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Jim B

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If even the jews who believe not on Christ are not counted as the children o GOD . what on earth makes ya think a false religoin
like the muslim one are counted as children o GOD .
Better read what paul , WHO WAS A JEW had to say about this . Read what JESUS himself told even the unbelieving jews .
The FLESH profits nothing jim . The muslim religion is false , it is a lie , just as are all other religions .
LOL!!! Total, judgmental blabber.

Matthew 7:1-3, “Do not judge, so that you may not be judged. For the judgment you give will be the judgment you get, and the measure you give will be the measure you get. Why do you see the speck in your neighbor’s eye but do not notice the log in your own eye?"
 

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No , its i who do love them . its why i wont let a muslim or atheist , buddist or any other religion THINK its path is fine .
NOPE . they all gotta repent and believe on CHRIST .
Matthew 7:1-3, “Do not judge, so that you may not be judged. For the judgment you give will be the judgment you get, and the measure you give will be the measure you get. Why do you see the speck in your neighbor’s eye but do not notice the log in your own eye?"
 

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And once again, DISCERNING AND CORRECTING IS NOT JUDGING.
Sophistry. One must judge others to correct them.

Matthew 7:1-3, “Do not judge, so that you may not be judged. For the judgment you give will be the judgment you get, and the measure you give will be the measure you get. Why do you see the speck in your neighbor’s eye but do not notice the log in your own eye?"
 

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And once again, DISCERNING AND CORRECTING IS NOT JUDGING.
Why is it when I discern and correct you you take offense? Is that not the outer man of the flesh puffed up by vain religion seeing himself (herself) as being too lofty for such treatment?

And I do read many of your posts...and they have that smell of death to them.

And you dissimulate about believing in the higher walk. You are afraid to come clean to the crows about this if you do...and you allow me to be ridiculed for it. A Judas perhaps?

If you had ANY faith and courage from the inner man you would want others to NOT be condemned for their unbelief. But you prefer the shallow praise of men to the praise of God.

I am ranted against because I speak the truth. You are accepted by evil ones because you are actually one of them...no matter what you say to the contrary.

I am hated for the cross...the cross that crucifies the self life... which you resist and agree when that is seen as demonic or "New Age".

How can you be more exposed than that?

Repent and be willing to suffer for the truth...God is watching.
 
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Why is it when I discern and correct you you take offense? Is that not the outer man of the flesh puffed up by vain religion seeing himself (herself) as being too lofty for such treatment?

And I do read many of your posts...and they have that smell of death to them.

And you dissimulate about believing in the higher walk. You are afraid to come clean to the crows about this if you do...and you allow me to be ridiculed for it. A Judas perhaps?

If you had ANY faith and courage from the inner man you would want others to NOT be condemned for their unbelief. But you prefer the shallow praise of men to the praise of God.

I am ranted against because I speak the truth. You are accepted by evil ones because you are actually one of them...no matter what you say to the contrary.

I am hated for the cross...the cross that crucifies the self life... which you resist and agree when that is seen as demonic or "New Age".

How can you be more exposed than that?

Repent and be willing to suffer for the truth...God is watching.
"I am ranted against because I speak the truth". Are you really that delusional?
 

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"I am ranted against because I speak the truth". Are you really that delusional?
Are you really that naive and ill-informed? Maybe you are not spiritual, but just a down-to -Earth practical person that can discern unrighteousness in the people here who grandstand with a holier-than-thou attitude in judgment of others.

And that is a good basis.

But take things further than that and you are obviously out of your league.

Notice that I support your discernment when it comes to the overload of carnal bufoonery here...but you are still not ready to handle the truth...the kind that sets sinners free and brings glory to God.

if you don't acknowledge your own limitations in that regard...how can you then judge others??

As long as you stay in your lane...you will see things in a right way. But outside of that you will venture into unbelief and judgment. Since you don't read my posts, why would you care to even try speaking to me about the truth I teach??
 

