Has "Christian Forums" become a Catholic site?

[soberxp]

Were will be in heaven temporarily. The meek shall inherit the earth. A new heavens, a new earth.

Where to go? Is heaven no better than Earth?

 

[Brakelite]

Where to go? Is heaven no better than Earth?

“22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain. 23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD. ”
Isaiah 66:22-23 KJV

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“1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. 4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. 5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful. 6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. 7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. 8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. 9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife. 10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, 11 Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal; 12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel: 13 On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates. 14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb. 15 And he that talked with me had a golden reed to measure the city, and the gates thereof, and the wall thereof. 16 And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal. 17 And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel. 18 And the building of the wall of it was of jasper: and the city was pure gold, like unto clear glass. 19 And the foundations of the wall of the city were garnished with all manner of precious stones. The first foundation was jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, a chalcedony; the fourth, an emerald; 20 The fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh, chrysolite; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, a topaz; the tenth, a chrysoprasus; the eleventh, a jacinth; the twelfth, an amethyst. 21 And the twelve gates were twelve pearls; every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass. 22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it. 23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof. 24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it. 25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there. 26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it. 27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life. ”
Revelation 21:1-27 KJV

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[Grailhunter]

Yes she has apologised. However, one must recognise the reasons she was so embittered and antagonistic toward faiths that denied papal supremacy. They were doctrinal reasons. Doctrines that were not derived from scripture, but from tradition, and given strength and impetus through church "doctors" such as Thomas Aquinas, and theologians such as Augustine. Doctrines which developed into policies, carried out by unscrupulous murderous popes and prelates in conjunction with unconverted kings, queens, and princess eager for papal favour and earthly gain.
So the question remains, has she really changed? Those doctrines by her own claims to infallibility, are still dogma, and the various councils such as Trent and Vatican 1 and 2 confirmed their continuing relevancy. The Catholic church has the cunning to put on a fair front when circumstances demand it. But give her power as she once wielded during the dark ages, and we will soon witness the truth that the chameleon, though looking different, is still a reptile.

Well you open up a bunch of history….as the expression goes….You said a mouth full. But more than that a whole book of topics.

The doctrines they established still haunt Christianity because the Protestants adopted them….the one God formula for the Trinity and the doctrine of Original Sin present a filter that Christians read through that skews the meaning of a lot of scriptures.

And the corruption you noted is a drop in the bucket to what really happened. Things so horrible that it is hard to imagine. But it is in the past. We can only be grateful that the Protestants had none of that in their history. There was a time when the Catholic Church was a disgrace to Christianity. But still we need to be aware of the poison of hate. It is better to forgive.

But as I said the modern Catholic Church is much better. Still a lot of pomp and circumstance and bureaucracy. The Catholics reduced the Bread and Wine Ritual to a wafer and the Protestants reduced it to kool-aid and crackers. Things change. But still they are Christians and Catholics and Protestants should not hate each other.

Christianity has enemies and we need to stand united against those enemies, not each other. United we could accomplish so many things.

Grailhunter.....The Johnny Appleseed of Truth
Be good and do good

 

[Taken]

A Christian is someone who is born again and has the Holy Spirit.

That IS can be a Christian.
However CHRISTIANS CAN also be “not saved and not born again.”

 

[Lizbeth]

That IS can be a Christian.
However CHRISTIANS CAN also be “not saved and not born again.”

Only nominal Christians, who are not really Christians at all since God's word says "if ye have not the Spirit ye are none of His." The bible also speaks of tares among the wheat and false brethren.

 

[Rockerduck]

That IS can be a Christian.
However CHRISTIANS CAN also be “not saved and not born again.”

You shall know them by their fruit.

 

[Behold]

Your home and our home is heaven.... Not here on earth.

We are all staying here temporarily.

Heaven is my Eternal Home.
The KOG is my current home.

Yet Netanya Israel is my temp home, also.. (Rishon Le Zion Street)........ when talking about living on this planet.

So, its all in context.

Another example is........you are in a body......and you can't deny it, but its not your eternal body.........so, its where you are living right now, but its not eternal......its just the current house of dirt that you live inside of, for a little while longer.

 

[Lizbeth]

Well you open up a bunch of history….as the expression goes….You said a mouth full. But more than that a whole book of topics.

