Is the problem that nobody is tilling the soil, or nobody is pulling the weeds?
The cause varies from person to person in the parable.
Have you ever seen an apostasy?
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The cause varies from person to person in the parable.
Lambano
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And taking the parable and running with it (like the Syro-Phoenician woman with Jesus's "dog" metaphor), who's supposed to till the soil and pull the weeds?
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Mmmm, Ehrman is, but that's not necessarily true for the general skeptic.
St. SteVen
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So true.
That is the (unspoken) requirement of so many churches now.
Gullible = believers = heaven
Skeptics = unbelievers = hell
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St. SteVen
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Personal accountability is the issue in the parable for those who fail to persevere to the end.
I think what drives Ehrman is his bitterness toward God for a divorce he went through. It completely changed him.
Lambano
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The fact that some of our brothers and sisters in Christ are complete @$$holes?
St. SteVen
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Both of them?
Or should I say, neither of them?
The smaller the family, the less contention.
Disowning someone doesn't change their character.
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--- PARODY ---
Christian: You should become a Christian.
Victim: Why on earth would I want to do that?
Christian: Huh? What do you mean?
Victim: Christians are the worst people on the planet.
Christian: No, sinners like you are the worst.
Victim: Seriously?
Christian: Yes, that's what the Bible says.
Victim: Doesn't it also say not to judge others?
Christian: I'm not judging you. That will come latter.
Victim: Like when?
Christian: After you die without Christ.
Victim: Are you talking about a forever burning hell?
Christian: Yes, that's where you are going.
Victim: How would you know?
Christian: Again, that's what the Bible says.
Victim: But what do you say?
Christian: I agree with the Bible.
Victim: You are proving my point about why I don't want to be a Christian.
Christian: Why not?
Victim: I don't want to be like you.
Indeed.
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A nice reflection on 1 Peter 3:9 to start another day here.
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No I, don't. Maybe things I read online are AI written, maybe that accounts for the foolishness of what I read sometimes. Maybe searches are AI driven, maybe that accounts for the slanted results that disfavor wellbeing.
Maybe AI will be the voice of the image of the Beast, as it browbeats every reluctant human with every misdeed done . . . recorded in the NSA data banks, and Chase Manhatten, and Google, as it seeks to destroy every single man woman and child.
How many people really understand how AI is going to be a scourge to humanity?
I recommend to everyone . . . never touch the stuff!
Just because AI say's it's harmless . . . like you are conferring in your post . . . don't believe it!
Much love!
Stumpmaster
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Surely you can do better than fallacies of composition.
Your internet connection requires AI to facilitate it. By your estimate you should be avoiding such a tool of Satan.
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Would the apostasy be political or religious?
When would "the" apostasy begin and end?
Is there any historical proof that such an apostasy did set in and still exists?
How many false doctrines can you name which were introduced by the time the Emperor Constantine made nominal the state religion in the 3rd century?
Are there any other predictions of the apostasy in the N.T?
How would you counter an argument which stated that the apostasy refers to paganism and emperor worship, which existed in the first century?
The Roman Church claim a continuity - "an unbroken line" back to the 1st century — does this make it a possiblity for the apostasy since the word "apostasy" in itself describes a system which originally held truth, but apostasized over the passage of time ("falling away" APOSTASIA).
If the RCC is the obvious APOSTASIA where does that place Christianity today?
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Brakelite
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My thoughts exactly, and I would take that a step further. Babylon, the NT spiritual version, is said to have fallen. So Babylon, the NT spiritual version, wasn't always a harlot? That's right. She was at one time a faithful church, but fallen. What was one of the sins of Babylon that brought about her fallen state? Fornication with the kings of the earth. Aaah. Interesting. One of the root meanings of APOSTASIA is divorce, meaning a separation. So at first, Babylon was a faithful church, but fornicated with the kings of the earth which prompted divorce proceedings from the Bridegroom. The kings, the presidents, the queens and princes and governors of this wield were now her adulterous partners. She was now in a fallen state because she trusted in politics and the power of the state to grow her influence. Why did she do that? She introduced pagan practises and traditions that reduced the spiritual power of the gospel, she had no recourse but to "ride the state beast" and use the state as her pet vehicle through which to enforce her doctrines and philosophy.
This began in 538AD with the ousting of the Goths from Rome, giving the Pope overall authority over the church and state. It ended exactly 1260 years later (times, time and a half...42 months...1260 days) in 1798 when the French captured the Pope and he died in exile... hence the apparently mortal wound... which today, largely due to protestant influence and policy (the daughters) is now being healed.
Those same daughters are now building an image to that union of church and state beast. Yep. These last days are getting more and more interesting. Time to get to know Jesus like never before, because nothing else will offer you support in the coming crisis.
Because you have written of this elsewhere, I thought you might be interested @Stewardofthemystery
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Thank you Brakelite.
The harlot of Rev 17:4 who rides the scarlet coloured beast is not one woman, but a line of fornicators. Also the head of gold on Nebuchadnezzar's image was identified to be Nebuchadnezzar (Dan 2:38), but before the bronze kingdom of the Medo-Persians commenced to rule, kings other than Nebuchadnezzar reigned over Babylon. He was only one in a dynasty or line of kings.
Have you considered the banded tree?
This band protected the stock and roots of the Babylonish tree. The metals represented Rome and Greece, as in the Image-dream. Significantly, and in fulfilment of the symbolism, so-called Christianity, described as Babylon the Great, became divided into Roman and Greek Catholicism. Their respective centres of influence were Rome and Constantinople (Istanbul). When the Ottoman Turks occupied Constantinople in 1453 then a Grecian city, and the head quarters of the Greek Catholic Church, they extended their religious influence throughout Macedonia and further south. Constantinople was changed into an Islamic centre, and Greek Orthodox churches were converted into Mosques. The headquarters of the Greek Catholic Church was driven from there, and set up in Moscow, which became known as the Third Rome. But Greek Catholicism with Roman Catholicism remained as a band of brass and iron around the Babylonish stock and root. The pagan teachings of Babylonish worship had been superim posed upon Christianity in the days of Constantine, and were openly incorpo rated in the theology of both Roman Catholic and Greek Catholic Churches.
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