Ronald Nolette
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And just what is the Truth to you? there are truths and then there is truth. what is truth to you?Yes, Truth is objective and un changing.
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And just what is the Truth to you? there are truths and then there is truth. what is truth to you?Yes, Truth is objective and un changing.
Of course. But unfortunately the Quran has been taken completely out of context by the majority just as the Bible has.So as I do not misunderstand you- You think one can be a faithful Muslim and know truth personally?
You calim to be Christian but deny the very Christ you say you follow.Of course. But unfortunately the Quran has been taken completely out of context by the majority just as the Bible has.
We see things differently.You calim to be Christian but deny the very Christ you say you follow.
Sorry but Jesus ruled out anyone or anything else to save other than HImself!
No one can go to the Father except through Jesus! You cannot get there by being a JW or Muslim, Buddhist, Janist, Animist, or anyother religion but Jesus.
It's one death. Adam lived in his body. He died the moment God prevented him from eating of the tree of life and living forever. Physical death/decay is merely the proof of death.That's 2 Deaths.
It's one death. Adam lived in his body. He died the moment God prevented him from eating of the tree of life and living forever. Physical death/decay is merely the proof of death.
The first lie was that Adam, who was connected with God and living forever, eating of the tree of life at the time, would never die."2nd" = FINAL., ENDLESS..... Eternal.
The first lie was that Adam, who was connected with God and living forever, eating of the tree of life at the time, would never die.
Only Christ has eternal life in Himself.
The above is about Adam and the children of Adam having everlasting life in Christ, who alone has eternal life in Himself.Fullness of the Gentiles..
If you are very familiar with the NT, (Paul's Doctrine) then i wont need to post chapter, verse, version, and color of the ink for you.
Here you go.
1.) "God is A Spirit"
2.) "Christ is THAT Spirit"
3.) "The Holy Spirit".
4.) "Christ IN YOU, the hope of Glory"
5.) "Temple of the Holy Spirit", = the Born Again Believer.
6.) "If you have not the Holy Spirit in you, then you are none of God's".
7.) "In Christ" = "One with God".
8.) Jesus said...>"i and my Father, are ONE"..... "God is A Spirit".
9.) Jesus said..>"If you've SEEN ME.....You've SEEN the Father",.......... and "God is a Spirit".
10.) "Jesus Breathed on the Apostles and said Receive you the HOLY Spirit".
11.) "God Breathed into Adam, and Adam became a Living Soul".
Problem.) = When Adam sinned, His spiritual Union with God, who is '""A Spirit""", was broken.
Solution.). The 2nd ADAM, who is Jesus THE Lord, came to restore us to "One with God", = Born again Spiritually, as "In Christ".
How? = THE CROSS OF CHRIST
Welcome to : SALVATION
Its a "gift".
But how's the above got anything to do with the 2nd death, which is the subject you've been arguing about?
So you're saying that Paul meant that Adam's deaths (plural) brought deaths (plural) to all men? Did Christ have to rise from the dead twice, then?As i explained....
Adam is the fall of us all, he brought us into :
1.) Spiritual Separation from God = "death" in the Spirit" which is to be disconnected from God, who is "A Spirit"= the Holy Spirit.
2.) Physical death. You are going to die., because of Adam the 1st.
So you're saying that Paul meant that Adam's deaths (plural) brought deaths (plural) to all men? Did Christ have to rise from the dead twice, then?
Is life experienced in the body, do you think?Paul teaches..
As i explained..
Romans 5
""""Wherefore, as by one man ADAM the 1st... sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:"""
""""For if through the offence of one (Adam #1) many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many."""
This GRACE is "forgiveness of sin", and restoration of Spiritual Union, that is the gift of Eternal Life.
This.
""""" For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous."""""
Is life experienced in the body, do you think?
Is eternal life experienced in the body, do you think?
Was being alive in Christ our Creator experienced by Adam in the body, do you think?
How about spiritual death?
Yes we do! and you rworld view is an unbiblical and thus un- Christ attitude and belief system. You openly deny the teachings of Jesus to accept your "inclusiveness".We see things differently.
Did Adam experience two lives before the fall, i.e one spiritual + one in the body?We are SPIRIT beings, made in the IMAGE of GOD......who is "A Spirit".
You are a spirit being, living inside a dying earth suit.
Your body, is not the real you....its the container of the Real you.
They are going to put your earth suit in a box and bury it, or burn it.
= While your Spirit (the real you) has moved on into eternity.
When we become a CHRISTian....our body is not saved....because "the body is DEAD because of SIN"..
The CHRISTian, gets a NEW BODY that is created for the "born... again......Spirit". that is the actual "SON/Daughter of GOD" who is "A Spirit".
Did Adam experience two lives before the fall, i.e one spiritual + one in the body?
Thanks. You can stop there. You've just admitted that there was 1 death when Adam sinned, not two.Adam had a living body, that was impacted by his Sin, so that "the body is dead because of sin"... it will stop living.
Thanks. You can stop there. You've just admitted that there was 1 death when Adam sinned, not two.
Adam had a living body, that was impacted by his Sin, so that "the body is dead because of sin"... it will stop living.
And Adam's Spiritual Union with God, was broken....and the bible refers to this as "death".... But its not death, in the sense of ended. But rather, in the sense of "separated from God, Spiritually = by Sin"
Sin is the disconnect from God
The Cross of Christ is the RECONNECT To God.
Thanks. You can stop there. You've just admitted that there was 1 death when Adam sinned, not two.
You said i said that.
Listen, you can't learn, if your purpose here on the Forum, is only to try to argue.
That type of mentality, defeats learning.
What i taught is = that the BIBLE defines Spiritual Separation from God, that Adam encountered, as a "DEATH"
2nd Death is to die as an unbeliever, never born again......= but your spirit does not END.........
The "DEATH" is the DISCONNECT From God's Spirit, that is LIFE, Eternal.
"In ADAM, we all DIE"... = Spiritual separation from God.
AND, our body dies, also.
2 Deaths......as i said.
Ok then.