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How do you see taking the land little by little after the second benefit? And Achan's disobedience?

Much love!
My thought on this is that absolutely everything is new (after the second benefit or being in the promised land) so it would be a step by step walking by faith (not by sight) (never been here before---this is so amazing and miraculous that I don't want to mess this up kind of mentality...the outer man staying in place on the cross) so as not to fall out of line with God/fall out of grace/fall from the keeping power of God by the Spirit by sinning. Achan sinned and the penalty was death because he was in the promised land which for me represents God's holiness.

my 2 cents worth...(I'm catching up on the threads)
 

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Folks, this is very simple. Out of the 12 spies that were sent into Canaan land only 2 had a good report. The others were scared.

When the 2..Joshua and Caleb, gave a good report...they were hated, shouted down, some even wanted to kill them.

Any preaching of the cross and the higher walk will ALWAYS draw the same venom.

Why?

The preservation of the flesh. And people will do this without giving it a second thought...it's a built-in mechanism of the flesh.

So then when someone testifies of the higher walk, the second blessing, the perfect love, the walk in Zion...that person will be seen as a liar, delusional, demonic, a New Ager, a mystic....or whatever term one invents to disparage the truth.

Those who do this are as far as East is from West in believing that with God ALL things are possible...let alone "I can do ALL things through Christ who strengthens me."

The fact is, people have little to no experience with what the New Testament testifies of. And that realization gets the flesh in a snit. The flesh then doubles down and lashes out against anything that makes the person seem less that their self-conceit has led them to think. "Like a fish caught on dry land struggling to avoid any helping hand."

There is always a better way...love, kindness, openness, fear of the Lord, humility....leading to repentance and eternal life...in experience (and not just in theory).

How hard it is to evangelize an evangelical...maybe it's easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle...
 

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Matthew 7:1-3, “Do not judge, so that you may not be judged. For the judgment you give will be the judgment you get, and the measure you give will be the measure you get. Why do you see the speck in your neighbor’s eye but do not notice the log in your own eye?"
Yeah , so dont judge me cause i wont give out false hope . I point to Christ , i remind folks about the dire need to believe on him .
YOU do realize WHY many apostels died and many others through all ages . THEY knew the dire necessity
of preaching CHRIST to a lost world . And many of them even died for doing it jim .
But the social all inclusive lie is a direct slap n the face to the true men who died , KNOWING
the dire need for the lost to believe on Christ . Worse its an out right blasphemous lie
against GOD and HIS CHRIST . Muslims , buddist , athiest and whateverists NEED to hear the one true gospel .
What they dont need is to buy the all inclusive social gospel LIE which wont save them
and WOE to those who preached it . Woe , i say , to those who for world peace TROD JESUS UNDER FOOT .
Saw the dire need to believe on HIM as an obstacle in their way for world peace n safety .
Paul suffered quite a bit doing all he could by grace to point everything that breathes to FAITH IN CHRIST
you and the overseer known as EPI , yalls religoin saves none . Better return to the original life saving gospel
and preach THAT ONE .
 

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Sophistry. One must judge others to correct them.

Matthew 7:1-3, “Do not judge, so that you may not be judged. For the judgment you give will be the judgment you get, and the measure you give will be the measure you get. Why do you see the speck in your neighbor’s eye but do not notice the log in your own eye?"
No, not judging in the sense of condemning, but judging in the sense of discerning and applying what is needed for the situation. Are you familiar with the verse that says we are to judge those inside the church, but not those outside. Not condemn but discern and act or speak accordingly.
 

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Why is it when I discern and correct you you take offense? Is that not the outer man of the flesh puffed up by vain religion seeing himself (herself) as being too lofty for such treatment?

And I do read many of your posts...and they have that smell of death to them.

And you dissimulate about believing in the higher walk. You are afraid to come clean to the crows about this if you do...and you allow me to be ridiculed for it. A Judas perhaps?

If you had ANY faith and courage from the inner man you would want others to NOT be condemned for their unbelief. But you prefer the shallow praise of men to the praise of God.

