Heart Talks on Holiness

[GTW27]

I appreciate your answer but this doesn't clarify you calling the man a liar!! Are you saying this man is subject to your weaknesses?? (It was 100plus years ago, so the women didn't dress the same then as now). Could that be the difference???

There is no man that has not a weakness, including this man. There is but One that is Perfect. Living in this body of flesh(jars of clay) it is impossible to walk in The Spirit for 10 years. There has to be down time (in the flesh). The Lord is a Lord of balance. If you ever get to walk in The Spirit then you will understand. And I hope you do.

 

[ChristisGod]

No one can grow INTO holiness. You can only fall FROM grace. The maturity of a carnal walk is not the same as a maturity in a holy walk. Since you don't actually believe in the higher walk that is in holiness....because of unbelief you will not enter in... you are stuck in a religious circular walk in your own strength. Maybe at times you will hear something from God. Just like the Israelites in the wilderness.


You are confusing maturity and purity. A person who is clean can become dirty. Don't you take periodic showers...even as you get older and "wiser". Why conflate the 2?


Exactly. Those who are born again can easily turn aside to a human understanding and try "growing" themselves into the Promised land. But what has begun in the Spirit (if it truly has done so) can only be fulfilled by Christ Himself. He is both the author AND finisher of our faith...until it becomes HIS faith we walk in...in the higher walk in the Spirit....the kingdom walk.


We must count on that. As long as we breathe through our lungs there is a chance that carnal believers will turn to God for His full measure of grace...to be filled with the very fulness of God

God decides when we have crossed the line of no return. Fear the Lord and repent from your carnal version of Christianity that has no power except to puff up the flesh...over what is of Christ.

Another lie we believers grow in sanctification/ holiness when we obey snd sun it to the Lord bearing much fruit. You have no business teaching anyone the Bible since you deny it’s truth and He who is Truth- Jesus Christ fully man, fully God. And you deny the gospel.

 

[Episkopos]

There is no man that has not a weakness, including this man.

That's why we need to put on Christ...and HIS perfection.

There is but One that is Perfect. Living in this body of flesh(jars of clay) it is impossible to walk in The Spirit for 10 years.

I think you are the liar. You deny the power of the cross and the power of grace. Why do that? What is your agenda?

There has to be down time (in the flesh).

Not so. You maybe need a flesh vacation. But you are in no way an example or in any position to teach others.

The Lord is a Lord of balance. If you ever get to walk in The Spirit then you will understand. And I hope you do.

The balance is not...some time in the Spirit...oops...some time in the flesh...then rinse and repeat. That is YOUR testimony. And...that time you think is in the Spirit??? It's not. It's just you being not distracted by the eyes you are living by.

Being IN the Spirit gives you spiritual faculties that see past the temporal things of this world. The world goes out of focus when one is covered with the anointing of righteousness from God. Only those who have walked in Zion know what I'm talking about.

 

[ChristisGod]

That's why we need to put on Christ...and HIS perfection.


I think you are the liar. You deny the power of the cross and the power of grace. Why do that? What is your agenda?


Not so. You maybe need a flesh vacation. But you are in no way an example or in any position to teach others.

The balance is not...some time in the Spirit...oops...some time in the flesh...then rinse and repeat. That is YOUR testimony. And...that time you think is in the Spirit??? It's not. It's just you being not distracted by the eyes you are living by.

Being IN the Spirit gives you spiritual faculties that see past the temporal things of this world. The world goes out of focus when one is covered with the anointing of righteousness from God. Only those who have walked in Zion knows what I'm talking about.

The irony coming from one who dwells in the lower walk, a troll .

 

[Lizbeth]

Since you don't actually believe in the higher walk that is in holiness....

Don't I.....? You must not be hearing a lot of my posts. What is the double portion all about, that Esau essentially fell from ( for the same reasons that false prophets are fallen. Pride goeth before a fall.....the flesh is a hungry hunter and we must never underestimate it in ourselves).

