make a nation of people all formly beliving in Christ.

There is the heavenly jerusalm, with believers who live there with Yahava and on earth people have hope of going to this place once leaving this life.

All material religions doesnt mean anything to Yahava, orthodox doesnt mean anything to Yahava. He looks for people to seek him in spirit and truth. There is no way to say one is from any tribe today because the geneaology was done away with in the fires of the destruction of the nation of Israel.

 

[Jay Ross]

If you study Galatians 3 and Romans 4 by Apostle Paul, you should come to understand that the Promise by Faith first given to Abraham was always first, before the birth of the children of Israel, and before God giving the law through Moses about 430 later. That Promise by Faith is The Gospel of Jesus Christ. In John 8:56, Jesus said Abraham rejoiced to see His day, he saw it and was glad. By that Jesus revealed that The Gospel was first preached to Abraham.

When did God first begin to talk with Abraham and begin giving what we call the Abrahamic Covenant to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob?

We know from Stephen's short history lesson in Acts 7 that God had first started to give Abraham the Abrahamic covenant while he was still in Ur of the Chaldeans when Abraham was around the age of 50 years old, or when he was possibly even younger.

If we accept that Abraham left Ur when he was around 50 years of age, then Isaac was born 50 yeas later, when Abraham was 100 years old and Jacob was born when Isaac was 60 years old, and that Jacob went down to Egypt when he was 130 years old. Now Jacob receive the last parts of what we call the Abrahamic covenant just before he journeyed down to Egypt.

Now we also know from Exodus 12:40-41 that Israel spent 430 years in Egypt.

Now if we add all of these time intervals together, we get a time duration of : -

50yrs + 60yrs+130yrs+430yrs = 670 years

So, the time span between when God first spoke to Abraham to leave his fathers household and go to an earth that He would show him was 670 years.

The time span over which the Abrahamic Covenant was given to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob just before Jacob leaves to go down to Egypt is 240 years.

And in Hebrews 7, it is revealed that Jesus was the Old Testament Melchizedek that met Abraham and blessed him, and offered Abraham "bread and wine".

Again, you are twisting what is written in scripture. This is what is said in Hebrews 7: -

15 And this point is even more clear if another priest like Melchizedek appears, 16 one who has become a priest not by a law of succession, but by the power of an indestructible life. 17 For it is testified:

“You are a priest forever
in the order of Melchizedek.”

In these above verses, Christ is our New High priest in the order/manner of Melchizedek. You on the other hand have claimed that in Genesis 14 that Melchizedek was Jesus who came out to greet Abraham when he returned with Lot after Lot was taken.

As for your claim that Jesus was with God when God came to destroy Sodom, is drawing a conclusion from the silence of the scriptures.

Davy, it seems to me that you do not let the scriptures guide you in what you post.

Goodbye

 

[strepho]

(Continued...)

From the history of 1 Kings 12 through 2 Kings 17, the northern "kingdom of Israel" (ten tribes) had many kings, but still allowed Jeroboam's gold calf idol worship. God ended it with ending the northern "kingdom of Israel", and scattering those ten tribes of Israel among the Assyrians and in the lands of the Medes, never to return as a people. To this day, the ten northern tribes of Israel are still LOST, as they lost their heritage as part of Israel, lost knowledge of God's feast days, new moons, sabbaths, etc. They became as Gentiles living among Gentiles. And God prophesied that this would happen to them via His prophet Hosea.

But then God also prophesied via Hosea that the time would come when God would make a new covenant with the ten lost tribes of the "house of Israel", and they would be given a door of hope in the wilderness of new lands. God said there He would take the names of pagan Baali they called Him out of their mouths, and they would begin to call Him "Ishi". (See Book of Hosea).

This happened to the ten northern lost tribes of Israel like God said through His prophet Hosea. He would lead them to new lands during their scattering, and they would come into the West, and the new covenant He would give them was The Gospel of Jesus Christ, and they believed the Promise by Faith of The Gospel like Abraham did, and many Gentiles believed along with them, as also a remnant of scattered Jews would convert to Jesus Christ. All this especially happened in the traditional Christian West.

Before The Gospel was preached to them and the majority of them believed, they were sunken into various forms of ancient Baal worship with idols. In each region of Asia Minor and Europe they had a different name for their Baal worship. In the northern Scandinavia countries it was false gods like Odin, Thor, etc. In Greece it was Mars, in Rome it was Jupiter and Apollo. When Christ was preached to them, they began to put their Baal idols away, just as God said would happen through His prophet Hosea.

