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Well, in fact it should be the pastor's expectation and privilege to suffer for Christ. I agree with your assessment of the situation. I think his arrest was unjust, but I would be suspicious if he didn't get arrested. I think the other businesses should follow his lead and they should all get arrested in protest. Or perhaps if they all acted in unison and unity, none of them would be arrested and this whole thing can be over. Where are the manly men?


Think about this...making it commonplace for people entering a BANK, a GUN SHOP, to be wearing a MASK.....LOL
 
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Ah ha. So, you can dictate how one should communicate, according to you.
Nope... but I will call a person on it if they speak for more than themselves.
and NOPE... no sympathy for anyone who has gone against the mandates at this time.
 

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Do we quarantine the healthy or the sick? Is this really a health crisis? If this isn't the work of antichristian bureaucrats, I don't know what is. Does man live by bread alone?
Hello @CadyandZoe

The authorities guard the vulnerable by whatever means are deemed necessary to preserve life, and defeat this disease which is taking the lives of so many.

A building has been closed, so what! It is only a building. Our fellowship is with the Father and with the Son, by the Spirit, and with each other as opportunity affords. So, be thankful. Rejoice in God. Pray for those in authority, and do all that you can to assist those who have such difficult decisions to make, and help those whose livelihoods are being impacted by the closing of businesses, as a consequence of the restrictions having to be imposed.

God's Word is the bread upon which we feed, and the closing of a building will not interfere with that. The power of the gospel message has not lost it's power to save. The power with which Christ was raised from the dead is the same power by which we are kept, and the power of prayer is immense. So live looking for the appearing of your Saviour, and rejoice in all things.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 

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Well, in fact it should be the pastor's expectation and privilege to suffer for Christ. I agree with your assessment of the situation. I think his arrest was unjust, but I would be suspicious if he didn't get arrested. I think the other businesses should follow his lead and they should all get arrested in protest. Or perhaps if they all acted in unison and unity, none of them would be arrested and this whole thing can be over. Where are the manly men?
Hello @DayandZoe,

Is this what the writers of the Epistles exhorted those under their care to do, in the face of the opposition they were receiving? I think a reading of the practical section of each of the epistles would be good to read in regard to how we should behave in this present situation. I know one thing for sure, it would not be what you are saying in this post.

They were facing such dreadful opposition, imprisonment, torture and death, yet they were told to live at peace with all men. For they recognised that this world is not their home, that they are just passing through, that their citizenship was of another country, God Himself their Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ their Saviour, Lord and Head. They would seek to so behave as to bring honour and glory to Them. Rejoice in all things and live looking for the appearing of the Saviour, and for their hope to come.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 

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Well, in fact it should be the pastor's expectation and privilege to suffer for Christ. I agree with your assessment of the situation. I think his arrest was unjust, but I would be suspicious if he didn't get arrested. I think the other businesses should follow his lead and they should all get arrested in protest. Or perhaps if they all acted in unison and unity, none of them would be arrested and this whole thing can be over. Where are the manly men?
'For it is better, if the will of God be so,
that ye suffer for well doing, than for evil doing.'

(1 Peter 3:17)

'Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake:
whether it be to the king, as supreme;
Or unto governors,
as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers,
and for the praise of them that do well.
For so is the will of God,
that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men:
As free, and not using your liberty for a cloke of maliciousness,
but as the servants of God.
Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God.
Honour the king.'

(1 Peter 2:13)
 
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Hello @DayandZoe,

Is this what the writers of the Epistles exhorted those under their care to do, in the face of the opposition they were receiving? I think a reading of the practical section of each of the epistles would be good to read in regard to how we should behave in this present situation. I know one thing for sure, it would not be what you are saying in this post.

They were facing such dreadful opposition, imprisonment, torture and death, yet they were told to live at peace with all men. For they recognised that this world is not their home, that they are just passing through, that their citizenship was of another country, God Himself their Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ their Saviour, Lord and Head. They would seek to so behave as to bring honour and glory to Them. Rejoice in all things and live looking for the appearing of the Saviour, and for their hope to come.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
Charity,
I agree with your basic premise, i.e. be at peace with all men. However those among our study group, here where I live, are asking a very important question. When does peace with the world amount to agreement with the world? When is it time to remain silent, and when is it time to speak up? Jesus did both. He took chords and drove out the money-changers; he also allowed himself to be taken prisoner and crucified on a cross. I take from this that passive resistance is sometimes appropriate, while at other times active resistance is necessary.

This is why I suggested that the churches in that city gather at the church and sing hymns. Nothing violent about that.

I am reminded of the children's book by Dr. Seuss called "How the Grinch Stole Christmas", in which the Whos down in Whoville gathered to sing Christmas Carols, even after the Grinch stole everything in town. Perhaps the people of that city will come to realized that there is more to Christian worship than a building.

I also wrote that it was the pastor's privilege to suffer for Christ and if we are looking back to the first century I am reminded of the fact that Peter and Paul and others suffered arrest at the hands of the state for preaching the gospel.
 