The doctrines they established still haunt Christianity because the Protestants adopted them….the one God formula for the Trinity and the doctrine of Original Sin present a filter that Christians read through that skews the meaning of a lot of scriptures.

And the corruption you noted is a drop in the bucket to what really happened. Things so horrible that it is hard to imagine. But it is in the past. We can only be grateful that the Protestants had none of that in their history. There was a time when the Catholic Church was a disgrace to Christianity. But still we need to be aware of the poison of hate. It is better to forgive.

But as I said the modern Catholic Church is much better. Still a lot of pomp and circumstance and bureaucracy. The Catholics reduced the Bread and Wine Ritual to a wafer and the Protestants reduced it to kool-aid and crackers. Things change. But still they are Christians and Catholics and Protestants should not hate each other.

Christianity has enemies and we need to stand united against those enemies, not each other. United we could accomplish so many things.

Grailhunter.....The Johnny Appleseed of Truth
Be good and do good

Forgiving is one thing, but accepting and believing they are of Christ is another. Eyes wide open. The Lord commands and instructs that we be not unequally yoked/united with unbelievers but come out from among them and be separate. Not all who say they believe have the faith that is of God, not of their own. That does not mean you hate them, but it means you know and understand what they are and are not. Having a form of godliness but denying the power.....and we are told to turn away from such, not accept and embrace them as being of the true sheepfold of Christ.

 

[Grailhunter]

Forgiving is one thing, but accepting and believing they are of Christ is another. Eyes wide open. The Lord commands and instructs that we be not unequally yoked/united with unbelievers but come out from among them and be separate.

Over 30,000 Protestants denominations with differing beliefs. You surely have beliefs that are different than other Protestants. As it is now because there are so many denominations that believe differently, and differently than you, it does not justify singling the Catholics out to condemn them. And again as it is now differing beliefs are a norm. As I said, I am use to this sort of thing, but it is not smart or rational or justifiable.

 

[bdavidc]

Over 30,000 Protestants denominations with differing beliefs. You surely have beliefs that are different than other Protestants. As it is now because there are so many denominations that believe differently, and differently than you, it does not justify singling the Catholics out to condemn them. And again as it is now differing beliefs are a norm. As I said, I am use to this sort of thing, but it is not smart or rational or justifiable.

The reason the Catholic Church was specifically addressed is because the original question asked whether "Christian Forums" had become a Catholic site. That naturally requires a direct response regarding Catholic doctrine. As for the claim about denominations, the number of groups that call themselves Christian does not excuse or justify false teaching. Scripture is clear that doctrine matters. Paul wrote, “Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned, and avoid them” (Romans 16:17). Jesus warned, “Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves” (Matthew 7:15). Because there are way too many denominations and ministries today that are filled with false teachers, simply belonging to a denomination doesn’t guarantee that you’re hearing sound doctrine. Truth is not determined by popularity or tradition, it’s measured by the Word of God. The Bible commands believers to test all things (1 Thessalonians 5:21), examine teachings by the Scriptures (Acts 17:11), and contend earnestly for the faith (Jude 3). If any group, Catholic or otherwise, teaches a gospel that does not align with Scripture, it must be exposed and corrected. This isn’t about targeting one group out of bias, it’s about obeying God's clear commands to guard the truth.

 

[NotTheRock]

You guys need to consider the tone of the Christians that are posting here. As a Theologian I run into it all the time. Even between people that call themselves Theologians. But true Theologians do not belong to any one denomination….Protestant or Catholic. A Baptist Theologian is really a Baptist scholar. Real Theologians do not have to deal with hate…hate for Catholics or Protestants. And real Theologians knows that hate is a spiritual poison. I can feel it in the posts on this forum.

A poison, a general dislike – hate between Catholics and Protestants. The Eastern Orthodox get left out, which probably a good thing. Admittedly there is a lot of bad blood between the Catholic and Protestants….there were even wars between the Catholics and Protestants, but most do not know enough about history to be knowledgeable about that. And the history of the Catholics is both good and bad. All kinds of good history

But all that gets mowed over by their bad history which is so horrific and evil that it would make you puke. It is over whelming that human beings could be so cruel and evil! There is no Theologian or historian that can explain that except to blame it on the general nature of man to become corrupt with power. But as it is today the Catholic Church has officially apologized for their past atrocities and the modern Catholic Church is better than it ever was. And it is a tenant of Christian faith to forgive. But one of their last lessons to learn is the trouble celibacy with clergy will continue to cause corruption in their church.