I am ranted against because I speak the truth. You are accepted by evil ones because you are actually one of them...no matter what you say to the contrary.

I am hated for the cross...the cross that crucifies the self life... which you resist and agree when that is seen as demonic or "New Age".

How can you be more exposed than that?

Repent and be willing to suffer for the truth...God is watching.
It's too bad, I was hoping that discussion on this thread could avoid all this toxicity. We were doing fine here until today. I really wish we could stick specifically to this topic of what is being called a "second blessing" and declare a cease-fire from ad hominem comments.
 

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It's too bad, I was hoping that discussion on this thread could avoid all this toxicity. We were doing fine here until today. I really wish we could stick specifically to this topic of what is being called a "second blessing" and declare a cease-fire from ad hominem comments.
The Salvation army...and others... called the baptism in the Spirit and the elevated walk that followed, "the second blessing." Holiness movements have come and gone and each had their own terminology.

I try to keep to biblical terminology. I don't see holiness as a movement...but as something we all have a continuing access to through faith in Christ. My own testimony is to a heavenly walk in Zion....in an eternal light. This is not a brief vision but a sustained walk...by the keeping power of God. I call it the higher walk...as it is based on the high calling of walking IN Christ where He is.

Christ is the vehicle in that walk...that takes us to dwell with the Father through the Spirit. This sounds like nonsense unless one experiences that constant supernatural light...with the love, and peace that is not of this world.

That is the walk that one experiences when abiding (remaining) in Him.

The problem I see is not so much that very few will walk in that...that's a given...it's all the phoniness of people who claim to be doing what they are clearly not doing. And all the unbelief to any testimony to the truth of the New Covenant walk.

The bible is NOT a religious book...to be believed in with human beliefs...like a worldly religion. It is meant, rather, to be lived...to be experienced...so that there is a living testimony to the truth in the world.

The saints overcome the world through the resurrection life of Jesus (the blood of the Lamb) and the word of their testimony (not how they came to the Lord but a living testimony of what they are living). And the saints have given over their lives sacrificially to be lived in by God.

Rev. 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.


Rev. 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Without the grace to walk as Jesus walked there can be no fulfilling the commandments of God...at least not the way God intends.
 

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What exactly do you mean by dead to sin? That I don't sin anymore? That's how I understand "dead to sin". When something is dead, there is no life in it. In which case, in all honesty, I don't try to sin, my heart is not to sin, but I certainly wouldn't/can't say that I don't sin. I would categorize myself in Romans 7 somewhere between verses 17 and 24. My hearts cry to is be in Romans 8 in spirit and in truth. I've been roaming around in the wilderness for over 40 years for which I am ashamed since I've seen God's hand in many, many wonderous, miraculous acts. I choose to believe men like Joshua and Caleb who testified that the promised land was inhabitable in our lifetime (as in you don't wait until you're dead to be there---something I was taught as a child). As I continue to read "Heart Talks on Holiness", Brengle, the author, testifies that he's been living for 15 years in something he calls "the second blessing". I also see @Episkopos as a "modern day spy" who testifies of this promised land, which he calls "the higher walk", which I believe Paul calls the high calling of God (Phil. 3:14).

I truly believe that there is more to the Christian walk than is being portrayed in our time. As in, compare the influence of the early church on society to the influence all our many denominational churches have on our society. I feel we are quickly approaching the time of Sodom and Gomorrah. That being said, I can only take responsibility for my part, which is like one of the 10 lepers (up until now I've been one of the nine) who goes back to Jesus after being initially healed and cry out to him with praise and thanksgiving (enter into His gates with praise and thanksgiving) confessing my complacency and assurances and by faith believe that He has more for me (and others, but I'm dealing with me) then I could know and imagine and with faith believe Him and His promises and wait on Him. (Those that wait upon the Lord.... Is. 40:31).

What do you mean by alive to God? For me, I would answer, "not as much as I would like to be/not as much as He created me to be".