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The authorities guard the vulnerable by whatever means are deemed necessary to preserve life, and defeat this disease which is taking the lives of so many.
No. This is what the "authorities" want people to believe so that they can continue with their daily deception, oppression, tyranny, and destruction.

So kindly pay close attention to what this medical doctor and surgeon has to say about the intransigence of the authorities in the face of actual honest evidence:

Alberta doctor says there’s ‘no logic’ to lockdowns, blasts ‘usurpations of people’s civil rights’

‘Premier, you and you alone can end the current destructive course, and in the process affirm yourself as a true leader in this time of crisis.’


EDMONTON, Alberta, April 8, 2021 (LifeSiteNews) — Alberta Premier Jason Kenney characterized a top doctor’s opposition to COVID-related restrictions as being backed by “demonstrably false” data. Now, Dr. Dennis Modry — who was one of the Alberta’s top heart surgeons, himself performing the province’s very first transplant in 1985 — blasted Kenney’s lockdowns, saying there’s “no logic to these usurpations of people’s civil rights.”


Last December, Modry wrote a letter to Kenney calling for an end to mask mandates and lockdowns. Modry’s letter was sent after the Alberta government announced severe COVID restrictions in December 2020. In his letter, he questioned the accuracy of commonly used COVID-19 PCR tests and said that the hospital system in Alberta was nowhere near being overwhelmed by COVID-19 patients.

Almost three months later, on March 15, Kenney finally responded to Modry’s letter with one of his own, sharply rebuking him. Kenney called his submitted evidence “false.” He wrote that Modry’s assertion that hospitals in the province were not near a breaking point “is demonstrably false,” saying that if left unchecked, Alberta hospitals would be overrun in late January.

On March 31, Modry fired back at Kenney’s March 15 letter, with a strong rebuke. “I accept your apology for your delay in responding, but not all Albertans accept your rationale for lockdowns given the evidence that refutes the necessity,” wrote Modry in his letter. “While we are both interested in the health and well-being of all Albertans, as your response implies, the purpose of my Dec 11, 2020 letter to you was to give you an off ramp from using lockdowns to contain COVID-19 based on new evidence. I am acutely aware that many in your caucus have been and still are advocating to hear an alternate narrative from professionals who disagree with your ‘Dr. Hinshaw-led Covid experts panel’ who convinced you to accept ‘conventional’, but misguided thinking on how to manage the ‘Covid flu.’”

Modry explained that currently, there is “more evidence to discredit lockdowns as a means to prevent Covid-19,” citing a recent international study from Stanford published January 5, 2021, in the European Journal of Clinical Investigation.

“Your 3rd paragraph asserts that you have ‘resisted imposing unnecessary restrictions on Albertans….’, but that is exactly what you did. You claimed there was a ‘significant threat to the capacity of our healthcare system’, which is debatable. You knew and admitted that you could increase ICU capacity from 272 beds to 1081 beds. By the 2020-year end there were only 156 patients in ICU’s diagnosed with Covid-19, of which the diagnosis of Covid-19 itself is questionable given the high incidence of false positives with PCR testing,” wrote Modry.

He went on to blast Kenney for apparently never questioning “the veracity of ‘lockdown dogma’” and ignoring “evidence to the contrary provided by esteemed physicians and scientists from many prestigious medical centers and universities around the world.” “Conventional thinking, Premier, is not always correct. Prior to 1982, ‘conventional thinking’ preached that gastric ulcers and gastritis were caused by hyperacidity. However, in 1982, Brent Marshall and Robin Warren from Australia provided evidence that the majority of peptic ulcer disease was actually caused by a bacterium, Helicobacter pylori,” wrote Modry.

He said that where Kenney “failed, and continue to fail,” is by applying “restrictions across the board to all Albertans, which has caused vastly more physical and economic harm than the Covid ‘flu’ ever could.” “How can you support taking asymptomatic people off flights to Alberta and putting them in ‘hotel jail’, especially since there is irrefutable evidence that there is trivial to no risk of asymptomatic individuals transmitting COVID-19? There is no logic to these usurpations of people’s civil rights,” wrote Modry.

He also questioned the narrative that COVID-19 mutations — or “variants,” as the government is calling them — will spell a disaster for the health care system, as touted by Alberta’s Chief Medical Officer Dr. Deena Hinshaw.

“Dr. Hinshaw’s-panel-of-experts will try and convince you that ‘another reason justifying lockdowns is that the virus has mutated, is more transmissible and possibly more lethal, and the spread must be stopped’. By now you must know that RNA viruses such as Covid-19 mutate all the time. That is why there is a new vaccine every year to treat seasonal flu,” wrote Modry.

“Further, there is no confirmed evidence yet that any new strain of Covid-19 is more or less lethal. But let’s assume that it is twice as lethal. This would mean that the mortality would increase from 0.03% to 0.06% for those under 70 years of age. Conversely, this also means that instead of survivability being 99.97%, survivability would negligibly decrease to 99.94%. Recent data reported in Nature on March 21, 2021, suggests that for males aged 55-69 years, the B117 variant is 55% more lethal, meaning that the mortality risk would increase from 0.6% to 0.9% with survival probability being 99.1%.”