This is how Jeremiah 31:31, Hebrews 8:8, and 8:13 would declare God's Promise to make a "new covenant" with the "house of Israel" (ten tribes) and with the "house of Judah" (Jews). It is about God's Promise by Faith first given to Abraham, and that continued all the way down to Joseph's 2 sons Ephraim and Manasseh. This is why God said that Jacob's seed would become "a company of nations", which is the later Genesis 48 prophecy to Ephraim that his seed would become "a multitude of nations". That is pointing to the Western Christian Nations of history, fulfilled in the Christian West, and that would spread to its allies in the free nations that also accept Jesus Christ on national scales.

But the unbelieving Jews, representing the "house of Judah", never were LOST, meaning, they never lost their heritage as part of Israel. God promised they wouldn't, per His prophet Hosea. Even though when the Jews were scattered through the countries, they still maintained their heritage as part of old Israel and the tribes of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi, known as the "house of Judah".

And because the unbelieving Jews rejected Jesus of Nazareth as The Christ, Messiah of the Scriptures, God removed many of the Promises He first gave through Abraham, and that loss would be expressed particularly in the holy land. God promised to the tribe of Judah the king line. He promised to David that there would never fail one of his seed to sit upon the throne of Israel, unto all... generations. (see also the Genesis 49:10 prophecy)

Yet Zedekiah, king of Judah, of the house of David, would have his eyes poked out by Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon, and taken in chains captive to Babylon where he died, and all his son heirs executed also, thus ending the king line of the house of David in the holy land. That happened in the days of Jeremiah the prophet. To this day, one of the house of David, of the tribe of Judah, has never sat upon a throne in Jerusalem. So that Promise left the holy land and the unbelieving Jews there. A mystery many do not realize though, is that throne of David on earth did not end, as God moved it elsewhere.

Likewise, God's Promised Blessings involving plenty of grain and wine, and the best land resources on earth, did not remain in the holy land. The Jews were removed from the holy land more than once, the Roman destruction in 70 A.D. being one of the worst desolations of the land and scattering of the orthodox Jews. Same with God's Promise about great military strength. That was moved out of the holy land also, and even with today's nation of Israel, it still cannot measure up to the military strength of the western Christian nations.

To Christ's Church is where God's Birthright Promises were moved to. And that involves the traditional western Christian nations. That traditionally has been where the greatest land resources on earth are, the most grain and wine producing regions on earth, the most powerful militaries on earth, and also an established king line over them. The children of darkness of course hate that idea of David's throne having been moved to the Christian West with Christian kings and queens, as they continually dream up ways to mock the monarchs of the Christian nations of Europe. Many Jews are jealous of this fact also, since God removed David's throne from the holy land with king Zedekiah.

Are the orthodox unbelieving Jews still God's chosen people though? Yes, they still represent the "house of Judah", but those Jews who believe on Jesus Christ are counted as Christians, regardless of some of their attempts to remain in fellowship with their unbelieving Jewish brethren, simply because of their Jewish heritage. The difference, like Apostle Paul taught in Romans 11, is that God has spiritually blinded the majority of the Jews away from The Gospel, so The Gospel would go to the Gentiles. The ten lost tribes were not known as Jews, because the title of 'Jew' belonged to those of the southern "kingdom of Judah", that title being derived from the tribe of Judah.

Thus today, under Christ, the other "nation" per Christ's parable of the husbandmen in Matthew 21, is represented by the western Christian nations of history. We do not care about ex-president Obama's false claim that the United States of America never was a Christian nation. What God has shown in His Word about this, and... by the actual history of the Christian nations, reveals that the western nations were founded under Jesus Christ, as the original founders knew that and declared it in their writings.

Good job. Good documentation. Keep plowing my friend.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

God Moved His Israel to The West​

Does this end with we should support Hamas and not Israel?

 

[Davy]

Does this end with we should support Hamas and not Israel?

Should you petition God for a new brain so that you begin to understand the difference between His Israel and its enemies, like radical Islam and World Communism-Socialism, i.e., the nation alignment of Ezekiel 38?

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Should you petition God for a new brain so that you begin to understand the difference between His Israel and its enemies, like radical Islam and World Communism-Socialism, i.e., the nation alignment of Ezekiel 38?

I'm not the one talking trash about the descendants of Abraham claiming the church has taken the place of Israel

Hopefully your existing brain can understand that that... I know it's deep, but concentrate man, concentrate!

 

[Davy]

I'm not the one talking trash about the descendants of Abraham claiming the church has taken the place of Israel

Hopefully your existing brain can understand that that... I know it's deep, but concentrate man, concentrate!