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Reading this again. Brengle lasted 15 years in the higher walk...he is a wiser man than me. Maybe the fact that there was a supportive "movement" at that time towards holiness was a major factor.
 

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Why is it when I discern and correct you you take offense? Is that not the outer man of the flesh puffed up by vain religion seeing himself (herself) as being too lofty for such treatment?

And I do read many of your posts...and they have that smell of death to them.

And you dissimulate about believing in the higher walk. You are afraid to come clean to the crows about this if you do...and you allow me to be ridiculed for it. A Judas perhaps?

If you had ANY faith and courage from the inner man you would want others to NOT be condemned for their unbelief. But you prefer the shallow praise of men to the praise of God.

I am ranted against because I speak the truth. You are accepted by evil ones because you are actually one of them...no matter what you say to the contrary.

I am hated for the cross...the cross that crucifies the self life... which you resist and agree when that is seen as demonic or "New Age".

How can you be more exposed than that?

Repent and be willing to suffer for the truth...God is watching.
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Taken from The Distinctive Ideas of the Old Testament
By N.H. Snaith

The chief and proper Hebrew word for ‘holiness’ is qodesh. This is the most intimately divine word of all. It has to do, as we shall see, with the very nature of deity; no word more so, nor indeed any other as much.

The word qodesh had a long and involved history, all the more difficult to detail because already in its earliest known stage it has come to be used exclusively in a religious context. Actually the etymological origin of the word it uncertain. So the ultimate decision must always depend upon a thorough examination of the actual use of the word itself at all stages of its development.

Something of the primary significance of the word qodesh may be gleaned from a comparison of the three Hebrew words which have to do with those things and affairs in which God and man are involved together, that borderland where the human and the supra-human may be said to overlap. These three words are qodesh (holiness), cherem (ban, devoted things, destruction), and chol (profaneness, common).

The original root goes back even farther than the noun, and doubtless the beginning of the notion goes back still farther yet. Presumably the noun qodesh was derived in the first place from a Semitic root which contained the three consonants q-d-sh.

The Etymological origin of ‘Qodesh’ and its earliest meaning:

There are two possibilities, though the choice between them has largely depended, so far as we are able to judge, upon a priori considerations as to the development of religion in general. One possibility is to find in the explanation of the Babylonian quddushu, which the syllabaries says is equivalent to ellu (bright, clear). This explanation is found in Gesenius, and is followed by Zimmern, Dillmann, Cheyne, K. Kohler, and others. The other possibility is the explanation offered by von Baudissin, when he said that ‘a comparison with ch-d-sh makes it natural to conjecture that q-d-sh means from the first "to be separated"’…

von Baudissin suggestion is that the root originally meant ‘separation’, and as much as it is clear that it deals with the things that belong to the gods as distinct from men. In a statement, however, that the root q-d-sh signifies ‘separation from, withdrawal’ needs considerable qualification, especially when it is maintained that this is supported by Old Testament usage. It is true that the root stands for the difference between God and man, but it refers positively, and not negatively, to that ‘Wholly Other’ of whom Rudolf Otto writes. (The Idea of Holy from the ninth German edition of Das Heilige, first published in 1917),pp. 6.

It refers positively to what is God's and not negatively to what is not man's. God is separate and distinct because he is God. He is not separated from this, that, or the other because of any of his attributes or qualities or the like. A person or a thing may be separate, or may come to be separated, because he or it has come to belong to God. When we used the word ‘separated’ as the rendering of any form of the root q-d-sh, we should think of ‘separated to’ rather than of ‘separated from.

The verb in its causative form hiqdish means ‘make separate’ rather than ‘be separate’, but this is a derived form of the verb. We therefore insists, as of prime importance, at the root is positive rather than negative, that the emphasis is on the destination of the object and not on its initial character-all of which goes back to the fact that, in respect to the root q-d-sh, we must think of God first and a man and things second, and not vice versa. This is not denying that the Hebrew hiqdish can never mean ‘to separate, withdrawal from common (i.e. human) use’, but it is to say that such meanings belong to the periphery of the word and not to its central core.