There are 30,000 Protestant denominations and some say over 50,000 world wide. I have counted 30,000 myself and yes there are duplicates. But even at that globally, the Roman Catholic Church out numbers all others combined at over 1.3 billion followers. If you add up all the Protestant denominations they number less than Catholic at 900 million worldwide.

But size does not make them right no more than diversity in Protestantism make them right. As a Theologian I can tell you that there is a certain amount of delusional thinking with both the Catholics and the Protestants. Catholics like to think that their Popes are a direct succession from the Apostle Peter. The Catholic Church was formed in the 4th century organized by the Ecumenical Councils and Emperor Constantine and the Roman Empire being the power behind the Church. And the first Pope was Sylvester I.

The Catholic Pope cannot claim anymore succession from the Apostle Peter than any Protestant Preacher. That being true because their religions are based on the same scriptures. What the Protestants cannot claim is history, for that reason they do not want to admit history. The Protestants think they are right because they hold to sola scriptura. But the concept of “Bible Only” or sola scriptura is a fallacy because Christianity adopted new beliefs, like a requirement for wedding ceremonies and the moratoriums of polygamy and concubinage and slavery all occurred centuries after the biblical era and they are still learning things about women’s rights.

Christ did not return soon and the Christian Church continued on after the biblical era. What does that mean? Think about it. We are all successor of the Apostle Peter and he was an example of us. He denied Yeshua and he wavered in his beliefs. We are all flawed but God loved us while we were yet sinner and are sinners. And God turned the church over to humanity.

It a great responsibility because we learn so slow. We are still learning that God sees men and women as equal Christians. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. Galatians 3:28 For how many centuries has Christianity ignored this scripture? So slow to learn.

So the point of all this historical review is that there is another lesson for Christianity and those on this forum to learn. We are all Christians and we should not hate other Christians, we should love one another. Christianity has become a smorgasbord of beliefs between the Catholics the Eastern Orthodox and the many Protestant denominations and their many beleifs. That is simply the reality of it all. The Catholics have added beliefs beyond the biblical era and the Protestants have added things beyond the biblical era….The lesson is love, the love of God and love He has shown us and that we should love one another.
And by the way....Go to church!

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Be good and do good

This is a great post. Thank you.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

You're twisting Scripture to force your theology and ignoring the full counsel of God. I'm not confusing covenant fulfillment with nationalism, and I'm not preaching two peoples or two plans. I'm pointing out what the Bible actually says. God made everlasting promises to Israel, not just spiritual ones, but literal ones, including the land, and you don’t get to cancel that just because it doesn’t fit your view of fulfillment.

Yes, Galatians 3:16 says the seed is Christ, but that doesn’t erase the covenant God made with Abraham’s descendants. Being in Christ means sharing in the spiritual blessings of that promise, but it doesn’t wipe out the specific promises God made to the nation of Israel. Romans 11 says Israel has been partially blinded, not replaced. And it says they will be grafted in again. That’s not symbolic language, it’s a real future event. The olive tree isn’t the Church replacing Israel, it’s God's covenant purpose, and both Jews and Gentiles are grafted into it.

Your claim that believing in God’s faithfulness to Israel guts the gospel is nonsense. God does not break His promises. If He did, no one could trust the promise of eternal life either. You accuse others of heresy while ignoring what the Bible plainly says. Your version of “one body” erases entire chapters of Scripture to force everything into one box. That’s not biblical theology, that’s replacement error dressed in poetic language.

The Messiah reigns, yes, but He will also return and fulfill every word God spoke, including His promises to Israel. Denying that isn’t faith, it’s arrogance. So no, I haven’t confused anything. You’ve just rejected the parts of Scripture that contradict your system.

You say I’m twisting scripture — but you’re the one preaching a gospel with a second track.
You keep talking about "the plain reading" of the Bible — while ignoring the plainest truth in all of scripture:

“All the promises of God find their Yes in Christ.” — 2 Corinthians 1:20

If the promise to Abraham — including the land — isn’t fulfilled in Christ, then what exactly was the cross for?
To put the Church on pause so He could go back to working with unbelievers who rejected Him?
That’s not the Gospel — that’s a blasphemous detour that demotes Jesus to Plan B in His own covenant.