No one will be saved by their 'flesh' birth, according to Apostle Paul.

As far as God transferring His Birthright Blessings to Christ's Church, you best get used to it, because ONLY those who believe on Jesus of Nazareth as The Christ-Messiah can have eternal life.

Since you do not appear to understand that, then it suggests you are not really a Christian, but something else that has come here to post on a Christian forum.

 

[amigo de christo]

Does this end with we should support Hamas and not Israel?

Dont let this fool you my friend .
GOD did NOT move HIS ISRAEL TO the WEST .
Rather NOT ALL ISRAEL is truly OF ISRAEL . the lambs are scattered throughout the world .
They consist of both the BELIEVING , HINT BELIEVING , cough cough , HINT BELIEVING
jews and gentiles . THOSE WHO TRULY BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIST are of Heavenly JERSUSALEM
THOSE who truly believe in CHRIST are OF TRUE ISRAEL . yes even the believing gentiles are grafted in amongst it .
TRUE ISRAEL are those OF JESUS CHRIST . FOR THOSE WHO ARE OF GOD are HIS PEOPLE .
DO be blessed my friend . THERE IS NO REPLACMENT THEOLOGY here . ITS just been
that the believing gentiles are now grafted in amongst the BELIEVING jews in ONE BODY , ONE ISRAEL
one NATION of GOD which is heavenly . BELIEVE YOU ME , AMERICA AINT ISRAEL AT ALL
rather it too , just as ALLLLL the other nations of the world INCLUDING the jewish one
ARE TRAPPED UNDER BONDAGE of BABYLONE ,QUEEN B ruleth over their minds and their hearts .
TIME WE PREACHED JESUS CHRIST to every thing that breathes air . AND always remember
JESUS is NOT the ministir of sin , SO dont expect him to be holding any rainbows or hundred dollah bills ya .
CAUSE that AINT JESUS .

 

[Davy]

Brethren in Christ, I haven't even gotten to the history about Jeremiah the prophet being legal guardian over the "king's daughters" per Jeremiah 43:6-7. Jeremiah, his scribe, and the "king's daughters" were taken to Tahpanhes, Egypt, to Pharaoh's palace, where the history of Jeremiah's commission supposedly ended.

So even though Zedekiah king of Judah of the house of David and all his son heirs were killed by Nebuchadnezzar, Zedekiah's daughters survived, and were under Jeremiah's care in Egypt.

Tahpanhes - Biblical City Where Prophet Jeremiah And King Zedekiah's Daughters Hid From The Babylonians - Ancient Pages

Ellen Lloyd - AncientPages.com - Tahpanhes was once an important city to the people of the Kingdom of Judah and ancient Egyptians.

www.ancientpages.com

Per Jeremiah 1:10, God told Jeremiah that He chose him to pull down overthrow nations, but also to build and plant.

Jer 1:10
10 See, I have this day set thee over the nations and over the kingdoms, to root out, and to pull down, and to destroy, and to throw down, to build, and to plant.
KJV

That "to root out, and to pull down, and to destroy, and to throw down" part of Jeremiah's commission given him by God ended when Jerusalem was destroyed by the king of Babylon, and Jeremiah and those with him were taken to Egypt, at Taphanhes where they drop out of secular history, sort of. That "to build, and to plant" part of Jeremiah's commission is hardly if ever discussed in the Church.

So did God lie... to Jeremiah about his given commission, regarding that "to build, and to plant" portion he was to fulfill? That definitely is how the 'false' Jews would like for us to believe, but the reality is that in writings in the Christian west exist mention of 'pharaoh's daughter' in The Annals of the Four Masters, an ancient written history in Ireland.

See the following link for more about the history of the "king's daughters", rightful heirs of David's throne, with Jeremiah's commission "to build, and to plant", preserving David's throne on earth unto all generations as God promised David.

The Biblical Identity of Britain’s Royal Family: Part 2

As we saw in part 1, God promised to Israel’s King David an enduring dynasty that would still exist in our time. Putting together biblical prophecies and history, we can see what happened to that dynasty—discovering the remarkable connection to the throne of Great Britain and its amazing future.

www.ucg.org

 

[Davy]