At least try to catch up with this thread before judging what I believe and don't believe. Not to mention other conversations we've had.

And I'll just add a little hint: God's word is a mirror that we need to look in and see ourselves in it.

 

[ChristisGod]

Don't I.....? You must not be hearing a lot of my posts. What is the double portion all about, that Esau essentially fell from ( for the same reasons that false prophets are fallen. Pride goeth before a fall.....the flesh is a hungry hunter and we must never underestimate it in ourselves).

At least try to catch up with this thread before judging what I believe and don't believe. Not to mention other conversations we've had.

And I'll just add a little hint: God's word is a mirror that we need to look in and see ourselves in it.

Amen

 

[amigo de christo]

I’ll sum up holiness with 4 commands . There is no second blessing but one of continued/ daily dependency upon Christ and denying ourselves which means humility of mind/ heart before the Lord in service to Him, not self.

1- be filled with the spirit
2- walk in the spirit
3- do not quench the spirit
4- do not grieve the spirit

hope this helps !!!

Allow the flea to speak .
I have some questions for Everyone on the site .
1. How come when i read the gospels , JESUS own words , the apostels , the acts of the apostles , even revelation ,
Did it seem they all seemed to preach the DIRE NEED to BELIEVE ON CHRIST , yet today they dont .
2. How come when i read the same , i saw their dire warnings about sin
yet today many try and down play sin and error .
3. How come they all continually reminded about the need to continue in CHRIST
yet today its not preached .
SOMETHING has went wrong .

 

[amigo de christo]

Don't I.....? You must not be hearing a lot of my posts. What is the double portion all about, that Esau essentially fell from ( for the same reasons that false prophets are fallen. Pride goeth before a fall.....the flesh is a hungry hunter and we must never underestimate it in ourselves).

At least try to catch up with this thread before judging what I believe and don't believe. Not to mention other conversations we've had.

And I'll just add a little hint: God's word is a mirror that we need to look in and see ourselves in it.

Examine yourselves .

 

[Jim B]

Allow the flea to speak .
I have some questions for Everyone on the site .
1. How come when i read the gospels , JESUS own words , the apostels , the acts of the apostles , even revelation ,
Did it seem they all seemed to preach the DIRE NEED to BELIEVE ON CHRIST , yet today they dont .
2. How come when i read the same , i saw their dire warnings about sin
yet today many try and down play sin and error .
3. How come they all continually reminded about the need to continue in CHRIST
yet today its not preached .
SOMETHING has went wrong .

These are just judgmental generalities.

1) Who doesn't "believe on Christ"?
2) Who are "the many" who "try and down play sin and error"?
3) Who are "they" and where do you observe its [sic] not preached?

What specifically has "went" wrong in your opinion??? FACTS PLEASE!!! Not your usual sweeping condemnation of everyone but yourself.

 

[Jim B]

Examine yourselves .

Examine yourself!

 

[amigo de christo]

Examine yourself!

Yes indeed i must . but when we examine ourselves we better make sure
its the biblical Christ , apostels letters , truth in scripture we are examining ourselves against .
NOT what the social gospel tries to say the gospel is . BUT WHAT THE BIBLE says IT IS .
You test yourself against what progressive men have said the gospel is
I test myself against what the BIBLE says it is . Dont let men and the flesh lead you astray .
BIBLE TIME .

 

[amigo de christo]

These are just judgmental generalities.

1) Who doesn't "believe on Christ"?
2) Who are "the many" who "try and down play sin and error"?
3) Who are "they" and where do you observe its [sic] not preached?

What specifically has "went" wrong in your opinion??? FACTS PLEASE!!! Not your usual sweeping condemnation of everyone but yourself.

Those who would say there is no need to believe on him , confess him by mouth and believe that GOD rose him from the dead .
Do not believe on HIM . Those , like oprah wimphrey who even confess his name and yet says things like
buddist , muslims , atheiest and all people are coming to GOD their own way .
Number two . Those who support the sins of any . Those who say or imply other religions know Christ even if they follow this other jesus of thier own religion or no jesus . When folks wont correct error .
As far as who are the they , my friend there are so many i dont think the books of the world could contain all their names .
And they aint just those of the false religoins , there are many within christendom that believe not in the TRUE BIBLICAL CHRIST
but rather another jesus men preached and sold them .