You keep saying the promises were “literal.”
I agree — and they were literally fulfilled in Jesus.
He is the Seed.
He is the Land.
He is the Temple.
He is the Kingdom.

“Destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it up… but He was speaking of the temple of His body.” — John 2:19,21
“Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth.” — Matthew 5:5
“There is neither Jew nor Greek... for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed.” — Galatians 3:28–29

Your theology needs two peoples.
Mine comes from Jesus, who said:

“There shall be one flock, one Shepherd.” — John 10:16

You say “being in Christ means sharing in the spiritual blessings” —
but the Bible never divides the promises into spiritual vs literal.
That’s your false dichotomy.
God doesn’t split covenants.
He fulfills them all in Christ.

Romans 11 doesn’t say ethnic Israel gets a second covenant or a reset button.
It says they were broken off in unbelief — and can be grafted back in if they do not continue in unbelief.
Not because of land.
Not because of race.
But because of repentance and faith in Jesus.

You say this isn't symbolic?
Fine.
Then show me the chapter where Jesus hands out deed papers to Tel Aviv.
Where’s the verse where Christ’s return revolves around political borders, tanks and bulldozers?

You can’t find one — because this “literal land covenant” obsession isn’t from the Bible.
It’s from Scofield.
It’s from Oxford.
It’s from Zionist propaganda smuggled into the Church under the label of theology.

You keep saying “God doesn’t break His promises.”
Exactly.
That’s why He fulfilled them in His Son.
Not in a secular state.
Not in a bloodline.
Not in a flag.

You think I’m erasing scripture.
No — I’m magnifying what it all points to:
Jesus Christ is the inheritance.
He is the Yes.
He is the Land.
He is the Promise.

“In Him we have obtained an inheritance…” — Ephesians 1:11
“…an inheritance incorruptible and undefiled and that does not fade away, reserved in heaven for you.” — 1 Peter 1:4

The Church doesn’t erase Israel.
It is Israel — reborn, redeemed, resurrected in Christ.
That’s not arrogance.
That’s faith.

What you’re defending is not biblical.
It’s not theological.
It’s nationalist idolatry in covenant drag.

The true gospel doesn’t revolve around a border war.
It revolves around a slain Lamb and an eternal Kingdom
— and if that Kingdom isn’t enough for you, then you’ve already missed it.

To believe this Dispensationalist heresy and nonsense, you literally have to start thinking like a Christ-rejecting Jew —
because that’s where this theology comes from.

You have to mentally demote Jesus.
You have to make ethnicity more important than faith,
land more sacred than the cross,
and a political nation more central than the Body of Christ.

You have to believe that the people who rejected the Messiah still get the promises without Him,
while those who worship Him are somehow second-tier, just “grafted in.”

You have to think God made an eternal covenant with bloodlines instead of bloodshed —
and that the crucifixion of His Son wasn’t enough to fulfill the promises,
so He has to circle back later and pass out real estate to unbelievers.

That’s not Christianity.
That’s Talmudic Zionism disguised as prophecy.

It turns the Gospel into a supporting act
for the very people who killed the main character.

If that’s your theology, don’t call it biblical.
Don’t call it Christian.
Call it what it is:

Scofield-Approved Messianic Rejection —
a heresy that puts Christ on the back burner
and gives His inheritance to those who still deny He ever came.

 

[NotTheRock]

If any group, Catholic or otherwise, teaches a gospel that does not align with Scripture, it must be exposed and corrected. This isn’t about targeting one group out of bias, it’s about obeying God's clear commands to guard the truth.

Paul said that they should be cursed. The Catholic Church is one of Satan's greatest lies. With that said, there are MANY Godly people in the Catholic Church. They are deceived but nevertheless Godly people. The Catholic Church itself is of the world and is demonic.

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But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.

 

[Lizbeth]

Over 30,000 Protestants denominations with differing beliefs. You surely have beliefs that are different than other Protestants. As it is now because there are so many denominations that believe differently, and differently than you, it does not justify singling the Catholics out to condemn them. And again as it is now differing beliefs are a norm. As I said, I am use to this sort of thing, but it is not smart or rational or justifiable.