Dont let this fool you my friend .
GOD did NOT move HIS ISRAEL TO the WEST .
Rather NOT ALL ISRAEL is truly OF ISRAEL . the lambs are scattered throughout the world .
They consist of both the BELIEVING , HINT BELIEVING , cough cough , HINT BELIEVING
jews and gentiles . THOSE WHO TRULY BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIST are of Heavenly JERSUSALEM
THOSE who truly believe in CHRIST are OF TRUE ISRAEL . yes even the believing gentiles are grafted in amongst it .
TRUE ISRAEL are those OF JESUS CHRIST . FOR THOSE WHO ARE OF GOD are HIS PEOPLE .
DO be blessed my friend . THERE IS NO REPLACMENT THEOLOGY here . ITS just been
that the believing gentiles are now grafted in amongst the BELIEVING jews in ONE BODY , ONE ISRAEL
one NATION of GOD which is heavenly . BELIEVE YOU ME , AMERICA AINT ISRAEL AT ALL
rather it too , just as ALLLLL the other nations of the world INCLUDING the jewish one
ARE TRAPPED UNDER BONDAGE of BABYLONE ,QUEEN B ruleth over their minds and their hearts .
TIME WE PREACHED JESUS CHRIST to every thing that breathes air . AND always remember
JESUS is NOT the ministir of sin , SO dont expect him to be holding any rainbows or hundred dollah bills ya .
CAUSE that AINT JESUS .

The Jews don't like that Biblical Truth either though, about God's true Israel concept being of The Spirit in Jesus Christ. They only want to believe that 'they' only, the Jews, represent Israel.

The Biblical fact is that those of the "house of Judah", the Jews, still today represent... part of God's Israel, but notice I said a "part" of God's Israel. The history of 1 Kings 11 to 2 Kings 17 reveals this simply.

Today then, there are actually TWO 'nations' of ISRAEL. One is in the middle east called the nation of Israel, but the other Israel is in the Christian west but not called Israel. Yet it also is God's Israel, but under Jesus Christ, of both believing Israelites of the seed and believing Gentiles, as one body. And that's where God's Birthright Blessings were transferred to, including David's throne which also is part of God's Birthright (1 Chronicles 5).

When Lord Jesus Christ returns, only BELIEVERS ON HIM of the "house of Judah" in the nation of Israel in the middle east will be fit for eternal life through Jesus Christ. Once the spiritual blindness God put upon those Jews in the nation of Israel is removed at Christ's return, they too MUST confess Jesus of Nazareth as God's Promised Savior in order to be saved. Only by FAITH on God's Promise first given to Abraham may we be saved. And that Promise is The Gospel of Jesus Christ (Galatians 3; Romans 4).

When Christ fulfills the Ezekiel 37 prophecy of the joining of the two 'houses' back together in final, represented by the joining to those 2 sticks there, the following will be said...

Ezek 37:22
22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:
KJV

 

[amigo de christo]

The Jews don't like that Biblical Truth either though, about God's true Israel concept being of The Spirit in Jesus Christ. They only want to believe that 'they' only, the Jews, represent Israel.

The Biblical fact is that those of the "house of Judah", the Jews, still today represent... part of God's Israel, but notice I said a "part" of God's Israel. The history of 1 Kings 11 to 2 Kings 17 reveals this simply.

Today then, there are actually TWO 'nations' of ISRAEL. One is in the middle east called the nation of Israel, but the other Israel is in the Christian west but not called Israel. Yet it also is God's Israel, but under Jesus Christ, of both believing Israelites of the seed and believing Gentiles, as one body. And that's where God's Birthright Blessings were transferred to, including David's throne which also is part of God's Birthright (1 Chronicles 5).

When Lord Jesus Christ returns, only BELIEVERS ON HIM of the "house of Judah" in the nation of Israel in the middle east will be fit for eternal life through Jesus Christ. Once the spiritual blindness God put upon those Jews in the nation of Israel is removed at Christ's return, they too MUST confess Jesus of Nazareth as God's Promised Savior in order to be saved. Only by FAITH on God's Promise first given to Abraham may we be saved. And that Promise is The Gospel of Jesus Christ (Galatians 3; Romans 4).

When Christ fulfills the Ezekiel 37 prophecy of the joining of the two 'houses' back together in final, represented by the joining to those 2 sticks there, the following will be said...

Ezek 37:22
22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:
KJV

WHEN JESUS returns you say , WHEN JESUS returns both unbelieving jew and gentile GONNA WAIL pard .
GONNA WAIL under the wrath of ALL MIGHTY GOD . better we get back to the original life saving gospel
And real fast too . My advice lets boot to the curb what men have taught and rather get nose deep and brow buried into that bible again
FOR OURSELVES .

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

No one will be saved by their 'flesh' birth, according to Apostle Paul.

As far as God transferring His Birthright Blessings to Christ's Church, you best get used to it, because ONLY those who believe on Jesus of Nazareth as The Christ-Messiah can have eternal life.

