Benoni
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These are not my verse; I did not write then they are God’s Word. If verses do not make our doctrine what does? The Pope, the Catholic Church, man’s tradition? I am off topic is a cop-out; you do not want to hear it because you’re faith is in some manmade doctrine that you cannot see thought. You have never connected the dots on Satan being Lucifer; Lucifer is not even a Hebrew word. Does this mean anything to you? You’re defense is based on what you have been taught; just like the Jews during Jesus day where you’re traditions make the word of God no effect. You cannot even find Lucifer in the Hebrew language the language the OT was written in; but you hang onto that name like it Jesus’ name. Yes God has always been here; but angel; demons, Satan are created by God. God is the one who controls all things not this great big bad devil you claim pulled the wool over God’s eyes (if God had eyes). Yes he created Lucifer too; but Lucifer was never the devil and you cannot give me one verse to prove he was; just you’re assumptions. Beginning of what? Beginning of Satan nothing else matters. No assuming of Satan’s beginning; that is what the word means beginning of source. God says who was perfect? Satan was a liar, a murderer, a waster a destroyer; that is far from perfect. Do you really thing God would create something and then loose control of His creation; I think not. I really do not know when God created Satan; all I know was he was a liar a murderer from his beginning; anything else is assumption. You totally lack seeing God’s plan; How can you see God's plan youre to caught up in youre assumptions. Show me one verse based on Satan’s beginnings as an arch angel and not based on you’re assumption or some dead religious systems assumptions’
Christina;71938 said:Benoni listen to Mike your verses prove nothing I never said there was two beginnings the way you say Its your lack to get Gods entire plan that you cant understand it ....Your verses do not disprove anything I said they go ...to other whole subject which I dont think you will get. And have no intention off getting into with you Its completly off topic in a whole other direction The fact that Isa. says God created the waster ... So what he did create Satan ...He just created Lucifer perfect because of his sin he fell God is all knowing you dont think he knew this was going to happen of course he did he still created him perfect and it was his own choice to let his pride take him over it still doesnt change anything I said ... Do you think there was no God no Angels before this earth age began ...Im not saying Satan had two beginning I am saying he was created perfect fell before this earth age even began ..You are reading your own meaning into the verse ..He was from the begining.... begining of what ??? Your assuming this means Satans begining Thats a wrong assumption on your part and not written ... God says he was created perfect ....So that disproves your assumption the begining is not refering to Satans creation... begining of this earth age that is the begining he is refering to ... Now I have no doubt you will disagree .. But you are wrong on this whole subject Same person he was perfect he fell ... Then On the first day God said there let there be light Satan existed then None of these verses you keep giving are rightly applied or change what I said its your lack to see Gods plan ... because your own belief wont let you see ... nothing we can say will change your mind .. But these verse cause no contradiction do not change one iota of what I said do not disprove the scripture ...Its your understanding that causes you to wrongly think they do....