The ruling spirit over the Catholic church is not the Holy Spirit. This the Lord was gracious to show me in an unmistakable way. I never used to quite know how to categorize the Catholic church but now I know unequivocally that it is not of God, not of Christ, and not of His Spirit, regardless of the words they use or the show they put on. I hate the institution because it is demonic, false and highly deceptive.....it's entirely a counterfeit form of Christianity.......but I do not hate the individual souls who are captives there. They are lost souls and God is still in the soul rescuing/saving business. I was raised in the Catholic church, and then the Lord got hold of me for real in my late twenties, so I know the difference between a dead religion that leads to death, and the life of God in Christ. Catholicism is not a Christian "denomination"...it is not Christian at all, except in name only.

 

[Lizbeth]

You say I’m twisting scripture — but you’re the one preaching a gospel with a second track.
You keep talking about "the plain reading" of the Bible — while ignoring the plainest truth in all of scripture:

“All the promises of God find their Yes in Christ.” — 2 Corinthians 1:20

If the promise to Abraham — including the land — isn’t fulfilled in Christ, then what exactly was the cross for?
To put the Church on pause so He could go back to working with unbelievers who rejected Him?
That’s not the Gospel — that’s a blasphemous detour that demotes Jesus to Plan B in His own covenant.

You keep saying the promises were “literal.”
I agree — and they were literally fulfilled in Jesus.
He is the Seed.
He is the Land.
He is the Temple.
He is the Kingdom.

“Destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it up… but He was speaking of the temple of His body.” — John 2:19,21
“Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth.” — Matthew 5:5
“There is neither Jew nor Greek... for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed.” — Galatians 3:28–29

Your theology needs two peoples.
Mine comes from Jesus, who said:

“There shall be one flock, one Shepherd.” — John 10:16

You say “being in Christ means sharing in the spiritual blessings” —
but the Bible never divides the promises into spiritual vs literal.
That’s your false dichotomy.
God doesn’t split covenants.
He fulfills them all in Christ.

Romans 11 doesn’t say ethnic Israel gets a second covenant or a reset button.
It says they were broken off in unbelief — and can be grafted back in if they do not continue in unbelief.
Not because of land.
Not because of race.
But because of repentance and faith in Jesus.

You say this isn't symbolic?
Fine.
Then show me the chapter where Jesus hands out deed papers to Tel Aviv.
Where’s the verse where Christ’s return revolves around political borders, tanks and bulldozers?

You can’t find one — because this “literal land covenant” obsession isn’t from the Bible.
It’s from Scofield.
It’s from Oxford.
It’s from Zionist propaganda smuggled into the Church under the label of theology.

You keep saying “God doesn’t break His promises.”
Exactly.
That’s why He fulfilled them in His Son.
Not in a secular state.
Not in a bloodline.
Not in a flag.

You think I’m erasing scripture.
No — I’m magnifying what it all points to:
Jesus Christ is the inheritance.
He is the Yes.
He is the Land.
He is the Promise.

“In Him we have obtained an inheritance…” — Ephesians 1:11
“…an inheritance incorruptible and undefiled and that does not fade away, reserved in heaven for you.” — 1 Peter 1:4

The Church doesn’t erase Israel.
It is Israel — reborn, redeemed, resurrected in Christ.
That’s not arrogance.
That’s faith.

What you’re defending is not biblical.
It’s not theological.
It’s nationalist idolatry in covenant drag.

The true gospel doesn’t revolve around a border war.
It revolves around a slain Lamb and an eternal Kingdom
— and if that Kingdom isn’t enough for you, then you’ve already missed it.

To believe this Dispensationalist heresy and nonsense, you literally have to start thinking like a Christ-rejecting Jew —
because that’s where this theology comes from.

You have to mentally demote Jesus.
You have to make ethnicity more important than faith,
land more sacred than the cross,
and a political nation more central than the Body of Christ.

You have to believe that the people who rejected the Messiah still get the promises without Him,
while those who worship Him are somehow second-tier, just “grafted in.”

You have to think God made an eternal covenant with bloodlines instead of bloodshed —
and that the crucifixion of His Son wasn’t enough to fulfill the promises,
so He has to circle back later and pass out real estate to unbelievers.

That’s not Christianity.
That’s Talmudic Zionism disguised as prophecy.