Since you do not appear to understand that, then it suggests you are not really a Christian, but something else that has come here to post on a Christian forum.

This is all pretty hilarious!

I never said anyone would be saved by their 'flesh' birth, nor did I say that one could be saved in any other way except thru Jesus.

What I'm saying is God made a promise to Abraham to bless his seed (the Jewish people) and God has not given up on the Jewish people because of that solemn promise which He will never break so the Body of Christ has not replaced Israel

Some who claim God now hates the descendants of Abraham are supporting the muzlim palestianians in their quest to murder all Jews along with all other muzlims who support this satanic nonsense. In the US, the liberal baby killing sexual perverts (democrats) have fallen in with the muzlims to demand the extermination of the Jews parroting their boy Hitler!

The Lord said those that curse the Jews will be cursed so I hope this is not you! If it is, then you in for a rude awakening as this puts you in direct opposition to Jesus as and adversary of the Lord.

 

[Davy]

WHEN JESUS returns you say , WHEN JESUS returns both unbelieving jew and gentile GONNA WAIL pard .
GONNA WAIL under the wrath of ALL MIGHTY GOD . better we get back to the original life saving gospel
And real fast too . My advice lets boot to the curb what men have taught and rather get nose deep and brow buried into that bible again
FOR OURSELVES .

What I was showing is in The Bible, Romans 11:24-36 and Zechariah 12 and Luke 23:27-30.

 

[Davy]

This is all pretty hilarious! View attachment 38909

I never said anyone would be saved by their 'flesh' birth, nor did I say that one could be saved in any other way except thru Jesus.

What I'm saying is God made a promise to Abraham to bless his seed (the Jewish people) and God has not given up on the Jewish people because of that solemn promise which He will never break so the Body of Christ has not replaced Israel

Some who claim God now hates the descendants of Abraham are supporting the muzlim palestianians in their quest to murder all Jews along with all other muzlims who support this satanic nonsense. In the US, the liberal baby killing sexual perverts (democrats) have fallen in with the muzlims to demand the extermination of the Jews parroting their boy Hitler!

The Lord said those that curse the Jews will be cursed so I hope this is not you! If it is, then you in for a rude awakening as this puts you in direct opposition to Jesus as and adversary of the Lord.

And what I'm saying is FROM God's Word directly, but what you are saying is not!

The MAJORITY of the children of Israel were made up of the northern ten tribes, and did NOT use the title of Jew which came from the sole tribe of JUDAH which dwelt in the south. God split the old nation of Israel in Solomon's days per 1 Kings 11 forward, and HE made the "KINGDOM OF ISRAEL" under Jeroboam of the tribe of EPHRAIM, over the TEN NORTHERN TRIBES OF ISRAEL that were in the northern part of the land...



The KINGDOM OF JUDAH was in the southern part of the lands after that split. And THEY made up the ones who called theirselves JEWS. God then later REMOVED all TEN NORTHERN TRIBES OF ISRAEL out of the land, captive to Assyria and the lands of the Medes. DID YOU GET THAT INTO YOUR BRAIN, DID YOU UNDERSTAND THAT? IT IS IN YOUR BIBLE! TRY READING IT!

So what do you think happened with the JEWS still left in the southern part of the lands, since God didn't yet remove them when the TEN NORTHERN TRIBES were taken captive? Those of the KINGDOM OF JUDAH remained, and from the tribe of JUDAH, called theirself JEWS. That... is where the name JEW originated, NOT from the MAJORITY of the children of ISRAEL which was represented by the NORTHERN TEN TRIBES OF THE KINGDOM OF ISRAEL! You CANNOT call the LOST TEN TRIBES which God scattered first by that title of JEW, because that title ONLY belonged to those of the SOUTHERN KINGDOM OF JUDAH!


Even the Jewish historian Josephus (100 A.D.) supported this Biblical fact that the "Jews" represent a PART of the children of Israel...