 

[amigo de christo]

These are just judgmental generalities.

1) Who doesn't "believe on Christ"?
2) Who are "the many" who "try and down play sin and error"?
3) Who are "they" and where do you observe its [sic] not preached?

What specifically has "went" wrong in your opinion??? FACTS PLEASE!!! Not your usual sweeping condemnation of everyone but yourself.

now if you dont mind , do you mind anwering the questions i left .

 

[Jim B]

Yes indeed i must . but when we examine ourselves we better make sure
its the biblical Christ , apostels letters , truth in scripture we are examining ourselves against .
NOT what the social gospel tries to say the gospel is . BUT WHAT THE BIBLE says IT IS .
You test yourself against what progressive men have said the gospel is
I test myself against what the BIBLE says it is . Dont let men and the flesh lead you astray .
BIBLE TIME .

You are delusional!

God loves the world, but you clearly do not. You see yourself (falsely) as being righteous and everyone else as sinners.

Your "social gospel" rant is getting tiresome. God loves the world He created -- He saw that it was GOOD! Clearly you disagree with Him.

Again, "For God so loved the world..." You do not, so you don't agree with God.

 

[Jim B]

Those who would say there is no need to believe on him , confess him by mouth and believe that GOD rose him from the dead .
Do not believe on HIM . Those , like oprah wimphrey who even confess his name and yet says things like
buddist , muslims , atheiest and all people are coming to GOD their own way .
Number two . Those who support the sins of any . Those who say or imply other religions know Christ even if they follow this other jesus of thier own religion or no jesus . When folks wont correct error .
As far as who are the they , my friend there are so many i dont think the books of the world could contain all their names .
And they aint just those of the false religoins , there are many within christendom that believe not in the TRUE BIBLICAL CHRIST
but rather another jesus men preached and sold them .

Once again, you are condemning those whom God has accepted as His own children. YOU WILL HAVE TO ANSWER TO GOD FOR YOUR EVIL JUDGING OF HIS CHILDREN!

 

[Jim B]

now if you dont mind , do you mind anwering the questions i left .

How about your answering my questions?

1) Who doesn't "believe on Christ"?
2) Who are "the many" who "try and down play sin and error"?
3) Who are "they" and where do you observe its [sic] not preached?

 

[amigo de christo]

How about your answering my questions?

1) Who doesn't "believe on Christ"?
2) Who are "the many" who "try and down play sin and error"?
3) Who are "they" and where do you observe its [sic] not preached?

I already answered it jim . go back and read it again .

 

[amigo de christo]

Once again, you are condemning those whom God has accepted as His own children. YOU WILL HAVE TO ANSWER TO GOD FOR YOUR EVIL JUDGING OF HIS CHILDREN!

If even the jews who believe not on Christ are not counted as the children o GOD . what on earth makes ya think a false religoin
like the muslim one are counted as children o GOD .
Better read what paul , WHO WAS A JEW had to say about this . Read what JESUS himself told even the unbelieving jews .
The FLESH profits nothing jim . The muslim religion is false , it is a lie , just as are all other religions .

 

[amigo de christo]

You are delusional!

God loves the world, but you clearly do not. You see yourself (falsely) as being righteous and everyone else as sinners.

Your "social gospel" rant is getting tiresome. God loves the world He created -- He saw that it was GOOD! Clearly you disagree with Him.

Again, "For God so loved the world..." You do not, so you don't agree with God.

No , its i who do love them . its why i wont let a muslim or atheist , buddist or any other religion THINK its path is fine .
NOPE . they all gotta repent and believe on CHRIST .

 

[Jim B]

I already answered it jim . go back and read it again .

No thanks. I don't want to read your false opinions again.