It turns the Gospel into a supporting act
for the very people who killed the main character.

If that’s your theology, don’t call it biblical.
Don’t call it Christian.
Call it what it is:

Scofield-Approved Messianic Rejection —
a heresy that puts Christ on the back burner
and gives His inheritance to those who still deny He ever came.

As long as we don't start to pick on the Jews....because the truth is the Gentiles wouldn't have fared any better in their shoes. Flesh is all the same, whether Jew or Gentile. The Jews are simply lost souls.......and actually prodigal sons in a way, which just should make us long for their salvation all the more. God is their judge, not we....our job is to simply be His witnesses.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Paul said that they should be cursed. The Catholic Church is one of Satan's greatest lies. With that said, there are MANY Godly people in the Catholic Church. They are deceived but nevertheless Godly people. The Catholic Church itself is of the world and is demonic.

The ruling spirit over the Catholic church is not the Holy Spirit. This the Lord was gracious to show me in an unmistakable way. I never used to quite know how to categorize the Catholic church but now I know unequivocally that it is not of God, not of Christ, and not of His Spirit, regardless of the words they use or the show they put on.

Spoken like 2 people who are completely ignorant of Catholic teaching.
This is usually the case when it comes to anti-Catholics . . .

 

[Hey You!]

I get the impression that it has. They are very defensive about questioning Catholic doctrine.

Perhaps...

Perhaps it's due to the Zeal of the new Pope being expressed...

 

[Taken]

Has "Christian Forums" become a Catholic site?​

There will always be “division and tribulations” in “THIS” world.

Divisions, between “Different” Religions.
Divisions, with-IN “Same” Religions.

Of course “Every” “denomination” with”IN” a Religion, stress, may even require a Testimony of Agreement To “be faithfully committed” to “Their Taught” Doctrine.

Catholics “particularly” are historically (generationally) “noted” for their “schools” to teach and groom, practice, “reward”, children “according to THEIR promoted Catholic Doctrines and Rituals and Traditions.”

Fact is… Some embrace and continue what they were groomed to believe and do…
Others, follow the “habit” motions, without much depth substance.

Fact is…
* For centuries:
Catholics orally taught the Illiterate.
* For centuries:
Catholics orally taught in a language foreign to its audience.
* For centuries:
Mimicking Teachers was /Is Rewarded.
* For centuries:
Verifying Teaching against Written Scripture was Not / does Not appear as a primary Focus.

Habits! Do as “we” say. Do as “we” do.

My perspective.
Glory to God,

Taken

 

[Rockerduck]

Has "Christian Forums" become a Catholic site?​

There will always be “division and tribulations” in “THIS” world.

Divisions, between “Different” Religions.
Divisions, with-IN “Same” Religions.

Of course “Every” “denomination” with”IN” a Religion, stress, may even require a Testimony of Agreement To “be faithfully committed” to “Their Taught” Doctrine.

Catholics “particularly” are historically (generationally) “noted” for their “schools” to teach and groom, practice, “reward”, children “according to THEIR promoted Catholic Doctrines and Rituals and Traditions.”

Fact is… Some embrace and continue what they were groomed to believe and do…
Others, follow the “habit” motions, without much depth substance.

Fact is…
* For centuries:
Catholics orally taught the Illiterate.
* For centuries:
Catholics orally taught in a language foreign to its audience.
* For centuries:
Mimicking Teachers was /Is Rewarded.
* For centuries:
Verifying Teaching against Written Scripture was Not / does Not appear as a primary Focus.

Habits! Do as “we” say. Do as “we” do.

My perspective.
Glory to God,

Taken

And the Church's in the USA, started churches and schools in the same building, to teach kids how to read and write for centuries also, from Plymouth rock to today.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

As long as we don't start to pick on the Jews....because the truth is the Gentiles wouldn't have fared any better in their shoes. Flesh is all the same, whether Jew or Gentile. The Jews are simply lost souls.......and actually prodigal sons in a way, which just should make us long for their salvation all the more. God is their judge, not we....our job is to simply be His witnesses.

You’re right — flesh is all the same.
Jew or Gentile — all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.
And yes, God is the Judge, not us.

But without Christ?
No one is “chosen.”
No one is heir to the promises.