Nehemiah the prophet speaking according to Josephus:

"He also called together all the people to Jerusalem, and stood in the midst of the temple, and made the following speech to them: "You know, O Jews, that God hath kept our fathers, Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in mind continually, and for the sake of their righteousness hath not left off the care of you. Indeed he hath assisted me in gaining this authority of the king to raise up our wall, and finish what is wanting of the temple. I desire you, therefore who well know the ill-will our neighboring nations bear to us, and that when once they are made sensible that we are in earnest about building, they will come upon us, and contrive many ways of obstructing our works, that you will, in the first place, put your trust in God, as in him that will assist us against their hatred, and to intermit building neither night nor day, but to use all diligence, and to hasten on the work, now we have this especial opportunity for it." When he had said this, he gave order that the rulers should measure the wall, and part the work of it among the people, according to their villages and cities, as every one's ability should require. And when he had added this promise, that he himself, with his servants, would assist them, he dissolved the assembly. So the Jews prepared for the work: that is the name they are called by from the day that they came up from Babylon, which is taken from the tribe of Judah, which came first to these places, and thence both they and the country gained that appellation."
(The Antiquities of the Jews, by Flavius Josephus, translated by William Whiston, Book XI, Chapter 5, paragraph 7)

THE MAJORITY OF THE TEN NORTHERN TRIBES TO THIS DAY, HAVE NEVER RETURNED BACK TO THE HOLY LAND. THEY ARE STILL... SCATTERED AMONG THE GENTILES TO THIS DAY, AND MOST OF THEM DO NOT EVEN KNOW THEY HAVE A HERITAGE FROM OLD ISRAEL. AND THEY MADE UP THE MAJORITY OF THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL. NOR CAN YOU CALL THEM JEWS THAT MADE UP THE KINGDOM OF JUDAH.

You would know all this IF... you had read and knew your Bible history, instead of blabbing confusion about things you know nothing about!

 

[Davy]

GOD did NOT move HIS ISRAEL TO the WEST .

What I was trying to say, and whether you agree or not, because God's Word agrees with what I showed.

God DID... move HIS ISRAEL TO the WEST.

If you listen to all the hype and misuse of titles for the NORTHERN KINGDOM OF ISRAEL, then you won't understand how that move happened. Christ's Church has nothing to do with the idea of a GENTILE CHURCH. Christ's Church involves BOTH ISRAELITES OF THE SEED, AND GENTILES, TOGETHER, AS ONE BODY UNDER CHRIST JESUS.

Does that have to mean Christ's Church is SEPARATED FROM GOD'S PROMISES AND COVENANTS TO THE SEED OF ISRAEL? God forbid, NO! Thinking that is what will CLOUD YOUR MIND from understanding how GOD scattered the MAJORITY OF THE SEED OF ISRAEL to Asia Minor and Europe (i.e., to the WEST), and there... THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST WOULD TAKE HOLD ON NATIONAL SCALES.

The ONLY LOCATION ON EARTH that fits God's Promise to JACOB that his seed would become "A COMPANY OF NATIONS", and to EPHRAIM that his seed would become "A MULTITUDE OF NATIONS", is by God having SCATTERED THE MAJORITY OF THE TRIBES OF ISRAEL TO THE WEST, AND THERE THEY BECAME THE WESTERN CHRISTIAN NATIONS OF HISTORY.

So if all that goes against what you've been taught, you might want to read more of your Bible history about the matter.

 

[Truthnightmare]

1 - Have the Jews blessed all the nations of the earth. Genesis, 12:3: 22:18?

2 - Have the Jews ever been circumcised in heart? Deut. 10:16: 30:6; Rom. 2:28, 29: Phil. 3:3; Co. 2:9, 11.

3 - Have the Jews ever glorified Jesus Christ? Has Christ been recognized by the Jewish nation? Isaiah 41:16; Luke 1:32; 7:16.

4 - Do the Jews declare that Christ is the GOD of Israel of the Old Testament? Isaiah 43:10-12; 44:8; 49:3, 6; 52:6: Acts 1:8.

5 - Do the Jews show forth the praise of Jesus Christ? Isaiah 43:21.

6 - Have the Jews carried the gospel to all the world? Have they witnessed for Jesus Christ? Have they opened the Bible for the world? Gen. 28:14; Isa. 43:10; 44:21; 49:3, 6; Acts 1:8. Who has carried the Word of God into all the world? Who has published the Bible, or portions of it in over 1,000 language', and dialects? Who has been responsible for over 95% of all the world missionary activity? Which nations of the earth have based their laws on God's laws? There is only one answer and you know it. It has been the United States of America and the British Commonwealth.

7 - Do the Jews have God's Spirit and the Word of God in their mouth and their uttermost being? Isaiah 59:21. Oh no, my Christian friend, their religion is based on a heathen book called the Babylonian Talmud, which repudiates everything the Bible teaches. It is the work of Satan himself.

8 - Was the New Covenant written only to the Jews? The Bible states that it was made with the House of Israel and the House of Judah. Jer. 31:33; Hebrews 8:8-10; Matt. 26:28.​

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11 - Is Jesus being glorified in the Jews? Isa. 49:3; Rom 8:28, 29; 11:1, 2; 9:4. Always remember, there is a vast difference made in Scripture between Israelites and Jews. They are not one and the same, as your preachers have told you. To say they are is "intellectual dishonesty'' of the worst sort!