The word qodesh originally had no moral content in our developed sense of the word ‘moral’, but it did involve pre-ethical restrictions.

The God of the Hebrews was essentially active in the world which He had made. We regarded it to be of the utmost importance that this fact should be recognized throughout the whole of the Old Testament theology. He was no static God in the sense of the philosophers. He was never thought of by the Hebrews as apart from the world, away in splendid isolation. Any such idea among the Hebrews with the development of very much later times, and belongs to the period when the Jews had been influenced by the speculations of the Greeks.

On the contrary, Jehovah is always active, always dynamically here, in this world. The Hebrew does not say Jehovah is, or that Jehovah exists, but that he does. Properly speaking, the Hebrew word hayah is not mean ‘to be’, so much as ‘to come to be’. Hebrew has no real verb of ‘being’, but one of ‘becoming’. The verb is active and not static. This attitude is most strongly marked in the Hebrew idea of God. Jehovah is known by what He does in the world. The whole of the religion is therefore concerned with the relationship of God and man. It is not, however, the relationship which is Holiness, but the God who is known only in the relationship.

The positive content of the word qodesh is clear. It is therefore not enough to say that the word stands for a relation, nor even to say that it stands for the separation between God and man. It comes to stand for the positive activity of that Personal Other, whom the Hebrews recognized as Jehovah.

Qodesh never meant anything else among the Hebrews. It meant precisely that which at any period was recognized to be the inner Nature of Deity. What is without parallel, is the new content which the eighth century prophets gave to the word. This they did because they had a conception of Deity which was without parallel.

There are two other observations which must be made prior to a proper examination of the teaching of the eighth century prophet in respect of Holiness and Righteousness.

Firstly, when we say they gave a new content to the idea of holiness by their association of it with the idea of righteousness, we do definitely mean that it was a new content. We go so far as to say that it was a distinctive content. Particularly, we mean that it was distinctive in origin, in emphasis, and, finally, in content, from those moral ideas which we have received from the Greeks. We say this because of the common tendency to equate the moral teachings of the Hebrew prophets with the ethical speculations of the Greeks. This we hold to be definitely an error, and to show a complete misunderstanding of the function and message of these prophets. It should be also pointed out that, even if the ethical teachings were identical, Amos proceeded Socrates by some three centuries or so, and Aristotle by rather more than four.

Secondly, it should be argued that the prophets were aware of the true nature of deity against primitive and immature notions, or as against the erroneous idea of the heathen, and we agree, through tentatively.

The actual word qodesh (holiness), qadosh (holy), etc., are rare in the eighth century prophets apart from Isaiah of Jerusalem. Amos and Hosea use the root only in its earlier sense of that which belongs to God alone is God’s, while Micah does not use the word at all. In the two cases of Amo's are ‘my holy Name’ ii, 7, and ‘hath sworn by His Holiness’, iv, 2. The one case in Hosea is xi. 9: ‘for I am God and not man; the Holy One in the midst of thee’.

All four prophets combined into a solid unanimity in repeatedly reiterating the fact that Jehovah by His very Nature demands right conduct from His worshipers and will be content with nothing less…

The fact that the prophets based their conception of righteousness upon their knowledge of God, and not upon an ethical code is further to be seen in their attitude to sin. How, then, did the eighth century prophets think of sin? The word ‘sin’ can be used either in an ethical sense of transgression a moral code, or as a religious term in a sense of rebellion against God, and so being alien to Him. From this latter point of view, sin is ‘theofugal’; it leads away from God. The eighth century prophets thought of sin in this way. Primarily, it was rebellion against God. If the prophets had been in the first place teachers of ethics, they would have spoken against sin as a transgression against a code. A man need not be religious in order to speak in this way. On the other hand, no man can talk about sin as being rebellion against God unless he is religious. Such a man realizes that religion is primarily a matter of relationship with God, and secondarily is a matter of ethics.