In Alberta, the average age of a person whose death has been attributed to COVID-19 is 82 years of age, which is the average life expectancy in the province. Currently, there are 328 people in the hospital, with 76 in the ICU, attributed to COVID-19.

Modry brought this fact up in his letter, writing that Hinshaw and the government have “set” themselves up for future “class action lawsuits” due to what the restrictions have caused in collateral damage.

“You have set yourself, Dr. Hinshaw, the AHS, and your government up for class action lawsuits by all of those families who have lost loved ones, those whose conditions have deteriorated beyond curative medical intervention, those who have permanently lost quality of life, as well as the thousands of patients who could not access diagnostic studies, who will find that their illness is beyond life-saving curative treatment,” wrote Modry.

“Premier, you and you alone can end the current destructive course, and in the process affirm yourself as a true leader in this time of crisis.”

The Alberta government announced on Tuesday that it was going back into a stricter lockdown, citing rising COVID-19 “variant” cases.


Alberta doctor says there’s ‘no logic’ to lockdowns, blasts ‘usurpations of people’s civil rights’
 

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'For it is better, if the will of God be so,
that ye suffer for well doing, than for evil doing.'

(1 Peter 3:17)

'Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake:
whether it be to the king, as supreme;
Or unto governors,
as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers,
and for the praise of them that do well.
For so is the will of God,
that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men:
As free, and not using your liberty for a cloke of maliciousness,
but as the servants of God.
Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God.
Honour the king.'

(1 Peter 2:13)
I agree with this scripture Charity. And I very much appreciate you pointing this out. Nonetheless, I am compelled to consider whether Peter has placed a qualification on his admonition when he states the purpose of government? We should submit ourselves to the government as long as the government is doing the will of God, i.e. punishing the wicked and rewarding the good? What if a dictator or a government enforces anti-human, anti-life, and profoundly immoral and wicked rules? It seems to me that Peter wouldn't ask us to submit to any government that has abdicated its God-given responsibility to punish evildoers to become the evildoers they are supposed to punish?

What do you think?
 

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Another newer clip of the Canadian spokesperson of Rebel.com interviewed by Alex Jones concerning the thread title and OP

Great interview....

Canadian Totalitarian State Seizes Control, Muzzles Churches

Alex wants this 'Church' in Edmonton, Alberta to be the Christian woodstock..to get thousands out there near the property...
 
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There you go again... telling others how to think and feel...

Pastor Coates spent that time in jail because he refused to follow the mandates for large crowd gatherings... Why should he be spared penalty for breaking the law when so many other small businesses are suffering horrendous loss but STILL obeying the law??? I have no sympathy for this kind of thing.

The whole point is that the rules are not consistent.
There are different rules for different institutions and different businesses.
It's ok to run around with 200 people in Costco stores and Walmarts, and touch the merchandise.
It's not ok to sit in church, 5 feet apart.
 
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It is really time to grow up and stop behaving like badly behaved children whose toys have been taken away from them.

Get off your high horse Charity.

I have no problem with rules, as long as they are consistent.
I also DO NOT deny the virus.
Apply the rules to ALL and not just religious institutions.
 

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Good. Part of loving thy neighbour is respecting health measures designed to keep highly contagious diseases from infecting each other.
Need to take the Koolaide away from you. You're drunk as you are acting like the new medical tyrannical gestapo...respecting health measures do you...and you know what all this really means....not!
 

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Canada is a little ahead of the US into this medical tyranny. When will this fake fear and threats stop with medical authorities being judge and jury. Where is the Constitutional Law anymore for 'free' people. Where is the push back...Lawlessness abounds under illegitimate authorities.

It is sad to see these Christians and their congregations being persecuted by heathens.
It's been said, We're too nice!

It's also been said that evil triumphs when good men do nothing.

I keep asking myself . . . what will it take for that pushback to come?

I live in California, the Socialist test tube of the nation. I suspect we've remained a red state but for election fraud over the past 2 decades. What will it take? And will it be too late?

Much love!
 
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Good. Part of loving thy neighbour is respecting health measures designed to keep highly contagious diseases from infecting each other.
Check out the research on lockdowns. They do not significantly affect Covid contagion outcomes. Part of loving thy neighbor is to build them up in the most holy faith.

If it's true that lockdowns prevent the spread, that's one thing. The CDC says they don't. So why are the rulers killing economies, and people's ability to put food on their table, why are they preventing families from being together, churches from meeting?

The disease makes the rounds whether we lockdown or not.

You are witnessing Marxist Socialism in "takeover" mode.

Much love!
 
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I am in Canada.

Our church has been closed for a long time.
Now we are allowed to meet in the parking lot with masks on.
So much for THAT.

What's the use.

Instead we go to town with some fellow Christians and hand out coffee and food to street people.
Done this now for 3 weeks on sunday.

Fed up with elders and pastors bowing down to government.
Have not had contact with elders or pastors for months now.
That sounds fantastic!

Much love!