Now let’s put this in perspective — and drop the polite fog:

Today, you’ve got Western Europeans — and people from every nation on Earth — rightly identifying as the Body of Christ: born again, redeemed by the blood of the Lamb — the true Israel according to the Gospel.

Meanwhile, you’ve got Eastern European Khazarian converts —
whose ancestors were force-converted to Talmudic Judaism in 740 AD
at the edge of King Bulan’s sword — now claiming to be “ethnic descendants of Abraham”

That’s not theology.
That’s not covenant.
That’s not even a mistake.
That’s identity theft on a geopolitical scale.

The modern state of Rothschild’s False Israel™ wasn’t built on the bloodline of Judah.
It was built on the bloodline of Russian, Poles, and Ashkenazim converts—
descendants of the Khazar Empire, from the steppes of Central Asia and the Caucasus,
not the land of Canaan.

They didn’t speak Hebrew.
Not ancient Hebrew.
Not biblical Hebrew.
Not even modern Hebrew.

The Khazars spoke a Turkic language, native to the steppes of Central Asia.
Their descendants — the Ashkenazi Jews of Europe — didn’t speak Hebrew either.
They spoke Yiddish — a hybrid tongue made up of Middle High German, Slavic words, Aramaic fragments, and a few Hebrew terms sprinkled in like garnish to sound religious.

Hebrew, for centuries, was a liturgical language only.
Dead outside the synagogue.
No one spoke it in the markets.
No one used it to raise their children.

And when the Zionist movement needed to invent a “return” to the land in the early 1900s,
they had to resurrect the Hebrew language from the grave,
modernize it, nationalize it, and force it into everyday speech —
not because it was their mother tongue,
but because the entire narrative would collapse without it.

They didn’t “return” to Israel.
They weren’t from there.

They moved in from Europe —
armed with secular nationalism, funded by Rothschild money,
learned a language they had never spoken,
raised a blue and white flag stamped with the Star of Remphan,
and called it "prophecy".

It wasn’t a homecoming.
It was a political repackaging of identity theft on a national scale.

So let’s be clear:
We’re not “picking on Jews.”
We’re exposing a delusion that the Church has been force-fed since 1909:

That a group of European converts —
whose Khazarian ancestors couldn’t have found ancient Israel on a map if the entire map was Israel —
are now being called “biblical Jews” & "descendants of Abraham", and handed every covenant, every prophecy, and every divine promise… all while rejecting the Messiah.

And now most of the Scofield-misled Church has been so spiritually sedated
that it believes these Christ-rejecting, Talmud-following, Eastern European nationalists
are the fulfillment of God’s eternal plan?

That’s not just wrong.
It’s absolute madness.

It’s a Zionist fantasy propped up by:
Zero DNA evidence
Zero archaeological evidence
And zero scriptural basis

There is no verified ancient Hebrew DNA.
There is no way to prove anyone today is directly from the tribe of Judah.
All that remains is a political agenda wrapped in eschatological manipulation.

So yes — Jews, just like everyone else, need Christ.
But let’s stop pretending these people are biblical Israel.
They’re not.
They’re not even close.

The Gospel is for all nations —
but the covenants were fulfilled in Christ — not in Khazaria, not in Tel Aviv,
and definitely not in the Knesset.

If anyone wants to be saved,
they come through the cross —
not a bloodline,
not a passport,
and not a warzone.

No one gets a covenant by geography.
No one inherits the promises by DNA.
Only by faith in Jesus Christ.

And if the Church doesn’t wake up soon,
it won’t be judged for “picking on Jews.”
It’ll be judged for abandoning the Gospel
to bow before a golden calf flying a blue and white flag.

This isn’t anti-Jewish.
It’s anti-lie.
It’s anti-Zionist deception.
It’s pro-Gospel.

Because the truth is:

“There is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord is Lord of all.” — Romans 10:12
“In Christ, all the promises of God are Yes and Amen.” — 2 Corinthians 1:20
“He is not a Jew who is one outwardly... but inwardly, by the Spirit.” — Romans 2:28–29
“If you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.” — Galatians 3:29

That’s not replacement.
That’s fulfillment.
That’s covenant completed, not canceled.
That’s Christ on the throne — not Israel on the news.

The Khazarian myth, the Zionist Dispensationalist narrative, the Scofield scam —
it all collapses the moment someone actually opens their Bible…
without the footnotes.