12 - Are the Jews the SERVANTS of God? Isa.41:8; 43:10; 49:3. The Jewish leaders them-selves say that their God is "materialism." They do not believe in the God of the Bible and their Talmud repudiates the God of Abraham. Isaac and Jacob.

13 - Are the Jews a Holy Nation, a Chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a peculiar people? (The word peculiar means: "set aside for a special purpose.") Ex. 19:5, 6; 1 Peter 2:9, 10; 1:1, 2. Notice especially, how Peter addresses his Epistle "To the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Asia, and Bithtnia," in others words Asia Minor. These were not Jews, but Israelites.

14- Are the Jews the great characters mentioned in the "faith chapter" of the Bible, Hebrews) 11? Abel was not a Jew, neither Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Jacob, Sarah, Isaac, Joseph, Moses, Gideon, Barak, Samson, David, Samuel. None of these were Jews. There were no people known by the name of Jews, until 2 Kings 16:6, where the name is used for the first time. This was in 742 B.C. at least 1,100 years after the death of Abraham. Oh I know that your pastor has called Moses a Jew, but this is not what the Bible says.

15 - Are the Jews a "righteous nation?" Isa. 26:2. If you will honestly check the record of history, you will find that the Jews have always been a wicked, unrighteous people. They have not been persecuted because Satan hates them, as Jerry Falwell will tell you, for John 8:44 tells us that thy are of "their father the devil." Satan will not persecute his own children. The Jews have been kicked out of every nation in Europe at some time or other and always for the same reason. Their wickedness, their avarice, and their greed. I challenge you to look at every evil which is destroying America, which is strangling our freedom and at the top you will find Jewish names in charge. This has been the indictment of all history against these evil people they never have been a "righteous nation."

16 - Are the Jews bringing forth the "fruits of the Kingdom of God?" Hosea 14:8; Matt. 21:43. In the Matthew passage, Jesus speaking to the Jews clearly states that the "kingdom of God (this refers to God's earthly Kingdom) shall he taken from you (JEWS) and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof." Certainly the ungodly crew which is now in Palestine, is not bringing forth ''the fruits of the Kingdom.

17- Are the Jews kind to strangers? Lev. 19:33, 34; Matt. 25:31-46. Today in Palestine, if are not a Jew, you have no rights in the nation of Israeli. A Christian has no rights and a foreigner, unless he is one of the gullible Christians who is being brainwashed by a visit to the Holy Land, is treated as dirt under the feet of the Israeli.

18 - Are the Jews called the "sons of the living God?" Hosea 1:10. They have absolutely no right to this title.

19 - Do the Jews tell us that they are "not God's People?" Hosea 1:10. No, they boast that they are God's Chosen and that is why they have the right to the Land of Palestine. But the Bible says: "in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God."

20 - Do the Jews have all of God's Word? Romans 9:3-5; Ps. 147:19, 20; Deut. 33:4. The Jews do not have the Laws of Moses, for they have been superseded by the heathen Babylonian Talmud, which is the Jew's Bible.

21 - Are the Jews a great and mighty nation? Gen. 18:18. They number less than 3-million in Palestine and more Jew's are leaving than are coming in.

22 - Are the Jews today as innumerable as the stars of the heaven and the sands of the sea? Of course not. They number about 16-million, the same number as were alive in the time of Solomon.

23 - Do the Jew's "possess the gates of their enemies?" Gen. 22:17; 24:60. Of course they don't. They do not control the Suez Canal, or the Straits of Gibraltar. They control only a tiny bit of real estate in Palestine. They would collapse within six months if the United States did not underwrite them. Their own leaders admit that it is our aid that keeps them alive.

24 - Are the Jews a nation and a company of nations? Gen. 35:11; 48:19. The Zionist State in Palestine does not represent all Jews world-wide and it is certainly not a "company of nations." The only group that qualifies here is the Anglo-Saxon and related peoples.

25 - Are the Jew's above all people on the face of the earth? Deut. 7:6; 12:2; Ps. 135:4; Amos 3:2. There is no question that they would like to be. Their leaders for centuries have preached Jewish superiority. But today they are struggling to stay alive.