When the eighth century prophets realize that Righteousness is of the very Nature of Jehovah, Holiness came to include Righteousness as the main element of its content… While Holiness stands for the difference between God and man, yet it never involved an ‘away-ness’ from man…

God truly is a different category from man. He is different, separate, but He is assuredly always near. Righteousness is the visible effect of this nearness of God in the affairs of this world. It is because Righteousness involves Salvation because of its connection, it is a travesty to think of anyone without the other. If first-Isaiah brought the word Holiness into the vocabulary of ethics, then second-Isaiah brought it right into the vocabulary of Salvation.

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We first see of Gods Holiness with Moses…


Exo 3:1 Now Moses was shepherding the flock of his father-in-law Jethro, the priest of Midian, and he led the flock to the far side of the desert and came to the mountain of God, to Horeb.

Exo 3:2 The angel of the LORD appeared to him in a flame of fire from within a bush. He looked — and the bush was ablaze with fire, but it was not being consumed!

Exo 3:3 So Moses thought, "I will turn aside to see this amazing sight. Why does the bush not burn up?"

Exo 3:4 When the LORD saw that he had turned aside to look, God called to him from within the bush and said, "Moses, Moses!" And Moses said, "Here I am."

Exo 3:5 God said, "Do not approach any closer! Take your sandals off your feet, for the place where you are standing is holy ground."

Exo 3:6 He added, "I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob." Then Moses hid his face, because he was afraid to look at God.

The need to become ritually pure to be in the presents of GOD as in the Holy’s of Holy’s in the Temple. Ritually pure is a state to separate yourself from anything related to death. Like touching diseased skin or dead bodies, even bodily fluids (Women). Being ritually impure is not sin full in as of it self, but what’s wrong is walking into Gods presents in an impure state. The Book of Leviticus was given to Israel as instructions of when they were impure and steps to become pure so they could go into the Temple. This idea continues with Isaiah.

Isa 6:1 In the year of King Uzziah's death I saw the Lord sitting on a throne, lofty and exalted, with the train of His robe filling the temple.

Isa 6:2 Seraphim stood above Him, each having six wings: with two he covered his face, and with two he covered his feet, and with two he flew.

Isa 6:3 And one called out to another and said, "Holy, Holy, Holy, is the LORD of hosts, The whole earth is full of His glory."

Isa 6:4 And the foundations of the thresholds trembled at the voice of him who called out, while the temple was filling with smoke.

Isa 6:5 Then I said, "Woe is me, for I am ruined! Because I am a man of unclean lips, And I live among a people of unclean lips; For my eyes have seen the King, the LORD of hosts."

Isa 6:6 Then one of the seraphim flew to me with a burning coal in his hand, which he had taken from the altar with tongs.

Isa 6:7 He touched my mouth with it and said, "Behold, this has touched your lips; and your iniquity is taken away and your sin is forgiven."


This burning coal somehow makes Isaiah pure.

It you touch something impure it transfers it’s impurity to you, now we have this coal, this holy and pure object, and it transfers it’s purity to him! Isaiah is not destroyed by God’s Holiness but he’s transformed by it. The implications of this is huge.

Let’s look at one more development

Eze 47:1 Then he brought me back to the door of the house; and behold, water was flowing from under the threshold of the house toward the east, for the house faced east. And the water was flowing down from under, from the right side of the house, from south of the altar.

Eze 47:2 He brought me out by way of the north gate and led me around on the outside to the outer gate by way of the gate that faces east. And behold, water was trickling from the south side.

Eze 47:3 When the man went out toward the east with a line in his hand, he measured a thousand cubits, and he led me through the water, water reaching the ankles.

Eze 47:4 Again he measured a thousand and led me through the water, water reaching the knees. Again he measured a thousand and led me through the water, water reaching the loins.

Eze 47:5 Again he measured a thousand; and it was a river that I could not ford, for the water had risen, enough water to swim in, a river that could not be forded.

Eze 47:6 He said to me, "Son of man, have you seen this?" Then he brought me back to the bank of the river.

Eze 47:7 Now when I had returned, behold, on the bank of the river there were very many trees on the one side and on the other.

Eze 47:8 Then he said to me, "These waters go out toward the eastern region and go down into the Arabah; then they go toward the sea, being made to flow into the sea, and the waters of the sea become fresh.

Eze 47:9 "It will come about that every living creature which swarms in every place where the river goes, will live. And there will be very many fish, for these waters go there and the others become fresh; so everything will live where the river goes.

Eze 47:10 "And it will come about that fishermen will stand beside it; from Engedi to Eneglaim there will be a place for the spreading of nets. Their fish will be according to their kinds, like the fish of the Great Sea, very many.


Here we have Ezekiel, He’s standing at the temple, and he sees water trickling out, then that water turns into a stream, then a deep river flowing through the desert leaving a trail of green trees as it flows into the dead sea making everything fresh and alive.

Notice, this time instead of becoming pure first and going into the temple, here we have God’s holiness coming out of the temple making things pure and bring forth life so what does it mean? We don’t know until we meet Jesus.

Jesus claimed he is fulfilling all these visions but in surprising new ways. Jesus went around touching people who are impure. People with skin deseases, a woman with chronic bleeding and even dead people. When He touches them, their impurity should have transferred over to Jesus, but instead… Jesus’ purity transfers over to them and heals their bodies.

Jesus is like that Holy coal in Isaiah’s vision. Jesus claimed he was the human embodiment of God’s own Holiness. He claimed He and his followers are now God’s own Temple and through them God’s holy presents would go out into the world and bring life and healing and hope. This is why Jesus described his followers as having streams of living water flowing out of them

Mat 9:2 And they brought to Him a paralytic lying on a bed. Seeing their faith, Jesus said to the paralytic, "Take courage, son; your sins are forgiven."

Luk 5:20 Seeing their faith, He said, "Friend, your sins are forgiven you."

Joh 20:21 So Jesus said to them again, "Peace be with you; as the Father has sent Me, I also send you."

Joh 20:22 And when He had said this, He breathed on them and *said to them, "Receive the Holy Spirit.

Joh 20:23 "If you forgive the sins of any, their sins have been forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they have been retained."

In revelations we see a final vision about God’s Holiness; we see the whole world made completely new. The entire earth has become God’s Temple and Ezekiel’s river is there flowing out of God’s presents immersing all creation and removing all impurity and bring everything back to life.

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That's why we need to put on Christ...and HIS perfection.


I think you are the liar. You deny the power of the cross and the power of grace. Why do that? What is your agenda?


Not so. You maybe need a flesh vacation. But you are in no way an example or in any position to teach others.

The balance is not...some time in the Spirit...oops...some time in the flesh...then rinse and repeat. That is YOUR testimony. And...that time you think is in the Spirit??? It's not. It's just you being not distracted by the eyes you are living by.

Being IN the Spirit gives you spiritual faculties that see past the temporal things of this world. The world goes out of focus when one is covered with the anointing of righteousness from God. Only those who have walked in Zion knows what I'm talking about.
You have never walked in The Spirit John. Your fruit is an abomination before The Lord. What you have done to the least of this little ones you have done unto Him. I waited to see if any one would like your evil words. I am thankful they did not.
 
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You have never walked in The Spirit John. Your fruit is an abomination before The Lord. What you have done to the least of this little ones you have done unto Him. I waited to see if any one would like your evil words. I am thankful they did not.
The opposite is true...and you reveal yourself as someone who is looking for approval from men. The truth stands whether people receive it or not. You are a false prophet that has no discernment at all. Having NOT experienced the deeper walk or anything eternal...makes you unqualified to judge those who have. I discern the pettiness of a wounded pride in your response.

Judge not lest you be judged. (I write this to others as I know your own motivation.)
 
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