26 - Are the Jews now or have they ever been "God's battle axe?" Num. 24:8, 9; Isa. 41:15, 16; Jer. 51:20-23. The "true Israel" of God was to be a group of nations which would always war against evil. This has never been true of the Jews, they have always been the source of world evil. If you don't want to accept this, I challenge you to look at the names of those who were behind the Communist Revolution; over 90% were Russian Jews. (Interestingly enough - Jew's who had not one drop of Abraham's blood flowing in their veins, as is the case of the vast majority of those who are now in Palestine.)

27 - Have the Jews had an earthly king down through the centuries, who has been of the lineage of David? If they are Israel, the Bible says there must be a Davidic king among them somewhere. Ps. 89:27-29, 35-37; Jer. 33.17.They have not had a king since Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 A.D. But there is a people who have had royalty dating back to David. Whether you are willing to accept it or not; they can be found in the British royal family. You or your pastor may not want to accept this, but the proof is in the archives in London.

28 - Are the Jews called today through Isaac? (The word Saxons, is a derivative of the Hebrew words which means "sons of Isaac.") Gen. 21:12; Amos 7:16; Rom. 9:7; Heb. 11:18.

29 - Do today's Jews claim to have lost their identity? Hosea 1:9, 10; 2:6; Isa. 1:3; 42:19; Deut. 32:26; Jer. 50:6, 7; Hosea 8:8; 9:17. The Jews brag that they are God's Chosen People but the Bible says that very few' of "true Israel" will realize who they are.

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[amigo de christo]

What I was trying to say, and whether you agree or not, because God's Word agrees with what I showed.

God DID... move HIS ISRAEL TO the WEST.

If you listen to all the hype and misuse of titles for the NORTHERN KINGDOM OF ISRAEL, then you won't understand how that move happened. Christ's Church has nothing to do with the idea of a GENTILE CHURCH. Christ's Church involves BOTH ISRAELITES OF THE SEED, AND GENTILES, TOGETHER, AS ONE BODY UNDER CHRIST JESUS.

Does that have to mean Christ's Church is SEPARATED FROM GOD'S PROMISES AND COVENANTS TO THE SEED OF ISRAEL? God forbid, NO! Thinking that is what will CLOUD YOUR MIND from understanding how GOD scattered the MAJORITY OF THE SEED OF ISRAEL to Asia Minor and Europe (i.e., to the WEST), and there... THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST WOULD TAKE HOLD ON NATIONAL SCALES.

The ONLY LOCATION ON EARTH that fits God's Promise to JACOB that his seed would become "A COMPANY OF NATIONS", and to EPHRAIM that his seed would become "A MULTITUDE OF NATIONS", is by God having SCATTERED THE MAJORITY OF THE TRIBES OF ISRAEL TO THE WEST, AND THERE THEY BECAME THE WESTERN CHRISTIAN NATIONS OF HISTORY.

So if all that goes against what you've been taught, you might want to read more of your Bible history about the matter.

Tug pull and grab ahold of them ears my friend . For you are not listening .
I already know what happened to natural israel and HOW GOD did scatter the jews throughout the lands and surrounding nations .
THERE is only hope and one name , only one Kingdom , one KING and one HIGH PRIEST
who can indeed gather them . AMERICA aint israel . heck most of ISRAEL , natural location , AINT ISRAEL .
And its about HIGH TIME we preached again THAT NAME . OH IT IS the NAME given by which GOD would save
the jews and the gentiles . By which GOD would have SPIRITUAL ISRAEL and TRUE SPIRITUAL JERUSALEM .
IT is a name often used and abused , it is a name often now seen by many by guise of false love
as no longer having to be believed IN . THE KINGDOM one need to seek , the true israel
the true high priest one needs to behold , the TRUE KING one needs , WHO actually IS THE TEMPLE .
NOW ITS TIME WE PREACHED JESUS CHRIST AGAIN and stopped worrying about some kind of end time awakening
WHICH AINT GONNA EVER HAPPEN . NOT IF WE BELIEVE JESUS anway . FALLING AWAY is all that is
and is growing NOW . BUT that dont mean some souls still cant be saved . WORRY NOT about the times
and seasons the FATHER has put into his own hands , GET THE TRUE GOSPEL OUT , THE TRUE JESUS CHRIST OUT
cause THERE JUST AINT NO OTHER HOPE gonna save . JUST a friendly reminder davy .

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

And what I'm saying is FROM God's Word directly, but what you are saying is not!

And of course opinions are like belly buttons... everybody has one!

You would know all this IF... you had read and knew your Bible history, instead of blabbing confusion about things you know nothing about!

All 12 tribes are descendants of Abraham (whether they go by "Jews" or not) and God promised Abraham He would bless His descendants... hang in there bud, you'll learn the truth someday!